morrison Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 Please please please tell me that whoever is opposed to this stadium is as staunchly opposed to monarchy in Canada. for less than the price of an adult fare in the TTC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 quote:Originally posted by morrison Please please please tell me that whoever is opposed to this stadium is as staunchly opposed to monarchy in Canada. for less than the price of an adult fare in the TTC. I'm pro stadium, and 100% against the monarchy in Canada, if that means anything to you at all. [] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 I'm not going through all the debates again, as promised, but I will answer your questions: quote:Originally posted by TOareaFan I challenge you to find where I said, or even hinted at that. In your post earlier in this thread you said this: "I think a smaller amount of money put into renovating/upgrading existing facilities would have created an acceptable, publicly owned and managed/controlled facility" If you don't believe that a publicly owned & managed facility would likely be more profitable, why advocate going that route? quote: I said that Lamport could be built out to +/20,000. Many others, including the Toronto Argonauts agreed. They didn't seem very sure of that agreement however, and they never actually moved there, and it was only meant to be temporary since it didn't suit their long-term needs. quote: I will buy you many drinks in celebration if you are....but I doubt it strongly and don't mind stating my opinion even if it is contrary to the cheerleading opinion of the majority on here. And nobody that I have seen has said that you can't state your opinion here. If I am right I think I would be the one buying you a drink, no? Because if I am wrong, or even if I am right but the potential is never fulfilled due to unexpectedly poor execution, let's face it, there will be nothing to celebrate. quote: Now you are making stuff up!!!! When have I ever said that we do not need to increase the level of pro soccer here? In fact I am a big proponent of us having our own league. When you stated that it would be okay to expand Lamport to 15,000, and that it would be sufficient for the WYC, just not for an MLS team. That comes across to me as saying we don't need an MLS team. And frankly I fail to see how we are going to legitimately improve the level of pro soccer in Toronto without the MLS. You mention a Canada-only league, but we must all realize by now that such a league, even at the A-league/USL level, hasn't been likely the moment the Albertan A-league teams died, if it ever was likely to happen. And I too was a big booster of a Canadian league....until the realities of the situation. With the MLS team the reality is that the potential for success is there - to suggest that there is no potential would be defeatist at best, and incorrect at worst. Its up to us to try to achieve that potential, and I have my doubts that taking the "It can't possibly happen" viewpoint is going to help up reach that potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOareaFan Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca I'm not going through all the debates again, as promised, but I will answer your questions: No need to debate all over again, as I suspected, we agree on more than we disagree on. quote:Originally posted by TOareaFan I challenge you to find where I said, or even hinted at that. In your post earlier in this thread you said this: "I think a smaller amount of money put into renovating/upgrading existing facilities would have created an acceptable, publicly owned and managed/controlled facility" If you don't believe that a publicly owned & managed facility would likely be more profitable, why advocate going that route? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 quote:Originally posted by TOareaFan Now who is the pessimist Just kidding. I don't know of any nation that has been successful in the game playing in somebody eleses league. Well you could argue we made the 1986 World Cup in this fashion. quote: It might, however, work in North America...I hope so. I would prefer a canadian owned, operated and played league with a Canadian champion declared. I will, however, be a Toronto MLS season ticket holder. See, we agree on most stuff....."kumbaya....." Well we have some differences of opinion - but that's fine, there would be no discussion board if everyone was of the exact same opinion. If you are planning to be a MLS season ticket holder feel free to come out to the next meeting of the supporters. Just don't bring up the subject of Lamport.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrison Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Massive Attack I'm pro stadium, and 100% against the monarchy in Canada, if that means anything to you at all. [] If this issue was strictly about money, then it'd be roughly the same thing. I wouldn't care if they built a cricket ground if it costs me a x-large tim's coffee or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOareaFan Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca Well we have some differences of opinion - but that's fine, there would be no discussion board if everyone was of the exact same opinion. If you are planning to be a MLS season ticket holder feel free to come out to the next meeting of the supporters. Just don't bring up the subject of Lamport.... I'll definitely be a subscriber.....just as I am to MLSE's other major league sports properties. Not really a supporters club sorta guy....mostly because my life/schedule is kinda ad hoc and I hate making commitments and then not meeting them. I have enough time in my life to work, collect my measly salary, head over to the nearest MLSE cash box...transfer my salary to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leekoo Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 one thing missing from lamport, downsview and the rest of them is something the EX has ... and that is ... the potential of a CASINO ... i think council has been wet dreaming about that for a long time ... montreal has one ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOareaFan Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 quote:Originally posted by leekoo one thing missing from lamport, downsview and the rest of them is something the EX has ... and that is ... the potential of a CASINO ... i think council has been wet dreaming about that for a long time ... montreal has one ... As has been pointed out here before (by others as well as me) is that the EX and Lamport are, essentially, in the same neighbourhood. So anything the EX has can be made easily accessible to Lamport. You are assuming, however, that a Toronto Casino (if any was approved) would be at the EX. The folks at Woodbine might have something to say about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealGooner Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 quote:Originally posted by TOareaFan As has been pointed out here before (by others as well as me) is that the EX and Lamport are, essentially, in the same neighbourhood. So anything the EX has can be made easily accessible to Lamport. You are assuming, however, that a Toronto Casino (if any was approved) would be at the EX. The folks at Woodbine might have something to say about that. Woodbine would definately put up a fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOareaFan Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 quote:Originally posted by RealGooner Woodbine would definately put up a fight. Yes, I believe the Woodbine Entertainment Group (I think that is what they call themselves today) have invested a lot of money up there on the premise that they are the only licensed gaming establishment in the GTA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrison Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 there was a temporary casino during the summer months (for at least the last 2 years) set up in the "better living" building directly to the west of where the stadium will be. If you visit the stadium building site, it will be painfully clear which building I am talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOareaFan Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 quote:Originally posted by morrison there was a temporary casino during the summer months (for at least the last 2 years) set up in the "better living" building directly to the west of where the stadium will be. If you visit the stadium building site, it will be painfully clear which building I am talking about. I believe there is a temporary charity casino each year during the EX. What people here are talking about is a permanent casino operation like they have in Windsor, Niagara and Rama. Quite different beasts. Woodbine has been positioning iteslf as the gaming centre of Toronto and have pushed the race track to as much "near casino" level as they can with their current licenses. They would fight any effort to license a casino in Toronto that overlooked them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrison Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 It is there even before the Ex, and it does fill up the parking lot area they allot. Coincidently, the area I'm speaking of seems to be where the south 1/3 or 1/2 of where the stadium will be. It (the stadium) should not affect the carnies as their trailers are a bit further east I think, but parking will be that much more attrocious. And I'd hope they avoid indie weekend. Caribana could be used as a useful promotion of some sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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