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  1. It is worth remembering that we have no idea the cost of the fee or what it's for. It could just be a payment towards facilities, players, staff, etc, to make sure that the owners have enough to stay afloat. It could be for a share of the media deal, in some sort of weird "you pay us x to get y back from them", or even structured as a reduction on their share of the media deal (so they don't get the full amount that the Original 7 get for the first few years or something - this way it's not exactly a payment, but essentially works out to one). The point is there are a lot of possibilities, some are fine and understandable, others are absurd. I don't think it makes sense to completely reject any fee without knowing the details, but I share the reluctance to support the fee when we don't know the details and simply see the unchanged number of teams. I just also think blaming the completely unknown fee at this stage is ridiculous, we might as well blame the upcoming federal election - we have about as much information about the impact of one on the league as the other.
  2. Not withstanding the fact that my comments on the absurd suggestion that a 36-44 team league is "small" or "limited" were completely "rational" and came from a position of "emotional detachment", you come across as a massive prick for writing that. Who put you in charge? When did you become the gatekeeper of this discussion? Why do you feel this need to project an air of superiority all the time? Furthermore it's also complete ******** - we're talking about human beings, people who have emotions and are completely irrational all the time. Why might the Fury want to stay in USL? I dunno, maybe because they have emotions and are irrational? Why might the fans want them to stay? Could it be that they have emotions and are irrational? Why do I want them in the CPL? Well you see, as a human, I happen to have these things called emotions and sometimes they make me irrational. You can try to separate emotions from arguments regarding the Fury's decision but (a) you will fail and (b) if you somehow succeed, you will then be considering a fantasy and not the reality.
  3. Ah yes, the wonderfully small 42-44 team league. How quaint.
  4. Sorry, the 36 team div-2 league that has added an average of 3 teams each of the last 4 seasons, the same league that was a 14 team div-3 league just 5 years ago, is planning to keep its numbers limited?
  5. If we get to the point of having pro/rel in the CPL, and thus have enough teams for 2+ divisions, I am supportive of the Spanish (and presumably others) kind of model where the biggest teams have a second team that cannot be promoted, cannot play in the Voyageurs Cup, etc. But we're so far away from that point that I don't think it's especially relevant.
  6. Every time I ask this I get silence, so I went through their 5.5 year history and did up an Ottawa Fury team-by-team record. It appears as though their main rivals would, presumably, be the other ex-NASL teams, Tampa, Carolina, and Indy, though they've played more games against a CPL team than any USL team, having played 8 cup games against FC Edmonton. Assuming OSEG gets their wish and the Fury stay in USL, it won't be until sometime in 2021 that Tampa presumably passes Edmonton on that list (depending on the cup games of course). * oh, for teams' current league I went with USL-E for those in the eastern conference, not that the Fury have played any who are currently in the west, and USL-L1 for teams that are now down a level, in case people were confused by that ** I did this fairly quickly so there may be one or two mistakes in the GF/GA numbers, maybe even in Win/Loss, but not in total games played.
  7. Maybe I am wrong, but my feeling is that people would rather go to games against Hamilton, Halifax, Winnipeg, etc than against Loudoun, Bethlehem, NYRB 2, Atlanta 2, etc. Even the bigger US locations, like Tampa Bay - why should I care about a random Tampa Bay team? I don't care about the Lightning, Buccaneers, or Rays (except in kind of hoping they move to Montreal), why would I care about the... Rowdies? The games played thing is interesting as well - in the USL, the Fury play teams what, twice a year? So you're trying to build rivalries with obscure American towns with just one home game. If they were in CPL, an 8 team league would probably mean ~4 games against each team for a 28 game season (plus the cup games, of course). So not only do you have places that people can actually be interested in, you have more games against opponents to learn to hate. I mean, this is the Fury's 3rd year in USL after 3 years in the NASL. Who are their rivals? Which team draws extra fans who circle the game on the calendar? I'm not saying that will happen immediately with the CPL, but I do believe attendance will be better and that rivalries will develop much much faster.
  8. To me it depends on your definition of long term? 5 years, no, probably not. 20 years? Yes, probably. But it depends on how things evolve, it might be something that is never a good idea or it could be that CPL shocks everyone and they come over in, say, 2 years. Ideally we wouldn't have any teams in American leagues but there are benefits (in the same way that Wales benefits from Cardiff and Swansea in the English system). I'd say it depends on how big the financial and talent gap is between CPL teams and MLS teams?
  9. You're right, three leagues in four or five years doesn't look great. I knew that and said, from the moment they announced the switch to the USL, that they were not going to be in the CPL. Which really makes me question OSEG's commitment to Canadian soccer, because they would have known the progress on CPL and have essentially shot it in the foot twice. Who knows, maybe the CPL starts in 2018 if the Fury don't abandon ship. Anyway, you can say what you will about Pacific vs Bethlehem but the simple fact is that there are no natural rivals for the Fury in the USL and the number of teams makes it difficult to see who would become a rival. The closest team is last placed Hartford, so look for big crowds on September 22nd for that rivalry matchup! ... but seriously, it's not just teams like Loudoun and Bethlehem that you can't place on a map, it's not just the obvious farm teams like NYRB 2 and Atlanta 2, it's the fact that there is simply no reason to see an opposing team. Give me a reason to care about beating (or cheering for) Indy Eleven, Louisville City, or Memphis 901, give me a reason to go see them. On the other hand, I want to see Calgary and Edmonton lose (political reasons ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ), people on the Pacific coast have this image of hipsters and haughtiness that would be nice to beat, Hamilton and York are in the GTA and think they're the centre of the universe, etc. There are clear and obvious reasons to cheer against them. Then you add in travelling support. Sure, it's easier to go from Hartford to Ottawa than from Pacific, but why would you? There are 3 other teams closer than Ottawa and probably a half dozen more that are easier to get to. Meanwhile Ottawa doesn't have many people from Hartford, but we have a ton of people who moved here from BC, from Alberta, from Manitoba, from the GTA, and from Halifax. They might not go to see the Fury, but then their hometown team is here, so they go out. Maybe they enjoy themselves and decide to come back more often. The USL *might* have stability and short term reliability, but the Fury are clearly struggling and there is no real potential for growth. The CPL is clearly the far better long term choice and, arguably, is as good in the short term.
  10. Anyone planning to be in Ottawa for the second leg? I plan to be there wearing my HFX shirt, not sure if there's an away section I should aim to be in.
  11. There might be some ways around this issue though. One thing I've been wondering about, in part because we already have the spring/fall league split, is a sort of half-pro/rel. Let's say there's 24 teams across the country, split into three regions of 8 (presumably west/central/east). Play a first half season where each region plays itself home-home, so you get 14 games each. If you finish near the top, you're "promoted" and put in a national league for the second half, to play for the championship. There's different options at that point admittedly, whether the 24 teams are split in two national leagues (which still reduces travel costs, only having national travel for half the year) or maybe only the top 2 in each region are promoted, leaving the bottom 6 to continue regional play. Either way, it could enhance regional rivalries, decrease travel costs, provide that hope of "promotion" and fear of "relegation", while also keeping teams competitive. So for instance, this point: would be mitigated. You might get destroyed by some stronger teams in the first half, but then you're hopefully facing more equal teams in the second half and can even sneak your way to a lesser title. I'm sure there are flaws with the idea, but it's something I've been mulling over and figured it'd be worth writing down ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  12. The tornadoes were later, around 6pm, and out in the East, but it's close enough in time and location to have reminded me that the weather wasn't great. When you say you were told the attendance was higher than expected, do you mean specifically because of the weather?
  13. So they're doing better on the field, but not off. June 2nd, 2018, vs Charlotte - attendance 5,693 June 2nd, 2019, vs Charlotte - attendance 3,589 There may be weather factors to take into account though, considering there was a Tornado in Orleans!
  14. I probably shouldn't give you the benefit of the doubt here, but I recognize I could be wrong, you might not be referring to Bunbury with the "bland things terminated with some monosyllabic high school French". Having said that, to someone who hasn't watched many announcement videos, it very much reads like you are, which seems rather contradictory with your claim to not be shitting on Bunbury.
  15. You jest, but it would seriously be awesome if the national team played a game in Iqaluit or something.
  16. I'm on board. Although I was already planning to buy a Valour or HFX kit and show up wearing that, just waiting to see who will be there.
  17. At this point Valour seems like the better team, so I'd say Valour. I just want to see the Fury get destroyed, but I'm expecting to be disappointed.
  18. I don't disagree, but at this point I have no real interest in supporting the Fury even if they move to CPL. I would probably get seasons tickets, but if they'd been part of the league from the start that "probably" would have been "definitely" (hell, the train to Hamilton, plus hotel, for my partner and I to see the CPL opener cost about what a single season ticket to the Fury would have cost me).
  19. Let's just say I am underwhelmed by the fact that they had ~15% lower attendance while giving out free tickets to mothers. There may, of course, be a difference between attendance on a saturday vs. a sunday, the day before mother's day vs actually mother's day, and various other factors. It's too bad we can't know how attendance would be if the game had been against, say, York 9 (the only CPL team to not play this past weekend) instead of Atlanta's farm team.
  20. Agreed, but figured since I generally spend all my time being critical of the Fury I needed to at least give them the benefit of the doubt once. Maybe flooding instead then. Though of course it also depends on if their attendance is 'tickets sold/given away' or 'tickets used'.
  21. 15% seems more than "slight", but sure. Worth noting the school game in 2017 was 7500 on June 20th (vs Orlando B), later than this year's May 8th and last year's May 2nd. Weather may have been a factor in the drop this year (from what I'm seeing, 2017 and 2018 would have been around +20, whereas this year, while bright, was more like +12). Be interesting to see what the attendance is tomorrow. Last year they had 4300 for Atlanta 2 on Sat, May 12 in what seems like similar weather (+16, mainly sunny. Tomorrow's forecast is +15, mix of sun and clouds). I don't know if they did the "mothers get in free" thing though.
  22. I signed up in time for the Forge-Pacific game on Wednesday, having procrastinated up until then. As an Ottawa resident who won't be able to make it to many games, it's great to have - if I manage to watch every CPL game, it works out to less than $1 per game. Even if I don't, it's still cheap and seems like decent quality? Admittedly I'm comparing that to my usual tactic of (probably illegal) streams. I don't disagree with Ted's point about having extra content, analysis, whatever, but it's obviously early days. It's hard to have tons of content to show when there are only 7 teams and have so far only been 8 games played.
  23. Sorry, are you claiming that the Fury would have more fans if the weather had been bad?
  24. So I'm about as pro-CPL / anti-Fury as they come right now (heck, I turned down free tickets to the game), but I will say that I believe the ~6500 number, mostly because that's about the same as every other year. 2018 was ~6100, 2017 was ~6500, 2016 was ~7000, and 2015 was ~5000 (2014 obviously was an exception, as it was their first pro season and the first half was at Carleton). Home openers are rarely representative of how a team's attendance will be. They could maintain the ~6500 average for the year, drop back to their ~4600 average of last year, or maybe even rise. We'll see how many people show up to see their opponents on the weekend from... Loudoun? Where the heck is Loudoun? It's a good thing the Fury stayed in USL so we could see them play such legendary teams as Loudoun... ?
  25. I think some people underestimate the potential of some smaller markets and do them a disservice in comparing to the States. Look at Halifax as an example - seems like it's doing great in terms of ticket sales and interest right? What other sports leagues are there in Halifax? The QMJHL, sure, but that's juniors and in the winter. There's the basketball team (also winter schedule, drawing ~2k per game with far more home games), and the lacrosse team (also winter schedule, and the team is new, first game in the fall). So when someone wants to go to a sporting event in the summer, what is there? The Nova Scotia Senior Baseball League? I'm sure that's a high level... Go even further, take a town of, say, 60k? How about Grand Prairie, Alberta. Highest level sports team? The Grande Prairie Storm of the Alberta Junior Hockey League. So you put a soccer team there, in the highest level in the country? People will support it, because it is *theirs*. They would proudly be able to say that they are in the same league as Edmonton and Calgary, they would be able to take delight in wins against the pricks from Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, and Ottawa. Now you compare with a smaller place in the US and you say it can't work here because it doesn't work there. But I'd argue there's a massive difference - we don't have college sports. I have never seen a single school in Canada get even half the absurd level of school spirit that they have in the States. So when it comes to sports teams competing for entertainment dollars, you have to take the college teams into account. I know that a place like Grand Prairie would struggle to support a team enough, because there's more to a league than just ticket revenue, but I don't see why we can't dream of building towards a larger league, maybe with some form of pro/rel to ensure that smaller towns do get a chance to prove themselves. Mostly the conversation here is about the potential for the Fury to be in the CPL but regardless, please find me any post of more than 5 pages that has managed to perfectly remain on topic? Also I'm curious as to why you care what arbitrary classification we apply to this completely irrelevant internet debate among a bunch of people with little to no secondhand (let alone firsthand) knowledge of what is actually going on?
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