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  1. I don't know if you're talking about the longevity of the USL (I don't see why that would be relevant?) or the longevity of the Fury in USL (which wasn't even two full seasons when the Fury first declared they weren't going to the CPL). Either way I don't really see why they would have a case on that front, feels like there are far stronger arguments elsewhere.
  2. It's not about convenience, the NASL is a different league, there's no grandfathering necessary there. But if you'd like we could add time in professional US leagues: Vancouver Whitecaps: 32 seasons Montreal Impact: 25 seasons (on hiatus in 1999) Toronto FC: 12 seasons (if you count the Lynx, which I wouldn't, it would be 22) Ottawa Fury: 5 seasons Is that better? One of them still stands out as having spent an insignificant amount of time relative to the others. And yes, the court ruling meant that Welsh teams who stuck it out in the English pyramid were able to stay there. Of course, they were forced to play home games in England for three full seasons before the decision came down - be interesting to see whether the Fury get more fans if they play their games in Ogdensburg. Furthermore the legal precedent is fairly meaningless, coming in a completely different jurisdiction (for one thing, as youllneverwalkalone pointed out, the UK is just one country in a legal sense, even if it's 4 FIFA nations) while the soccer association precedent of only grandfathering in higher level teams is relevant. So if you will read what I wrote, you will see that I covered this already in saying "only two of the eight are still in the English system now (Wrexham is also there despite having been relegated out of the top 4 divisions over a decade ago, but Newport County is in League Two, so perhaps they cancel each other out in a way)." Merthyr is technically not the same team as in the 1990s, having gone bankrupt and reformed, but I'm not sure that matters one way or another.
  3. There is the oft referred to 'grandfathering in' option. It is most notable in Wales, with several teams remaining in the English system having played there for upwards of 90 years. Initially it was agreed that teams in the "the football league" (aka top 4 divisions) were allowed to stay while Bangor City, Barry Town, Caernarfon Town, Colwyn Bay, Merthyr Tydfil, Newport, Newtown, and Rhyl were all told they had to switch. While just three switched right away, only two of the eight are still in the English system now (Wrexham is also there despite having been relegated out of the top 4 divisions over a decade ago, but Newport County is in League Two, so perhaps they cancel each other out in a way). The point being that there is a precedent both for grandfathering and for only grandfathering those who are playing at a higher level. I also think this is worth noting: Seasons in current league up to, but not including, the first season of the CPL (i.e. 2019): Toronto FC - 12 Vancouver Whitecaps - 8 Montreal Impact - 7 Ottawa Fury - 2 One of those stands out as not having particularly much of a leg to stand on with respect to being grandfathered.
  4. So my next question, and I recognize this might be a silly question, is what is six months advance notice? As in, is that 6 months before the end of the 2019 season, the end of 2019 itself, the day they release 2020 schedules (whatever that is), the start of the 2020 season, etc.
  5. Do you/we have any evidence to support (or reject) that? I don't even think I've seen anything that clearly says when the deadline is/was, so I'm admittedly wary of any firm statements about the Fury's league for 2020.
  6. That's too bad, I was really hoping to cheer for Romaine Lettuce FC ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  7. It is worth remembering that we have no idea the cost of the fee or what it's for. It could just be a payment towards facilities, players, staff, etc, to make sure that the owners have enough to stay afloat. It could be for a share of the media deal, in some sort of weird "you pay us x to get y back from them", or even structured as a reduction on their share of the media deal (so they don't get the full amount that the Original 7 get for the first few years or something - this way it's not exactly a payment, but essentially works out to one). The point is there are a lot of possibilities, some are fine and understandable, others are absurd. I don't think it makes sense to completely reject any fee without knowing the details, but I share the reluctance to support the fee when we don't know the details and simply see the unchanged number of teams. I just also think blaming the completely unknown fee at this stage is ridiculous, we might as well blame the upcoming federal election - we have about as much information about the impact of one on the league as the other.
  8. Not withstanding the fact that my comments on the absurd suggestion that a 36-44 team league is "small" or "limited" were completely "rational" and came from a position of "emotional detachment", you come across as a massive prick for writing that. Who put you in charge? When did you become the gatekeeper of this discussion? Why do you feel this need to project an air of superiority all the time? Furthermore it's also complete ******** - we're talking about human beings, people who have emotions and are completely irrational all the time. Why might the Fury want to stay in USL? I dunno, maybe because they have emotions and are irrational? Why might the fans want them to stay? Could it be that they have emotions and are irrational? Why do I want them in the CPL? Well you see, as a human, I happen to have these things called emotions and sometimes they make me irrational. You can try to separate emotions from arguments regarding the Fury's decision but (a) you will fail and (b) if you somehow succeed, you will then be considering a fantasy and not the reality.
  9. Ah yes, the wonderfully small 42-44 team league. How quaint.
  10. Sorry, the 36 team div-2 league that has added an average of 3 teams each of the last 4 seasons, the same league that was a 14 team div-3 league just 5 years ago, is planning to keep its numbers limited?
  11. If we get to the point of having pro/rel in the CPL, and thus have enough teams for 2+ divisions, I am supportive of the Spanish (and presumably others) kind of model where the biggest teams have a second team that cannot be promoted, cannot play in the Voyageurs Cup, etc. But we're so far away from that point that I don't think it's especially relevant.
  12. Every time I ask this I get silence, so I went through their 5.5 year history and did up an Ottawa Fury team-by-team record. It appears as though their main rivals would, presumably, be the other ex-NASL teams, Tampa, Carolina, and Indy, though they've played more games against a CPL team than any USL team, having played 8 cup games against FC Edmonton. Assuming OSEG gets their wish and the Fury stay in USL, it won't be until sometime in 2021 that Tampa presumably passes Edmonton on that list (depending on the cup games of course). * oh, for teams' current league I went with USL-E for those in the eastern conference, not that the Fury have played any who are currently in the west, and USL-L1 for teams that are now down a level, in case people were confused by that ** I did this fairly quickly so there may be one or two mistakes in the GF/GA numbers, maybe even in Win/Loss, but not in total games played.
  13. Maybe I am wrong, but my feeling is that people would rather go to games against Hamilton, Halifax, Winnipeg, etc than against Loudoun, Bethlehem, NYRB 2, Atlanta 2, etc. Even the bigger US locations, like Tampa Bay - why should I care about a random Tampa Bay team? I don't care about the Lightning, Buccaneers, or Rays (except in kind of hoping they move to Montreal), why would I care about the... Rowdies? The games played thing is interesting as well - in the USL, the Fury play teams what, twice a year? So you're trying to build rivalries with obscure American towns with just one home game. If they were in CPL, an 8 team league would probably mean ~4 games against each team for a 28 game season (plus the cup games, of course). So not only do you have places that people can actually be interested in, you have more games against opponents to learn to hate. I mean, this is the Fury's 3rd year in USL after 3 years in the NASL. Who are their rivals? Which team draws extra fans who circle the game on the calendar? I'm not saying that will happen immediately with the CPL, but I do believe attendance will be better and that rivalries will develop much much faster.
  14. To me it depends on your definition of long term? 5 years, no, probably not. 20 years? Yes, probably. But it depends on how things evolve, it might be something that is never a good idea or it could be that CPL shocks everyone and they come over in, say, 2 years. Ideally we wouldn't have any teams in American leagues but there are benefits (in the same way that Wales benefits from Cardiff and Swansea in the English system). I'd say it depends on how big the financial and talent gap is between CPL teams and MLS teams?
  15. You're right, three leagues in four or five years doesn't look great. I knew that and said, from the moment they announced the switch to the USL, that they were not going to be in the CPL. Which really makes me question OSEG's commitment to Canadian soccer, because they would have known the progress on CPL and have essentially shot it in the foot twice. Who knows, maybe the CPL starts in 2018 if the Fury don't abandon ship. Anyway, you can say what you will about Pacific vs Bethlehem but the simple fact is that there are no natural rivals for the Fury in the USL and the number of teams makes it difficult to see who would become a rival. The closest team is last placed Hartford, so look for big crowds on September 22nd for that rivalry matchup! ... but seriously, it's not just teams like Loudoun and Bethlehem that you can't place on a map, it's not just the obvious farm teams like NYRB 2 and Atlanta 2, it's the fact that there is simply no reason to see an opposing team. Give me a reason to care about beating (or cheering for) Indy Eleven, Louisville City, or Memphis 901, give me a reason to go see them. On the other hand, I want to see Calgary and Edmonton lose (political reasons ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ), people on the Pacific coast have this image of hipsters and haughtiness that would be nice to beat, Hamilton and York are in the GTA and think they're the centre of the universe, etc. There are clear and obvious reasons to cheer against them. Then you add in travelling support. Sure, it's easier to go from Hartford to Ottawa than from Pacific, but why would you? There are 3 other teams closer than Ottawa and probably a half dozen more that are easier to get to. Meanwhile Ottawa doesn't have many people from Hartford, but we have a ton of people who moved here from BC, from Alberta, from Manitoba, from the GTA, and from Halifax. They might not go to see the Fury, but then their hometown team is here, so they go out. Maybe they enjoy themselves and decide to come back more often. The USL *might* have stability and short term reliability, but the Fury are clearly struggling and there is no real potential for growth. The CPL is clearly the far better long term choice and, arguably, is as good in the short term.
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