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  1. There might be some ways around this issue though. One thing I've been wondering about, in part because we already have the spring/fall league split, is a sort of half-pro/rel. Let's say there's 24 teams across the country, split into three regions of 8 (presumably west/central/east). Play a first half season where each region plays itself home-home, so you get 14 games each. If you finish near the top, you're "promoted" and put in a national league for the second half, to play for the championship. There's different options at that point admittedly, whether the 24 teams are split in two national leagues (which still reduces travel costs, only having national travel for half the year) or maybe only the top 2 in each region are promoted, leaving the bottom 6 to continue regional play. Either way, it could enhance regional rivalries, decrease travel costs, provide that hope of "promotion" and fear of "relegation", while also keeping teams competitive. So for instance, this point: would be mitigated. You might get destroyed by some stronger teams in the first half, but then you're hopefully facing more equal teams in the second half and can even sneak your way to a lesser title. I'm sure there are flaws with the idea, but it's something I've been mulling over and figured it'd be worth writing down ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  2. The tornadoes were later, around 6pm, and out in the East, but it's close enough in time and location to have reminded me that the weather wasn't great. When you say you were told the attendance was higher than expected, do you mean specifically because of the weather?
  3. So they're doing better on the field, but not off. June 2nd, 2018, vs Charlotte - attendance 5,693 June 2nd, 2019, vs Charlotte - attendance 3,589 There may be weather factors to take into account though, considering there was a Tornado in Orleans!
  4. I probably shouldn't give you the benefit of the doubt here, but I recognize I could be wrong, you might not be referring to Bunbury with the "bland things terminated with some monosyllabic high school French". Having said that, to someone who hasn't watched many announcement videos, it very much reads like you are, which seems rather contradictory with your claim to not be shitting on Bunbury.
  5. You jest, but it would seriously be awesome if the national team played a game in Iqaluit or something.
  6. I'm on board. Although I was already planning to buy a Valour or HFX kit and show up wearing that, just waiting to see who will be there.
  7. At this point Valour seems like the better team, so I'd say Valour. I just want to see the Fury get destroyed, but I'm expecting to be disappointed.
  8. I don't disagree, but at this point I have no real interest in supporting the Fury even if they move to CPL. I would probably get seasons tickets, but if they'd been part of the league from the start that "probably" would have been "definitely" (hell, the train to Hamilton, plus hotel, for my partner and I to see the CPL opener cost about what a single season ticket to the Fury would have cost me).
  9. Let's just say I am underwhelmed by the fact that they had ~15% lower attendance while giving out free tickets to mothers. There may, of course, be a difference between attendance on a saturday vs. a sunday, the day before mother's day vs actually mother's day, and various other factors. It's too bad we can't know how attendance would be if the game had been against, say, York 9 (the only CPL team to not play this past weekend) instead of Atlanta's farm team.
  10. Agreed, but figured since I generally spend all my time being critical of the Fury I needed to at least give them the benefit of the doubt once. Maybe flooding instead then. Though of course it also depends on if their attendance is 'tickets sold/given away' or 'tickets used'.
  11. 15% seems more than "slight", but sure. Worth noting the school game in 2017 was 7500 on June 20th (vs Orlando B), later than this year's May 8th and last year's May 2nd. Weather may have been a factor in the drop this year (from what I'm seeing, 2017 and 2018 would have been around +20, whereas this year, while bright, was more like +12). Be interesting to see what the attendance is tomorrow. Last year they had 4300 for Atlanta 2 on Sat, May 12 in what seems like similar weather (+16, mainly sunny. Tomorrow's forecast is +15, mix of sun and clouds). I don't know if they did the "mothers get in free" thing though.
  12. I signed up in time for the Forge-Pacific game on Wednesday, having procrastinated up until then. As an Ottawa resident who won't be able to make it to many games, it's great to have - if I manage to watch every CPL game, it works out to less than $1 per game. Even if I don't, it's still cheap and seems like decent quality? Admittedly I'm comparing that to my usual tactic of (probably illegal) streams. I don't disagree with Ted's point about having extra content, analysis, whatever, but it's obviously early days. It's hard to have tons of content to show when there are only 7 teams and have so far only been 8 games played.
  13. Sorry, are you claiming that the Fury would have more fans if the weather had been bad?
  14. So I'm about as pro-CPL / anti-Fury as they come right now (heck, I turned down free tickets to the game), but I will say that I believe the ~6500 number, mostly because that's about the same as every other year. 2018 was ~6100, 2017 was ~6500, 2016 was ~7000, and 2015 was ~5000 (2014 obviously was an exception, as it was their first pro season and the first half was at Carleton). Home openers are rarely representative of how a team's attendance will be. They could maintain the ~6500 average for the year, drop back to their ~4600 average of last year, or maybe even rise. We'll see how many people show up to see their opponents on the weekend from... Loudoun? Where the heck is Loudoun? It's a good thing the Fury stayed in USL so we could see them play such legendary teams as Loudoun... ?
  15. I think some people underestimate the potential of some smaller markets and do them a disservice in comparing to the States. Look at Halifax as an example - seems like it's doing great in terms of ticket sales and interest right? What other sports leagues are there in Halifax? The QMJHL, sure, but that's juniors and in the winter. There's the basketball team (also winter schedule, drawing ~2k per game with far more home games), and the lacrosse team (also winter schedule, and the team is new, first game in the fall). So when someone wants to go to a sporting event in the summer, what is there? The Nova Scotia Senior Baseball League? I'm sure that's a high level... Go even further, take a town of, say, 60k? How about Grand Prairie, Alberta. Highest level sports team? The Grande Prairie Storm of the Alberta Junior Hockey League. So you put a soccer team there, in the highest level in the country? People will support it, because it is *theirs*. They would proudly be able to say that they are in the same league as Edmonton and Calgary, they would be able to take delight in wins against the pricks from Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, and Ottawa. Now you compare with a smaller place in the US and you say it can't work here because it doesn't work there. But I'd argue there's a massive difference - we don't have college sports. I have never seen a single school in Canada get even half the absurd level of school spirit that they have in the States. So when it comes to sports teams competing for entertainment dollars, you have to take the college teams into account. I know that a place like Grand Prairie would struggle to support a team enough, because there's more to a league than just ticket revenue, but I don't see why we can't dream of building towards a larger league, maybe with some form of pro/rel to ensure that smaller towns do get a chance to prove themselves. Mostly the conversation here is about the potential for the Fury to be in the CPL but regardless, please find me any post of more than 5 pages that has managed to perfectly remain on topic? Also I'm curious as to why you care what arbitrary classification we apply to this completely irrelevant internet debate among a bunch of people with little to no secondhand (let alone firsthand) knowledge of what is actually going on?
  16. There is the other field at Carleton too. A bit of building in the way for one corner, but fewer trees and it's not used for handegg games. It's not quite as big a field overall, but I'm not sure by how much or whether that would matter. I should add, I'd be surprised by this too but are we not allowed to dream of the day when we have a national soccer pyramid that includes +3 pro or semi-pro teams inside Ottawa's greenbelt? ?
  17. Agree that there and these are valid concerns, but having attended Carleton and played on the field in a rec league, I sort of agree and disagree on the looking like **** thing. I mean, it does, but I'd argue it also has the space for a popup stadium just like Halifax. If that's an option elsewhere, it should be an option there too. I knew and said it back when the Fury joined USL, that it meant they were not likely to join CPL because three leagues in ~4 years was not something they'd want. I hate the argument about CPL failing though - sure, it could fail, but it would have been less likely to fail if it had 2 established teams instead of 1, a team in the capital, and no Canadian team holding out by staying in a mediocre American league. If the CPL fails without the Fury joining they will be a reason why. At this point my distaste for OSEG is strong enough that I would get season tickets to support the CPL but then cheer for the visitors every time.
  18. Oh ya? I found a "transit oriented development plan" from 2013 that talks about developing the bulk of the area into apartments and the like. They seem to maintain some of the existing green space (basically the stuff with trees, I think), but it also mentions that much of it is "vacant and part of former landfill areas", and that the land is mostly owned by the city or the NCC. Having said that, it is from late 2013, so you might be right as much can change in 5 years. http://ottwatch.ca/meetings/file/98755/File_TOD2_Plan_Revised_draft_Nov_27_13part2_pdf_Item_TRANSIT_ORIENTED_DEVELOPMENT_PLANS_OFFICIAL_PLAN_AMENDMENTS_AND_ZONING_BY_LAW_AMENDMENTS_FOR_LEES_HURDMAN_AND_BLAIR_TRANSIT_ORIENTED_DEVELOPMENT_STATION_AREAS_Meeting_Planning_Committee_Date_2013_12_10_09_30_00 It's funny, especially because lawn-type grass is not native to North America. So if you think about it, the average city park is just as good or bad for the environment as a small stadium with so-called natural grass ?
  19. You know, this is just occurring to me, but there's a lot of empty space right around Hurdman station? Like, south of the stadium just seems to be piles of gravel slowly growing ****** grass, if I remember right. I have no idea about land ownership, etc, and it might be a bit weird to put a stadium so close to the Lees Campus stadium (unless it was part of a partnership with Ottawa U), but it's kind of the perfect spot where public transit is concerned, being at the intersection of the north-south transitway and east-west train (assuming they ever finish it). It's a far better spot than Lansdowne and I'd say better than Lebreton too (the train might be faster than transitway buses, but the train route is not along residential areas, whereas the transitway is). Not the easiest by car of course, with just Riverside, but it's also not too hard as it's close to the highway. Just a thought.
  20. Rarely, maybe 4 or 5 times a year? Though I should note I don't drive, otherwise I'd go hike in the Gatineaus a lot more often. I'd still be in for season tickets for the aforementioned reasons, but again I know it's quite unlikely to happen, that there wouldn't be that many fans going over from Ottawa especially for weeknight games (though Ottawa residents working in Gatineau would be an exception), and so on and so forth. I'm essentially saying there's a non-zero chance it could happen and work, but I'm not about to bet any money on it happening in the near future.
  21. Well if you live outside the greenbelt it's your own fault for living outside of Ottawa ? I do agree that it would be difficult for some people in the political region known as Ottawa that somehow extends an hour drive (with no traffic) from downtown out to places like Fitzroy Harbour. However I don't know that I agree it would necessarily be a nightmare for Ottawa residents to get to - I mean, it would be easy for the significant number of Ottawa residents working for the federal government in Gatineau and not terribly difficult for those of us who work in the downtown core. Again, I know that, as someone born and raised in Ottawa, most Ottawa residents wouldn't be terribly interested in going to Gatineau for a CPL game, simply because they aren't terribly interested in ever going to Gatineau. But it's not as though the Gatineau Olympiques are doing that much worse than the 67s for attendance at the moment (roughly ~2.5k vs ~3.5k, though the 67s have in the past got as high as ~9k. Capacity in Gatineau is ~4k while Ottawa is almost 10k). I would also argue that some of us, myself for example, would be more interested in getting season tickets to see a Gatineau team play Halifax, Hamilton, Edmonton, etc than seeing the much closer (I live in Old Ottawa South) Fury play Bethlehem and NY Red Bulls II. Playing around with schedules to ensure that the two teams are not at home on the same night, ideally the same weekend, would also encourage fans to go to both games. At the end of the day I am not saying that this is going to happen. I am, however, saying that it is theoretically possible and could be a success even with the Fury around (more so if the Fury are also in the CPL of course).
  22. There is a way to have a second team in the Ottawa area at this early stage, but it means having the team in Gatineau and building off the inherent rivalry between the two sides of the river / two provinces. I can't see two teams on the Ottawa side being successful at this point, though I do hope the CPL grows to that point in the (hopefully not too distant) future. Like most people born/raised in Ottawa, I don't know the Gatineau side very well, but it'd be cool to have games at the base of the mountain, near the Campus Gabrielle-Roy of Cégep de l'Outaouais, there's a couple fields and space for a popup at least (though I have no idea about parking or ease of accessibility, I just like the idea of playing at the base of the mountain)
  23. It's just a bone I like to pick, the fact that the country's capital hasn't hosted the men's team in almost 30 years. Not a dig at the Fury or OSEG (for once), but at the CSA. Also very off topic, sorry to those who care about posts staying on topic
  24. You should specify Canadian women or youth games, Ottawa hasn't hosted the men's team for a game since 1989.
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