ziv2002 Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 the Forengn ministers of Italy,Austria and Spain asked Fifa and UEFA to give Israel thare home back,as you know,Israel national team and Israeli clubs cant host thare hame games at Israel becouse of the arabs terror, the Forengn ministers of Italy said: "its not fair that the Israeli fans cant go to thare own national team games,and we didn't atrt talking about the money the clubs are loosing becouse hosting at other countrys" Italy prime minister said he wants to said he's team (AC Milan) for a friendly ame at Israel! I really hope that they well bring the games back, its a very long time since the last game i went of Israel... Israel are on their way to... Euro 2004!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachesl Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 ziv, if you are going to post on a Canadian site you have to appreciate Canadian (and International) sensibilities. There are a LOT of people of Arab background in Canada, and a lot of people from Arab countries here and elsewhere reading this. We just don't say things like that here. Yes, that may be a big paradigm shift for you, but you should start now. A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. -- Winston Churchill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 I wouldn't count on it, ziv2002. If the Italian foreighn minister is on your side that's help you could do without. Thinking your supporters well have to continue to fly to Cyprus for the "home" dates. But don't feel too bad about it though. You should see the miles we'd have to put on to watch Canada play. Ug. "Minority of one" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziv2002 Posted July 13, 2003 Author Share Posted July 13, 2003 quote:Originally posted by beachesl ziv, if you are going to post on a Canadian site you have to appreciate Canadian (and International) sensibilities. There are a LOT of people of Arab background in Canada, and a lot of people from Arab countries here and elsewhere reading this. We just don't say things like that here. Yes, that may be a big paradigm shift for you, but you should start now. A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. -- Winston Churchill beachesl im sorry but I didn't understand exakly what did I do wrong? can you mabey quote the bad sentence I saied? Israel are on their way to... Euro 2004!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziv2002 Posted July 13, 2003 Author Share Posted July 13, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Cheeta I wouldn't count on it, ziv2002. If the Italian foreighn minister is on your side that's help you could do without. Thinking your supporters well have to continue to fly to Cyprus for the "home" dates. But don't feel too bad about it though. You should see the miles we'd have to put on to watch Canada play. Ug. "Minority of one" Cheeta,i know that you need to go alot of way Canada play,but it hurts more if you know that you could see your team a hour driveing away,and you still need to fly becouse of stuped UEFA... Israel are on their way to... Euro 2004!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachesl Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 ziv, it was the use of the word "terrorist" with the word "arab". I know that it is a mindset you may not understand, but we don't approve of associating any national, ethic, racial or religious group with a negative term. Better just to use the word "problems", we know what they are. We just want to bend over backwards to avoid Canada, even in netland, from being a place where religious, political or ethnic disputes are fought. We are proud that Serbs and Croats, Jews and Arabs, Sikhs and Hindus, or whatever, are safe in Canada and that their children are not threatened by the baggage of whatever else is happening in the world, and anything that threatens that peace, no matter how right one side may be on the issues, is. If you say "arab terrorist" here, no matter in what context, your child may inadvertently use that in his classroom, and the Arab friend that sits beside him will be targeted. Try to use a mental filter to go over what you have written, and change it if there is ANY doubt. If you are going to come to Canada, best to start NOW, buddy. You may find that you will be blocked from using this, and other, websites if you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachesl Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 ziv, I really hope that Israel someday gets to play inernational country and club dates too. I agree with Cheeta that that is unlikely. UEFA and other groups are becoming more cautious, not less. For instance, Wales game in Serbia was cancelled because of a vague safety issue involving unrest caused by the assasination of it's President, and similiar problems occurred because of vague concerns about the English in Macedonia. Considering this, it is unfair to expect a change from UEFA where teams are threatened by even greater safety concerns in Israel, even if you have to live with them day to day. It is not a political issue. I'm sure the pronouncements of the foreign minister was really to promote goodwill in the area, and we all applaud that. A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. -- Winston Churchill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 "mental filter", yeah that's about right. Me, I have to use a "language filter". Had great practice over the years after the Cheeta cub came along. Really had to cut down on what I'll affectionately call "shop floor language" otherwise the ol' lady would smack me. Still get the occasionaly "pow" in the kisser. "Minority of one" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 quote:Originally posted by beachesl ziv, it was the use of the word "terrorist" with the word "arab". Excuse me but what else was he supposed to say? Islamic Terrorists Islamist Terrorists Palestinian Terrorists He did not say "all Arabs are terrorists". He said "these terrorists are arabs". Perhaps the distinction is difficult for some recent immigrants who are still learning English but there is no PC way to identify these people. Frankly if Arab Canadians are offended when someone speaks of Arab terrorists they need to redouble there efforts to fight criminal racist organizations like Hamas rather than getting worked up into a lather over semantics. Ted Fort Victoria Voyageurs http://www.victoriasoccer.net/fort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachesl Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 Let's not go there. My efforts were to solely give some hlepful ideas to my buddy ziv. I think I'll email him directly in future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 quote:Originally posted by beachesl Let's not go there. Yeah. I think we should leave this alone. It is hard to seperate footy and politics though. Don't think you ever well. "Minority of one" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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