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  1. Also wanted to quickly point out that we played a 4-4-2 diamond, with Manny at CAM, Porter at LCM, JDC at RCM, and Murofushi at CDM yesterday for most game. When Petrasso came on for Porter, the formation shifted to the classic 4-3-3 we usually play. We generally defended in the opener in a 4-4-2 diamond as well, with Rivero as the CAM.
  2. Quick thoughts on game #2 Positives first. Rivero great touch, great composure on the goal, but also really smart decision-making and calmness with the ball up top. Thought he had an average or fine game for the opener as well, and it makes sense to have him start and let Wright be the energetic backup. Murofushi a magnet with the ball again, JDC has really re-made himself as an energetic box to box 8 instead of the deep-lying 6 that he played most last season that he wasn't very good at. Ferrari showed he can push for a starting spot, definitely fits right into the squad. Negatives. Manny was misplacing too many passes or losing the ball too easily, as he's done often last season as well. Great ball in the first 10 minutes though. We would still rather see Jimmy ask Telfer and Petrasso to switch flanks, at least during mid-game, because they are too predictable playing as classic wingers at LW and RW respectively. Our defense as a collective is not playing to the high standard we set for the team last season, which is a bit of a downer, cuz it's the same 5 starters at the moment. For our offense to shine, we need some unpredictability, and to me, that's going to come from having Telfer and Petrasso cutting in as inverted wingers, as Blasco and Bustos did to us all game long, and Fisk in the opener.
  3. Yes, another inverted winger fan, nice haha. You know I agree 100% about Telfer and Petrasso at RW and LW respectively. I think Vasconcelos would also find it a more natural fit at LW than RW for sure. I think Telfer was at RW and Vasconcelos at LW for about 15 minutes in the opener, I did see them switch flanks time to time. I think, if Rivero and Vasconcelos were allowed to play longer, while we had the man up, then they would have found more joy for sure. Rivero impressed me with his workrate, he was playing ST on offense, but coming all the way back to CAM on defense, and he also created a nice chance in the first 15 minutes. Vasconcelos obviously disappointed for most of us probably. And yep, Porter is a defensive specialist to me by now, I would definitely rather see Murofushi start in one of the CM spots, he was our most consistent player in the 2nd half. Of course, if Mannella and Manny are fit, then who knows what happens. Arnone would probably not be starting at CDM if the two were fit though.
  4. Thanks for sharing that, it's good to know. I would say it's definitely not an ideal location though. The Vaughan-centric fanbase definitely wouldn't call that an ideal location, compared to other rumoured locations in Vaughan. And, that location is most definitely a highway and car-oriented area. And definitely not the best area for walking around. Good to keep the rumour in mind though, thanks for sharing.
  5. I don't think anybody's said this anywhere yet, so I'll say this one quick. If McNab keeps hinting that the Balderassas are less willing to spend, as they already have spent a fair sum, and are only willing to commit to a marketing spend on an identity they can get behind, then that to me sounds like it's as much the Balderassas that are uncertain about the Y9 brand as McNab is. If you were the owner, and you were happy with the club branding that you nurtured through on the recommendations of Ganzhorn just two years ago, then you wouldn't take any dissent from McNab about the branding, and you'd likely be far more willing to commit to marketing budgets. With it being covid though, this is all just conjecture from me. Who knows what the marketing would've been like without covid.
  6. We agree that Y9 failed in terms of paid ticket sales, all obvious for sure. I also agree with you that McNab is actively re-examining Y9 in whole, including whether it should be a Vaughan team, a York Region team, a GTA team, or a Toronto team. There's some things I've heard through the grapevine that I haven't shared, but the one thing I can guess reasonably is that the club, whatever the branding and marketing may be, will be a Vaughan-based club in the medium and long-term. Just taking some quick easy examples, Y9 and McNab were happy to announce that they just opened or will open a club store in Maple, on Major Mackenzie Drive, in addition to the partnership they already have with Evangelista Sports, near Vaughan Mills. Halifax's success, along with other clubs we've seen, owe lots to a well-placed stadium, near the downtown core. For a Vaughan club, the only locations that could come anywhere close to replicating that proximity to a downtown core and density would be Woodbridge or the Vaughan Metropolitan Centre. I think the Y9 ownership is highly conscious of that as well. Until that day though, the key to making York Lions Stadium anything of a success is cheap ticket prices and big marketing blasts where relevant. And the Friday nights, and getting rid of the track. Because the location might be convenient for the fans taking the subway over, but it really isn't close to density or pedestrian traffic whatsoever.
  7. All good points, but the demographics of Vaughan is just so different from downtown TO, you know? Just far more family-oriented, which is why the family market still is the one being chased when they have a club that is basically a Vaughan club. You'd have to be pretty soccer-crazy to attend home matches for two different clubs if you live far away from York Lions.
  8. Hey whats up man~ I said this in the Toronto CPL thread as well, but my gut feeling is that Sauga is a safer bet than North York at this point. There's a good reason why there's so much support for Sauga SG, they have the demographics, density, and a distinct community feel all on their side. North York, especially around North York Centre and Mel Lastman Square, also has the demographics and density, but I wouldn't say we have a distinct community feel in the same way that Sauga does. I don't really know if we'd have a proper North York SG around, to take a quick easy example. The area around Downsview is also super spread out, with little density, a very car-driven area distinct from North York Centre, so it doesn't stand out to me as one of the better options either. I think what works is stadiums being around pedestrian-friendly dense neighbourhoods. That's my view at the moment, but hey, things change so quickly, so who knows?
  9. Nice, that's awesome, and I think that's a huge one, that you'd hope Y9 would be smart enough to coordinate with OSA and YRSA to avoid any overlaps for sure. I think Halifax definitely did that, and CPL clubs in general should always strive for that for sure. Thought I will say, going from experience, most of the fans in the stands are generally going to be more the family types and the guys looking for a fun night at the game. It's definitely hard sometimes to get guys who are pretty good at soccer themselves to come out to games, when they already play a lot, and probably watch a lot of European soccer on tv. But for sure, you also get these guys to come out cuz they have a friend or a fellow clubmate who plays for Y9 or something. So for sure, I hope Y9 and OSA and YRSA work together for sure.
  10. The food and beer stands were nice during the summer. We did get to see this atmosphere for the Montreal VCup game. The ticket prices were far too expensive, and turned off a lot of people initially, which was a huge fatal blow that's hard to recover from. The marketing budget just doesn't seem enough to compete in this market. The scheduling wasn't great, though that has now been rectified. The track also annoys a lot of fans, though that should be rectified for 2021. The thunderstorm and the delayed game fiasco in the home opener was also an awful unluckiness that contributed a bit to the season overall. That experience made it far harder for me all season to convince my family to come. No roof in the stands, for example.
  11. Do agree generally with that. I think we all agree that the Friday night games alone would have been a pretty big boost for attendance, avoiding conflict with TFC and with most youth leagues, which are the two biggest conflict scheduling factors. Season seat prices were lowered in the midfield seats, which would have eventually made a big difference too, once more people had a chance to try out the Friday night games and become bigger Y9 fans. But as McNab said, he wants to leave no stone unturned, so he is most definitely exploring the rebrand along with everything else as well.
  12. The reason a North York resident like me goes to a Y9FC game instead of a TFC game, though I have seasons to both, is, 1) I want to support the CPL and Canadian soccer 2) York Lions is far closer to me than BMO I'd assume those two reasons would be the two main reasons for most Y9FC SSHs in Toronto or anywhere else outside the York Region. In that case, really, whether you name the club York 9, York United, or York Region, none of it would really matter to most CPL fans in Toronto like us. But how do you get more soccer fans who aren't as hardcore about the CPL to come out? You have to appeal to city pride in that case. And if you want to appeal to the tons and tons of calcio fans in Vaughan, and I see them and talk to them often because I play soccer weekly in Concord, is you have to make sure the name is appealing to them. York 9, the 9 does throw a lot of new fans off. York United, you can't go around trying to market to Serie A fans a club that sounds exactly like Man United, you just can't. The Glazers have ensured that Man U will be considered soulless by non-Man U fans for a very long time. York Region FC, now at least that sounds like a club that a Vaughan Serie A fan might get behind.
  13. I live in North York, and I talk Y9 in 5 different online communities at least, here on CSN/Vs, a fb group, a fb group chat, twitter, reddit, discord. In the stands, I usually stand with Gen IX or around them, and I chat Y9 marketing frequently with Ben Z and McNab. Everything I've seen since 2018 tells me that this team is first and foremost, and will always likely be, a Vaughan team. Owners are Vaughan/Concord heavyweights, most supporters are from Woodbridge, Maple, etc, the team has heavy connections to Vaughan Azzurri and OSA, which is HQed in Vaughan, and the initial rumoured new stadium location was Kirby, which is an extension of Maple, and a heavy focus of Vaughan municipal politics. Everything about this team tells you it's a Vaughan team. The only reason they called it York 9 instead of AC Vaughan or something was so that they could offer a marketing olive branch to Richmond Hill, Markham, Aurora, Newmarket, and North York. Brennan being so heavily connected to Newmarket especially always seemed to me like a big reason why the club was so focused on Newmarket last year despite it being a decent far drive away from York Lions Stadium. I just don't see the club ever moving anywhere south of York Lions, which is literally at the border. I also don't think this club is going to actively try to market that hard to North York or York, even though they should. That's why I think a fair chunk of actual Y9 fans want to see York Region FC, since a fair chunk of them live in Vaughan and want to see the club continue to market to them. York United FC makes sense in many ways, but the Man U connotation is seriously throwing people off, and why you see a lot of fans also against any rebrand. Any new name has to be compelling for a potential rebrand. To me, York FC definitely doesn't fit that bill. United, probably not either. York Region FC, maybe.
  14. All factors considered, with TFC and Y9FC in place, with L1O in place, with what the distinct former municipalities and suburban municipalities are like, to me, the only place in the GTA that makes sense and would have a high likelihood of succeeding like Halifax would be Sauga, with a stadium close to Square One. That's the only place dense enough, and with its own distinct sense of community, and far away from both BMO and York Lions to make sense to me. At the moment, I'm not really seeing another downtown TO team, or one in Downsview, or one near North York Centre, or one in Scarlem, or one in Etobicoke, or one near the Danforth, or one in that new complex in Pickering, or one in Brampton, or one in any other municipality to have a high likelihood of succeeding. Of course a rich owner can set up shop in any one of these spots, but if you want a club that has a high likelihood of succeeding, CPL has to put it near Square One. If you drive past Square One and Celebration Square in Sauga, you can see why a CPL club could succeed there. It's rammed in there, and feels like its own big city.
  15. Quick thoughts on some of the potential names floating around. My personal opinion is that the York 9 FC name is just fine, not a major issue, and that there shouldn't probably be a rebrand unless there's a compelling reason to do so. York United FC: This is very likely McNab's preference. Goes with the Unite York campaign, name rolls off nicely, United is obviously (too) recognizable, and allows the club to market to North York and York more broadly. Seems generic though, and the Man U connotation will throw some people off, and the CPL branding idiots are opposed to any clubs called United. Also sounds too similar to York University, which is both positive and negative. Pro, in that the club plays there; con, in that it sounds like a university team. York Region FC: Seems to be the one name that most fans like or don't mind. Obviously continues to play on marketing towards the Regional Municipality of York, or the York Region. Pretty unique name within the world of football/sports. Not as much of a favourite for McNab likely, since he's looking to market beyond the York Region. However, I don't think CPL fans in Toronto will be much turned off by the name, since the more important thing is that the stadium is easy to get to, via subway to York U, or an easy drive a bit off the 401 or 40. York FC: Seems kinda boring and too succinct for me. Doesn't really have a nice ring to it, seems way too generic. There must be a ton of York's around the world. Plus, York at its essence as of now is the former municipality centered around Dufferin and Eglinton. Though you'd think anybody who lives there would tell you they live at Dufferin and Eg, not at York. Or Mount Dennis or Weston. Never heard anybody say they live in York. Seems like it's far too open-ended to really market properly, too vague. York County FC: The one name I've always thought would be kinda cool, though sounds archaic initially, so likely not a fave for marketing people. Seems to be a fave on twitter as well among V's. County clubs are well-known in England, such as Derby County and Notts County. The old York County in the 1700s used to encompass all of the GTA, while it existed until as recently as 1951, when it still included both the City of Toronto and the York Region. Sounds like the exact target audience.
  16. For me, I did want to rate Adjei higher if I could, because I thought he turned it up in the end season. His touches got better, his hold-up play got better, he scored some nice goals. Gogarty, his weaknesses became really noticeable when he was filling in for Abzi, I want to say around July or August or something. We went on a poor run in the first two months of the Fall season, and it was definitely a part of it for sure.
  17. We saw Yorky more often than Cox at times. Maybe he was the man behind the mask lol. To be serious, I thought it was notable how Cox especially seemed to miss the away games quite often. And for sure, fans were definitely expecting something from him considering his pedigree and local status. Didn't even show up on injury reports often, though they were so scant. League and club should definitely be giving us better updates.
  18. I thought I was a bit too harsh on Larson above, so I'ved edited it to provide a bit more context to what I thought about him haha. I overall think he's a great analyst who's covered a lot of Y9 games, but for sure, there was a couple things he said in the review episode that I definitely disagreed with. However, it could all be personal preferences, either opinions could be right or wrong, depending on what you value in the game and etc. About Gattas, you know, I did see that our last game was a 4-2-3-1, with Gattas as the CAM, so he would probably have been Jimmy's strongest candidate if he wanted a trequartista. I know he wasn't as clinical in his finishing as we would have liked, but I thought he was decisive in his decision making, whether passing or dribbling or shooting, he always knew exactly what he wanted to do, and often, it was the correct decision. Looking forward to the other comments you have for sure, will just let it all flow, and reply Monday or something!
  19. Finished rewatching all the 2019 Y9 matches haha, took some months, was good to do during this quarantine period, had me looking more forward to when the 2020 season does resume, and gave a fuller picture on how the players did over the season. Since this is the Vs, might as well as go fully nerd out, and provide a quick review on how I thought the players did throughout the season, and what they did well, or what they may look to improve upon this year. Ranked by what I thought each player's overall contribution to the team was for the whole season. Hope the comments are constructive and helpful for us fans, and maybe the players, who knows. I watched the 1S Y9 review episode as well, and I overall like Larson's analysis on 1S and on twitter, and I know he covered a lot of the Y9 matches, but I definitely disagreed with some of his individual assessments on that episode. Was more in agreement with Platt overall, and he's had some fantastic analysis on his twitter. 1. Abzi - LB, LW, RW - Best fullback in CPL, unplayable at times. Incredible footwork and agility. No slouch defensively. 2. Gattas - RW, LW, ST, CAM - Highly underrated. Orchestrator of 3rd best attack in CPL. Gets whole team involved. Decisive. 3. Telfer - LW, RW, ST, LB - Fastest in CPL. Incredible runs and goals. Not great decision-making and selfish. Misses obv passes. 4. Ingham - GK - Kept team in games at times. Incredible reactions. Some goal-conceding mistakes at end of matches. 5. Gasparotto - LCB, RCB - Iron man. Steady, calm, collected. Very assured with the ball. Wins headers. Bit slow. 6. Murofushi - RCM, DM - Highly underrated. Best and most consistent Y9 mid. Great thru balls & composure. Weak physically. 7. Doner - RB - Great motor, incredible 1v1 defender. Started season with poor touches & passes. Ended season with tekkers. 8. Di Chiara - DM, RCM - Good tackles. Not good with the ball in centre of pitch. Much better as a box-to-box 8 than a 6. 9. Aparicio - LCM - Best motor in team, highly aggressive. Can't beat D 1v1, lots of missed passes. Perhaps a 6 than an 8. 10. Adjei - ST - Good use of frame, gets whole attack involved, and can beat CBs. Too many sloppy touches however. 11. Thompson - RCB - Solid, steady, good long passes. Can get beat on the ground, and not noteworthy defensively. 12. Porter - RW, LW, CM, RB - 100% misplayed as a LW, can't create from there. Better as a pacey RW or a defensive 8 or RB. Wins offensive headers. 13. Springer - CB - Solid, steady, similar to Thompson. Not a bad option tbh. 14. Estevez - LW, LCM - Highly direct, most agile player on team. However, runs often into double teams, needs refinement. 15. Zambazis - DM - Can control centre of pitch, good composure. One error led to benching. 16. Furlano - DM, RB - Incredibly aggressive tackles, also good off the ball runs, got assists. Sometimes rash. 17. Ricci - RW, LW, LCM - Very direct, can beat defenders 1v1. Final product and decision making not at starting level yet. 18. Lamanna - LW, RW - Silky and smooth, but not given enough minutes to prove himself over 45+ minutes. 19. Gogarty - LCB, LB - Good defensive option, but weak offensively with technique and passes. Masked more when LCB. 20. Cox - ST - Mysterious injury problems and absences on away trips. Fans could use more disclosure on injuries. 21. Rollocks - LW, ST - Good pace, but dribbling and decision-making needs work. Got chances early season. 22. Silva - GK - Got 1 game I think, that wasn't notable. 23. Vance - GK - Got the last game of the season, made a weak save that led to a rebound goal.
  20. Haha Jimmy and Stalteri to sub in as emergency fullbacks if needed I will say, I overall thought Doner was not that good attacking-wise, especially early season, but I'm rewatching the end of the season now and I see he really grew into that spot the last 2 months, attacking-wise too. You could really see a world's difference in his confidence from the start of the year to the end, very cool to see. Definitely somebody who took full advantage of his opportunity.
  21. And Ricci was likely to take the final spot on Winnipeg or something I think it was? Zambazis was not bad either, definitely did not look out of spot, reminded me of Murofushi. I think Gogarty is definitely a LCB who got played out of position at LB and had a torrid time there eventually. So for sure, LB is always the hardest spot to fill, it's a very hard spot to find players for.
  22. For me, the best in our crop of guys that got released was Furlano. He had some heavy snap in his tackles, but also made good runs off the ball, got some good crosses and passes in, and even got an assist or two near the end of the season. I know you have your connections to Gogarty But rewatching the games, there was a stretch in the mid-Fall season where he was starting at LB when Abzi was out injured, and Larson and Platt correctly pointed out numerous times that he was sorely the weak spot on the team, not just relative to Abzi, but just with too many mispasses with the ball. You could tell Jimmy wanted to call him out during the pressers even, it was that bad.
  23. With respect to guys like Altobelli, Halley and Ferrari, obviously we had to fill our three U21 Cdn player criteria, so they'll get their minutes off the bench, but there's no doubt that CPL will be a big jump from USSDA. Considering our roster, and what we know about their CanU17 and TFC U19 experience and their age for the first two, my guess is that Ferrari will likely get more minutes than the first two, but will be happy to be proven wrong. What I would worry for the first two guys may be that perhaps they would be getting more minutes if they went to TFCII rather than Y9. The average age at TFCII is obviously far younger than Y9, while they would pretty much be needed at TFCII because of how many players they graduate each season, while Y9 we have a ton of young Canadian players who rode the bench for us last season, and hasn't found a club for next season. Furlano, Gogarty, Rollocks, Ricci, Zambazis, etc. When you think long-term development, getting as many minutes as you can when you are young is far more important than being signed at the highest level of team you can play and riding the bench. I know these young guys are signed for multi-year pro contracts though, and I'm sure they're over the moon lol.
  24. Obviously the Estevez move is great for him, Y9, and CPL, what an obvious thing to say lol. What's funny is how twitter and other social media was abuzz with "I saw him play once or twice on 1S, guy was super talented." That's fine for twitter and etc but I like the Vs/CSN forums so that we can have a proper discussion about our club and our league and our players, with people who've watched the games closely and really know what was up with Y9 all year. Some good comparisons above to guys like Boakai or Adu, it's good that we can celebrate the huge accomplishment and wish him all the luck in the world, while also being realistic and trying to be as knowledgeable as possible about the situation in full. Who really knows how the move came about in the end. I hope Estevez learns and keeps developing. Probably the biggest thing that was noticeable was sometimes he'd hold onto the ball bit too long rather than play the simple pass or give and go, but that's something that's definitely coachable for sure.
  25. With respect to Estevez, all anybody here in this thread has to do is look at Stouffvillain's proposed depth chart for Y9's 2020 season to see how much the Y9 fans generally rate Estevez. Something like the 6th choice in the front 3 going in. You'd think that it'd have to be like a top 10 player in the league that may get a shot in the Dutch D1. I think most Y9 fans would be hard-pressed to put Estevez in their top 10 for Y9 last season. I liked him as an option off the bench that did well in his minutes with his dribbling and shooting, but I thought he was quite raw tactically and decision-making. At least that is an aspect that can most definitely be coached. A friend did note that ADO Den Haag is owned by a Chinese company, and for sure, owners will be friendly for sure, similar to Wu Lei at Espanyol for example, which is all cool, more opportunities for more players. I think a lot of Y9 and CPL players will take positives from this move, thinking, if Estevez can make a big move like this, they can too for sure, which is the long-term goal for most of the CPL players.
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