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  1. 3 hours ago, dsqpr said:

    None of the competitions you mention regarding a knockout stage are preceded by a fully interlocking schedule that has already determined the winner.

    The one exception being promotion playoffs, although these do not determine the champions of anything.

    Knockout football is what CUP competitions are for.

    LEAGUE competitions determine the winner on points. Everywhere in the World. You know, that big place where football is much more successful than in North America!


  2. 1 hour ago, Rheo said:

    Sadly it's not about what you or what anyone wants or thinks is the best lol.  It's going to be what the people with the money want to do and think is the best.  It's the real world here folks :)

    So what are we really on here talking about then?

  3. 1 minute ago, dsqpr said:

    I would like to clarify that my vote against pro/rel is based on the realities of the situation as I see it. In an ideal world with lots of teams and much smaller travel costs I would have voted "yes". Perhaps the day with enough teams and enough revenue will one day come so I do not want to see the door on pro/rel locked shut with a franchise based league.

    Good point

  4. 6 minutes ago, harrycoyster said:

    No. You weren't just wondering. You were actively mocking me for referencing MLS and Liga MX as examples that the CPL may want to follow. Two leagues, by the way, that we would be very lucky to ever grow to the level of.

    The "the EPL and Bundesliga don't have playoffs and have pro/rel" argument is terribly misguided. Guess what? Neither of those leagues features Canadians! So to be successful should we not have Canadians?

    The Bulgarian league has pro/rel and no playoffs. Why aren't they a top 5 league? Here's the answer: Pro/rel and playoffs have little effect on a league becoming a top league. There are tens if not hundreds of factors that are more important.

    If you want to post pipe-dreams about the CPL being better than the EPL go for it, but don't be an asshole when people respond with logic.


    Alright so no need to call each other names. Just having a good old argument??

  5. 2 minutes ago, harrycoyster said:


    Care to explain?

    Was just wondering why we can't aspire to be like the top leagues in the world. But I do understand the league isn't here yet, also. And what I mean by that is none of the top 5 leagues have playoffs nor do they lack a pro/rel system. 

  6. 1 minute ago, harrycoyster said:

    Are you trying to say that the CPL is above being compared to MLS and Liga MX? If so you should lay off on the crazy pills friend.

    I'm finding it hard to believe that somebody who claims to be a footballer is so uninformed about football.

    Never said that. I'm on here to understand what I'm so "uninformed" about. 

  7. 3 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said:

    No answers?

    No, like I said I'm just passionate about this stuff. I didn't bring up my experiences to show I was above anyone, just to show my point of view. What I was was trying to get at is there is a lot of Canadian talent who go abroad for opportunities and are waiting to be able to play on home soil in a league similar to the greatest leagues across the world. 

  8. 3 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said:

    No? This board is for supporters, it's right in the name. We talk about everything and anything. You're talking about the business model and I'm saying that anyone involved with that aspect of the CPL is going to want a return in some way. It's fairly simple. 

    Amd I'm sorry but your second sentence is unnecessarily rude and condescending. You don't know who I am. And on top of that if you did "play overseas" and earn a paycheque playing football you would realize that football is a business. So if you think "playing overseas" means you know more than the rest of us who are you? Where did you play? 

    Fair enough. Sorry if I came out that way, just pretty passionate about this stuff and just wanted a good old debate. 

  9. 2 minutes ago, harrycoyster said:

    I'm starting to think that you're a troll.

    How do playoffs draw attention? Go look at MLS and Liga MX playoff ratings compared to those of regular season games. Look at what TFC's playoff run last year did for that club. Playoffs create drama on a different level to regular season games; playoffs draw their own crowds.

    I have no idea what you mean by "teams don't have to win!". Show me a team that has maintained a success organization by not winning.

    Hate to break it to you: soccer is a business. You can't create the future of the national team without the money needed to do so.

    Pro/rel isn't the only thing that promotes competitiveness. There are a large number of factors. In fact, there are some really good arguments to be made that leagues like Liga MX and the SPL would be better off without pro/rel. It's a mute point though, it will not happen under the CPL structure. 


    LOL I can't believe your'e settling to compare our future league to the MLS and Liga MX! Wait so TFC is a success? I understand that soccer is a business, it just has to be done right. Hence why Canada is waaaaay behind my friends.

  10. 46 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said:

    Sport is a business, why would anyone involved with this look at it any other way?

    Edit: How do playoffs draw attention? Viewership for every sport in NA goes way up in the playeoffs.


  11. 5 minutes ago, harrycoyster said:

    That we be a little bit realistic. This is a league that will need to do everything it can to draw attention to itself. Playoffs are an inevitability.

    Pro/rel in a single-entity, salary-capped league isn't going to happen. It makes no sense for those involved to throw money at an already risky financial investment when they can lose it all on something as trivial as year-to-year on field performance. It's nonsense.

    How do playoffs draw attention? And that's the whole problem with North American soccer... teams don't have to win! So of course its easy for people to throw money. They look at the sport as a business, rather than the future of our sport/national team. Pro/rel promotes teams to stay in the league thus making it competitive. Which actually explains why playoffs are an inevitability. 

  12. 51 minutes ago, BenFisk'sBiggestFan said:

    I am an expert in the area of sports marketing! Im young! I can't afford to go to many soccer games! And I am arguing on a forum online with a bunch of people i don't know! haha i'll leave it to the professionals...

  13. 3 minutes ago, BenFisk'sBiggestFan said:

    Well in order to have a good quality league we need the revenue... Trust me, the fans will want to see the playoffs. Playoffs are a money grab, but it works, and it benefits us soccer fans so ill tolerate it... As long as we know the best team is the one that wins the regular season we are set. 

    I understand that but that team is not properly rewarded. It's all about the MLS Cup, not the Supporter's Shield... I wonder how many fans actually know of the Supporter's Shield lol

  14. 1 minute ago, BuzzAndSting said:

    If only it was up to us!

    I'm guessing the guys putting this league together and the ones running the teams do care about "revenue."

    So let's make it up to us! Us "casual" fans shouldn't care about going to a play-off game just for a beer and to have a good time but to support a league with quality and hopefully someday produce for our national team.

  15. 4 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said:

    For those in the pro/rel camp, how do you do that with a single entity league?

    Also I'm very confident there will be some sort of a playoff, it's bonus revenue, casual fans expect it and it's a staple of NA sports.

    See there is the problem. Do we care about the quality of our league or about "revenue" and what the fans want to see? Playoffs aren't anything more than a money grab anyway. So lets just take out the regular season entirely? 

  16. Personally, if the CanPL is to compete with the world's leagues and be taken seriously, it MUST contain some sort of relegation to promote the idea of winning. So where would teams be relegated to and promoted from? A CanPL2 (second division). Also, NO play-offs! One team should be rewarded for their performances and consistency throughout the season, just like the rest of the world. 

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