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  1. IIRC, the North Mississauga president seemed sounded surprised, almost implying that West Ham reached out to them to make the payment. The Tottenham claim is interesting, especially since they complain that Crossfire is for-profit. If that has any weight, then the NFP clubs could really get a leg up if they get their act together. Anyway, very murky waters. USSF and MLS appear to be blaming circumstance (similar to the Canadian-as-domestics issue) on this. edit: found it - 5:10 and onwards (he responds to questions on the subject as well).
  2. I think this is such a huge piece of the puzzle. Clubs would be encouraged to promote their best players and provide avenues for talented players from poorer families. In principle you could fund a big chunk of high-performance programs just from solidarity payments. It seems that the biggest obstruction to this is the MLS player's union who is adamantly opposed to participation. They feel it would affect player mobility. Not sure what the CSA's official stance on this is though.
  3. If you have a full ride (which can be rare), it's not a horrible way to get an education. I think most girls would see it as hedging their bets - likely not going to have a pro opportunity which pans out, so better to play at a high level and get a (paid) education. They probably don't see it as hindering to their development and figure that if the soccer thing is still an option when they graduate, they can explore that. Basically the Jessie Fleming route. Not saying it's a good idea, but that's probably what their mindset is. If you don't have a full ride, it's not a good option at all.
  4. Yep, I think it happens much later. Consider: https://www.torontofc.ca/post/2018/11/27/two-academy-players-sign-national-letters-intent or These players are 2001s (grade 12s). I don't think they can contact you until much later in your high school career (maybe grade 11?). As to whether the U17s are looking to show themselves for NCAA or not, I would say that 90% of them have their eyes on NCAA. I would also suspect that nearly all of them would get scholarships solely based on the fact they are on the U17 national team.
  5. When I asked in the past for a family section, I was more looking for something like the following: chants/songs involving swearing would be avoided sitting would be a little more tolerated You can imagine if you are in 113 (to use a BMO example) and you sit down in the 4th row or something you might feel a little uncomfortable. Having said that, you could argue that you should just move to the back. I think swearing is the biggest thing though. You want to be able to bring a U10 soccer team and not hear flack from parents when their children come home singing about how we are "@*&#ing dynamite"
  6. Allow me to enlighten the best I can: TFCA already has three teams in the USSDA - only two teams played OPDL this year. For whatever reason, they put only their U14, U16, and U18 teams in there (these classifications are based on the 2018 Ontario season; the USSDA season is offset, so they are in the U15, U17, and U19 divisions). Their U13 and U15 teams played in the OPDL U14 and U17 divisions respectively - the U15s won and are generally recognised as being a very strong cohort. It is uncertain at this point what they will do next season. SAAC took over administration of OASL, so they have effectively merged under the OASL moniker. When this happened a few strong CAF teams (Mapola, CAQ) moved to OASL, so CAF is a shell of it's former self with only a handful of divisions. Note that the OSA specifically says that OASL is below OPDL:
  7. WRT to the OSU fine issue, while I don't know all the details, I will share a few thoughts: Why doesn't OSU just pay the fine? $400 is nothing to them (it is the minimum as stated in the article) - that's about 2 house leaguers or half a summer rep player. Now they are spending more on the appeal (unless there is also a suspension involved). Their argument is that the rules do not properly define a "memorable event" (U12 is allowed two memorable events out of district, but soccer activities should adhere to LTPD guidelines (no scores/standings)). The purpose of the rule (I think) is to prevent a) out-pricing kids who wouldn't be able to afford trips (some would argue that's happening anyway) and b ) soccer from becoming too serious, too soon - they are worried about U9 travel teams taking away school/other extra-curricular time. Should the rule exist? Tough to say - if they had waited a year, they would have been fine. If it shouldn't exist, what is an appropriate restriction on travel for U12 and below (i.e., including U8/U6), if any? Who knows what is the whole story? When did they submit their notice - one month ahead of time or six? Were they aware they might not get approval? The interesting thing is that OSU was previously accused of getting a free pass on rule-breaking (see other thread if you remember) with their OPDP program that excluded certain academies and clubs. Perhaps they are being made an example of? WRT to JdV, if I recall correctly, he was on the technical committee for OPDL, but was disappointed that the requirements made it difficult for academies. He seems to feel that OPDL is good and can be improved rather than some who say it should be dismantled (I believe his quote from the OSA summit address was something to the effect of "If OPDL fails, soccer in Canada fails"). Twitter critics feel that OPDL only benefits the consultants who designed it, ergo anyone who supports it is a sellout.
  8. Just to be clear on how this works: OPDL players are scouted (I don't think the scouts are the same as those who pick the team or coach the team) over a sample of 4 or so matches throughout the season. Players are also evaluated quite thoroughly (the rubric itself has about 130 elements) by their coach with the supervision of the technical director. The OSA combines those two to get the 90 or so for the provincial screening. As far as I know, goals/assists are not part of it (except that presumably they double check that the top 5 or so are also invited if they weren't already). Non-OPDL players are nominated to TOLDs by their technical directors. The TDs need to vet the player through a similar rubric before recommending them. I wouldn't put much weight into this competition. I doubt the selections for the teams are made in any sort of comprehensive way. I have never heard of an OPDL program so high, nor have I heard of a *respectable* rep program so cheap (indeed I lived in rural Ontario for a couple of years and I suppose what you might call "rep" worked out to about $1000 after travel, but that was pretty rudimentary). I will therefore use real examples: OPDL base fees: Waterloo, Cambridge (available on their website) = 3.2K, Oakville, North Miss = 3.4K Richmond Hill, Burlington = 4K Rep base fees (summer+winter includes Hershey): Erin Mills = $1600 <-- this was U12, I am positive the price goes up as you go to full field. I would argue most serious teams will do Ontario cup (last year's U13 boys division featured 5 of the 7 GHSL teams, and a few more from lower divisions). Furthermore, I think you overstate how much OPDL teams travel. In an effort to compare competitiveness, I tracked teams going to showcase tournaments in the US this fall: 33 OPDL teams vs. 53 Non-OPDL teams. So while they tend to travel a bit more, you can easily find one that doesn't. Until you quote me specific programs, I'm afraid I can't take your claim to be anywhere close to being true. Generally speaking though, I concur with your original point - if people think it's a good investment because they'll get some sort of return, they're sadly mistaken. If they think the experience worthwhile and want to be challenged day-in, day-out*, maybe it's a good idea. You can also save even more money by paying $500 all-in per year by playing house league! *-with the exception of the odd time you play a "round" player
  9. I still don't understand here - I thought we weren't including outliers, which 8K certainly is (is it OSU? If so, yes the Ottawa teams pay more because they travel more, but I notice that WOSC is substantially lower, 5K at worst). Note that you don't have to choose an OPDL program that goes to lots of far away tournaments, there are many that are content with Umbro and some preseason friendlies. You can also choose a rep program that travels to multiple tournaments! A generous comparison (travel included): Max: OPDL = 8K, Rep $2500 + $2000 two US tournaments = $4500 (<2X) Average: OPDL = 5K, Rep $2000 (2X to 3X) Min: OPDL = 4.2K, Rep $1000 (4X to 5X) The min is actually not a fair comparison, because it assumes a) fewer games because you're not playing in an indoor league, b ) probably only training 2X per week in winter, c) playing low level - district rather than regional therefore your travel is much less. Somehow you've failed to capture travel of any district rep team in your calculations; the difference is not as large as you think, see below: Take any GTA OPDL team and you're looking at about 6 home games, 8 away games and 6 neutral location games. That means you're travelling 20 kms one way 4 times, 60 km one way 8 times, once 100 km and one trip to Ottawa (two if you're unlucky), for a total of about 2000 kms and one night in a hotel. For the comparable CSL equivalent, you probably have 16 games + league cup and Ontario cup, so let's say 20 games, 10 home, 10 away. 4 of those are probably 20 kms, 5 are probably 60 kms, and you likely have something like Collingwood/Muskoka/North Bay, so that's 200 kms once, for a total of 1000 kms and one night in a hotel (again, if you get stuck with an OCup group in Ste. St Marie, add to the budget). For teams in Whitby/Pickering, the travel will be more in both scenarios (more trips to Ottawa; further trips to York/Toronto/Barrie). At a generous charge out rate of 50 cents/km, that's a difference of $500. These comparisons don't capture the fact that you're paying more for more (generally speaking - a debate for another time).
  10. Wow. We're up to $8K now? Which program is that? Of the five clubs I'm aware of it's $3.5K, and I've never heard more than $5K. I suppose if you go to 3 American tournaments per year you could get up there? I get it, pay-to-play is evil, and OPDL is the paramount of evil since the fees are slightly higher (but not that far off normal rep fees and often lower than academy fees), but let's not exaggerate ad absurdum.
  11. I've heard of programs that don't encourage movement between teams, but ones that I have been involved have seen players move up and down quite frequently up to U12. While it's true that OPDL players are basically A-team players from the year before, the trial sessions from the program we're involved in seemed to give everyone a fair shake and even went so far as to scout the rep-team/b-team for potential additions for the next season. A quick google search will show that 10,000 hours is a myth. Doing some quick math it would be very difficult for any player to get to 10,000 hours before age 25 without burn-out. Imagine you are looking at a 15 year window (age 5 to 20) and giving a 7 week offseason (more likely 2 chunks of 3.5 weeks) to recover and you're looking at 5 days x 3 hours a week. Yes, you can eliminate some of that with school-yard/park/street soccer, but it is a tough ask. I do agree on the watching soccer part though. These days there is really no excuse since it is so available.
  12. You drew up a pyramid yourself on page 3 of this thread . Anyway, it is a OS run academy league. OS claims that it is a level below OPDL. Also, it would be nice if one could find the results of the sigma showcase online somewhere.
  13. What if an MLS cup finalist is also in the World Club Cup? Presumably they would be forced to move it up no?
  14. Should have anticipated this. No matter what the result some people wouldn't accept the result. For SAAC, the Academy Cup is simply the Spring Champion vs. the Fall Champion (for U14 and U15, the Spring champion won, but they were still top 4 in the Fall). As such, it was effectively their strongest teams. Consider: It may be true that Sigma and Rush play a year up (hard to verify because they don't really publish that info online), SAAC is therefore at worst sending their 3rd best team; you wouldn't expect a huge drop from 1st/2nd to 3rd. At U14 OPDL sent their 2nd place team since North Toronto were already committed to another tournament. OPDL consistently finished ahead of SAAC at all applicable levels. In many cases OPDL teams won their opening match by a wide margin - it's not too much of a stretch to assume that if Oakville beats Ginga 7 - 0 and Eurostar can only manage a 1 - 0 victory over Ginga, Oakville could easily handle Eurostar. Yes, OPDL went 2 - 4 against SAAC in the Umbro showcase (the only tournament they played against each other). The four losses occurred in a U15 group that featured Rush* (3rd place SAAC spring, 1st place SAAC fall), London FA (1st place SAAC spring, 3rd place SAAC fall), Unionville (12th of 13 OPDL), and Markham (10th of 13 OPDL). So yes, the best of SAAC can beat the worst of ODPL. The two wins were 3rd and 4th place OPDL teams beating a 6th/8th place SAAC team*. I would argue the results of those H-to-H matches are inconclusive at best, and it is better to look at the overall records mentioned earlier in this thread that clearly favour OPDL. * - may not be the correct team due to playing up, but still probably a strong team My question I guess is this: What would have been enough to concede the point? If it was top 3 teams in each and OPDL consistently finished ahead with each team in each division? If this doesn't establish OPDL ahead of SAAC and CAF, at least it indicates that the academies are at best level or worst. I do not think that it is likely at this point that the academies are somehow better than OPDL. I am confident that most of the best players are there. If the above means watering down OPDL standards (e.g. viable girls and grassroots programs) I am totally against it. If the academies can meet the standard, by all means. I think this "need" is quite overstated though.
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