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  1. Safe to say one was Besiktas though.
    14 points
  2. We all chuckled a few days ago about this. But yes, if they weren't before they are now haha
    13 points
  3. MtlMario

    Aviv Solomon

    We got you the first 6 times.😁
    10 points
  4. 10 points
  5. Atlantic

    Cyle Larin

    HITC and some other Turkish media outlets have been rumouring that Everton will try to sign Larin in a swap deal (+cash) for Cenk Tosun, who is currently on loan at Besiktas from Everton. There's also reports Everton are interested in American striker Daryl Dike.
    9 points
  6. It's too early to start individual match threads (even for me!) but here is some key info for our next window. Our matches: "Away" at Aruba, Saturday, June 5th "Home" vs Suriname Tuesday, June 8th Possible playoff vs Haiti/Nicaragua/Belize "away" , Saturday, June 12th Possible playoff vs Haiti/Nicaragua/Belize "home" , Tuesday, June 15th Locations: I believe, the border will likely still be closed by June and we will need to host in the USA. Florida isn't as pleasant in June but both Exploria stadium in Orlando https://www.orlandocitysc.com/post/2021/03/24/orlando-city-sc-announces-2021-regular-season-schedule-presented-orlando-health and Inter Miami CF stadium in Ft. Lauderdale https://www.intermiamicf.com/en/schedule will be free for the whole FIFA window. IMG in Bradenton remains a likely option. When can we get our players into camp? The FIFA date starts on Monday, May 31st . https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/men-s-international-match-calendar-2020-2024.pdf?cloudid=cd3qpcttmbbjowbso2tz However, we should be able to have a proper camp this time. Here is when their seasons end: Jr Hoilett / Liam Millar / Jayson Leutwiler EFL Championship/League 1 - Saturday, May 8th or Sunday May 9th (no playoff run) playoff finals maybe Saturday, May 22nd? maybe later (best outcome at club level) Frank Sturing Eerste Divisie - Wednesday, May 12th (no playoff run) Aviv Solomon - Israeli Premier League - May 15 Manjrekar James Greek Super League - Saturday, May 15th or Sunday May 16th Possibly a later date if in relegation playoff Cycle Larin/Atiba Hutchinson Süper Lig - Saturday, May 15th or Sunday May 16th Turkish Cup Final - May 18th Scott Arfield/David Wotherspoon/Harry Patton/Charlie Trafford Scottish Premiership - Saturday, May 15th or Sunday May 16th Scottish Cup - Saturday, May 22nd or Sunday May 23rd (best outcome at club level) Possibly a later date for Paton or Trafford if in relegation playoff Steven Vitória/Stephen Eustáquio/Lucas Dias Primeira Liga - Wednesday, May 19th Theo Corbeanu Premier League - Saturday, May 22nd or Sunday May 23rd (if brought to the first team - best outcome at club level) Jonathan David Ligue 1 - Saturday, May 22nd or Sunday May 23rd Scott Kennedy 2. Bundesliga - Saturday, May 22nd or Sunday May 23rd Alphonso Davies 1. Bundesliga - Saturday, May 22nd or Sunday May 23rd Milan Borjan Sebian SuperLiga - Wednesday, May 19th Serbian Cup - Tuesday May 25th Still playing their season: Sam Adekugbe Eliteserien Doneil Henry K League 1 MLS guys Most teams play Saturday, May 29th or Sunday May 30th but Vancouver doesn't (so the Whitecaps guys could get into camp earlier - last match before the break is May 22). So Herdman could get over a week of camp with over half the squad.
    8 points
  7. MM3/MM2/MM

    Liam Millar

    DAZN will be showing the Charlton game tomorrow morning at 7:30, followed by Cardiff's game at 10:00.
    7 points
  8. dyslexic nam

    The Road to Qatar.

    Under those circumstances I think they would still play two games at a neutral venue (or venues). They could designate a “home” team for each game or just use aggregated score and PKs or something - but reducing it to a single game would be an unnecessary level of adjustment.
    7 points
  9. Obinna

    Michael Baldisimo

    I like Baldisimo, but I don't see him moving to Besiktas right now, unless it's to be a long term project, which Besiktas doesn't really do. Hutchinson may have mentioned him and Corebanu as players to keep an eye on, but Laryea likely gained traction because he can help them in an area of need today. Besiktas doesn't really need a winger or a center mid right now, but they do need a right back. Hence the apparent Laryea negotiations.
    7 points
  10. Floortom

    The Road to Qatar.

    I can’t imagine that we would travel to Haiti for quite awhile after Belize was held up by armed bandits. To me that’s an obvious player safety risk and I would be shocked if FIFA held it against any nation.
    7 points
  11. Come to Besiktas 🦅
    6 points
  12. Shway

    Nakye Greenidge-Duncan

    Signed to TFCII Position: Midfielder Height: 5’7 Weight: 150 lbs. Birthdate: April 22, 2003 (Age – 17) Birthplace: Toronto, ON Nationality: Canadian Last Club: Toronto FC Academy https://www.torontofc.ca/post/2021/04/01/toronto-fc-ii-sign-nakye-greenidge-duncan I met this kid indirectly a few years ago back when I owned a restaurant nearby his school. He's very humble, talks well....when we talked soccer, he never once brought up that he was in the academy or how good he was, so I never thought I'd see his name. Congrats kid.
    6 points
  13. Bdog

    The Road to Qatar.

    Pandev vs Atiba in 2022! 🇨🇦🇲🇰
    6 points
  14. Noone is really advocating that TFC should just play young Canadians and not worry about winning. I think most people on this board, myself included, just dont like how they would play an American journeyman over a young Canadian. Not sure how even the most diehard fan can't see that. Jordan Hamilton is the prime example. Is he a superstar, no. Has he had any success after leaving Toronto, no. However, he was an OK sub who got some goals while here. There is no way Ben Spencer, who had 2 professional goals to his name should get any playing time in his place. Or we can also add Patrick Mullins, who from 2018-20 has 53 appearances and 4 goals. Hamilton has 6 goals in 34 during the same time. That, and many similar instances through the years is what pissed off alot of people towards TFC.
    5 points
  15. El Hombre

    Noble Okello

    This is based on one start and four sub appearances?
    5 points
  16. Dominic94

    Jordan Perruzza

    Not the first time they’ve praised him.
    5 points
  17. Dominic94

    Ralph Priso

    High praise and what a comparison: also Armas once again affirming play the kids is in effect.
    5 points
  18. N1ckbr0wn

    Ayo Akinola

    Yep completely agree... the amount of USMNT fans that truly believe they’re contenders to WIN the World Cup in 2022/2026 is crazy, they need a bit of a reality check and a failure to qualify would be hilarious to be a bystander on
    4 points
  19. El Diego

    Ayo Akinola

    If Atiba was really playing 4D chess he'd be telling Besiktas to sign Akinola, Flores, and Dias
    4 points
  20. It's funny, a while back there were just no options for our challenging positions. However at CB there are probably the most options and biggest competition for the two positions, just no one that clearly stands out from the crop. We know what the older guys bring, we've seen their upside as well as the downside. It's up to the younger ones to really step up, earn some starts with their respective teams and take the CANMNT spots. At the moment I give Miller and Cornelius the inside track on this one (Norman not too far off if he continues and develops in the CB role and promotes to a bigger league), however the competition seems fierce at their clubs, especially for Miller. Even with the rust, I feel Ferreira's baseline is just so much higher than everyone else's. The others have got to work, be fit and play regularly in order to be at the top of their games, however Ferreira just seems to have the natural instincts and pedigree, even with the rust and lack of fitness. If he gets a team, plays a little and stays fit, he's in. We're all pretty hard on Henry and his CANMNT track record, however we need to consider that not too long ago he'd be playing CANMNT and Whitecaps with no real help beside him. Everything was on his shoulders. No LB or RB quality and Cornelius was still very raw. Now that we're better balanced, he might be able to be that guy West Ham rated highly. However injuries and fitness always seem to be around the corner. Vitoria was and probably is our best option, he also doesn't exactly instill confidence, however he seems to have the most stability at this point even with the lack of speed. Jakovic, maybe we gave up on him too early? Perhaps he showed poorly for the same reasons as Henry above? Trying to do too much and too much pressure? Seemed to deliver well for LAFC, and that was no average team. Its hard to see any of the CPL guys lineup vs the tougher teams in CONCACAF. Honestly, I just don't see it, they will get killed unless they play with tougher opponents regularly. Sturing and Kennedy remain interesting options, they need to keep playing. James - we know the deal, seems to have been labeled, hopefully he manages to turn that around, cause he's playing at a respectable level.
    4 points
  21. m-g-williams

    CPL General

    Hehehehe. Glad to see the CPL teams have a good sense of humour.
    4 points
  22. Great qualifiers recap pod by CONCACAF expert Jon Arnold, the guy from BBC World Football Phone in. The situation in Haiti is even more sketchy than I thought. https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly90ZnNzLmxpYnN5bi5jb20vcnNz/episode/MmFmMDgxNTYtNGVhOS0xMWViLThjNjAtOTdhMDU3ZDBmNGZi?sa=X&ved=0CAUQkfYCahcKEwiAtKvR3tvvAhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQBA&hl=en-CA He also writes an excellent newsletter on CONCACAF. https://getconcacafed.substack.com/
    4 points
  23. Why isn't Atiba lobbying for Besiktas to sign any of our CBs?
    4 points
  24. Well it's now being reported by TSN
    4 points
  25. I think Bermuda has to outright win against Suriname for it to change anything for us. We would still be in 'win or draw and we're through': If Suriname gets a draw against Bermuda, they are sitting at 7 and us at 9 going into the game. We would still need a win or a draw to get in. If Suriname gets a win against Bermuda, a draw against us puts us both at 10 pts, but we'd certainly win out on GD. So again 'win or draw'. If Suriname loses to Bermuda, then we can still lose the last game to Suriname and go through on GD. This is the only scenario where 'win or draw' isn't the requirement. All that being said... let's go Bermuda! (1-0 preferred)
    4 points
  26. SoccMan

    TFC 2021 Season

    But the vast majority of people that fill the stands in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver are not the 20 or so of us soccer geeks that post on these boards , so if these teams constantly lose it will effect attendance and the bottom line . Sure play Canadian players instead of the journey men American MLS players I’m all for that , but in the end you still need to keep an eye on trying to win too. I mean even CPL teams have foreign players that they sign to help them win. Go watch that Montreal Toronto playoff series in 2016 or that MLS final in Toronto in 2017 and if someone told me back in even the 1990’s that those kind of atmospheres and those kind of games would happen here in Canada for a pro soccer game I would have thought you were nuts , but yet it happened and only happened because of winning teams . To only support your local soccer team as a only a developing ground for Canadian players and not care about winning where is the fun in that ? Sure give Canadian players more of a chance to play but in the end I still want my team to win and experience moments like I did in 2016 and 2017 being live at the stadium.
    3 points
  27. Obinna

    Derek Cornelius

    Made team of the tournament https://twitter.com/Concacaf/status/1377367353080623109/photo/1
    3 points
  28. Kadenge

    TFC 2021 Season

    Most successful teams are able to develop their top youth talent by giving them select minutes, at the right time while surrounded by the right veteran players. If a young player is highly rated and is ready for first team minutes, management has to accept that the player will make mistakes, but in doing so will learn and get better. Davies made mistakes in his first 6 games (and still makes some) but Flick stayed with him. David was not converting his chances in the first half of the season but Galtier stuck with him. Same with Larin in Belgium. American MLS teams are developing their young players as starters/ recent transfers to Europe. So why not TFC? Starting /giving minutes to one of Okello/Priso/Nelsen/Peruzza/JMR per game is not going to downgrade TFC. Is'nt it telling when TFC's MVP Poz wants the "kids" to play? The sky is not going to fall if one of those kids start or is subbed in when TFC has a 3-0 lead vs. Endo/Mullins/Zavaleta etc. For the record, I live in Toronto, attend some games, have watched most from day one and was even at the Aston Villa/TFC game back in year 1.
    3 points
  29. Alex

    The Road to Qatar.

    As of this point I’ll bet we don’t play in Canada, but I don’t think it would be a single elimination match if Haiti can’t play at home either. The format has already been decided and it’s started.
    3 points
  30. toontownman

    OneSoccer

    Check the date lol
    3 points
  31. GlassCity

    Kamron Habibullah

    I didn’t get those details
    3 points
  32. That would make more sense. Regardless, Besiktas are not going to sign anyone unless they are convinced they can help. Laryea makes sense to me, he grew up with Cyle, he is experienced, is a player who could clearly grow in a harder pro environment. Corbeanu: well if at some point Wolves think he should loan out, that would be fine. But it would also be fine to another 50 different clubs out there as good as Besiktas. Baldisimo: he's going to have to show a lot more to justify that kind of move.
    3 points
  33. frmr

    Michael Baldisimo

    Bair? What does Atiba see in him?
    3 points
  34. Free kick

    TFC 2021 Season

    Very well said. This is what i have been saying many times here. There are some 24-30k people that pay and show up to watch TFC. They too are canadians (the vast majority at least) and what they come to see is good product and hopefully a winning team. All the better if there are canadians to cheer for. Before Leiweke arrived, you could tell that the team was at a crossroads. The support was still there but clearly the relevance of the club was starting to slip. And remember those tens of thousands on the waiting list for Season seats? Well by the time Leiweke arrived we werent hearing anything about that waiting list any more. Thats what losing will do. Odds are, when you take this kind of turn whereby you roll out players with promise but no experience, some will do well and other will not. Some will be average and some will need more time to develop. One might turn to be a true revelation or none will make it. What is certain is that this process will mean that you will struggle in the standings. And thats never good for any any professional sports team irrespective of the sport. This is a profesional sports team! They are no different than any professional sports team in the NHL, NBA, MLB, European soccer, CPL...etc etc. Primary goal is to win which attracks fans, which allows you to make money so that get better and win still more. Its not to develop or be a school for developing players of a certain nationality. This is no different anywhere around the world in any realm aossciated with orgainized sports. Thankfully, there are MLS rules to encourage that part. So I will be there none the less. I will be cheering and hoping that some of these prospects pan out. But unfortunately what you said in line 3-4 of your post is true about this forum sometimes. And thats what I find frustrating, and I am furthermore frustrated that other canadian teams in MLS arent held at all to the same scrutiny by their own fans on this topic. Still furthermore, what gets my blood boiling, is when some of these canadian TFC players who have made it, dont get anywhere near the same “shout out” with respect to their places on the national teams. Where was the outcry when Osorio was exiled by Floro from the national team?
    3 points
  35. I think you will be seeing a very young squad at this Gold Cup, guys looking to prove themselves but maybe not getting the minutes with their MLS clubs. I don't think you'll see MNT "C" squad MLS vet types because I sense that at this stage of their careers they will be focusing on helping their clubs during the summer stretch of MLS fixture congestion even around the break time for this tourney. For many of these vets, I think the sun has rapidly set on their international careers by the emergence of these younger guns, so concentrating on club pay cheques and availability would likely be their focus. Now, you might see a vet stuck on a MLS club's bench wanting to get in the shop window, and that would certainly be an exception.
    3 points
  36. What I've heard through is that last years two homegrown signings were more club pushed and not backed by MDS. This could obviously be false, but what I've seen in the trainings would seem to support it. Facchienieri specifically in the first two weeks took part in the sessions as normal but was used sparingly in scrimmages. There seemed to be a lot of shadow play work in the practices prior to all the internationals leaving. The four CB's that got all the work were Ranko/Godoy/Cornelius/Rose. In fact, one of the younger boys Campagna got a lot of reps both in RCB/RB. I'm not saying the kid isn't going to make it, just not likely he's ready yet. Perhaps another loan will do wonders. As far as who's standing out, Gutierrez, Baldisimo and Cornelius were very good and the latter two displayed their form in the Olympic Qualifiers. The academy boys that stood out were Campagna as mentioned and Habibullah. Didn't get to see much but thought Keishan Francois was okay as well as Abraham Jones.
    3 points
  37. This thread has been quite the read to see the last 6 years. Despite it still being our most challenging position, we've definitely improved. I like seeing so many left footed defenders to boot.
    3 points
  38. Ironic that Orlando is both the club Larin left and the club that tossed Laryea in the bin.
    3 points
  39. narduch

    Frank Sturing

    We are still miles ahead of them.
    3 points
  40. dyslexic nam

    Jordan Perruzza

    I don’t want to the negative guy, and I am hoping that TFC is sincere about the youth movement, but there is a saying: if everyone is special then no one is special. May not be entirely appropriate here but the idea somewhat applies. If he is hyping up literally every young guy coming into the first team, I am inclined to give the praise a lot less weight.
    3 points
  41. dyslexic nam

    The Road to Qatar.

    No. That’s us
    3 points
  42. Dominic94

    Noble Okello

    3 points
  43. dyslexic nam

    TFC 2021 Season

    I am mostly in the other camp. If things are absolutely abysmal, then I think you go in a different direction. But if the team is competitive I would fully support a youth-first approach. I would have a lot more interest watching a mid-table MLS side littered with young Canadians than watching Team America go all the way. Not saying you are wrong - just a different perspective.
    3 points
  44. rkomar

    TFC 2021 Season

    As a TFC fan, for me nothing beats the fun of winning. I'm not willing to watch the team perpetually lose while it trains young Canadians. I get the feeling that lots of people here don't actually care if the team wins, so long as the Canadian rookies get their experience. Well, that's not me. When Leiweke took over, he changed management to make winning a priority, and TFC quickly became a winning team after that. I loved that change, and I'd hate to see us go away from that. So, go ahead and give the kids their chance, but if the team and results look as hopeless as they did in the early seasons, then it's time to replace them with players who can help the team win again. Perpetual losing should not be an option.
    3 points
  45. The central defender role is going to be the most competitive of all the positions on the senior team. Clearly not yet settled with two sets of starters for each of the WC qualifying games, a different set for the Olympic qualifying, and a number of candidates on the outside looking in. Let's bump this thread to discuss where we rank the current contenders: Steven Vitoria - clearly Herdman's first choice; regular starter in Portugal top division Kamal Miller - looking like they want Kamal to be the left-sided starter; will be starter at Montreal? Ricardo Ferreira - could be number one on this list if he finds a club, gets regular playing time and stays injury free Doneil Henry - no reason to think he's not still in the mix as a potential starter Derek Cornelius - given prominent leadership role on U23 team and excelled; will battle for a starting role with the Whitecaps all season Frank Sturing - given a start for the senior team in a WC qualifier, thinking that means they rate him highly; hopefully plays for a higher level team soon Scott Kennedy - missed out on this round due to injury? You have to think he's in the mix due to the level he's playing Joel Waterman - more playing time in Montreal this season? Callum Montgomery - can he stick in Minnesota and get MLS playing time? Amer Didic - a top CPL-level central defender Manjrekar James - clearly not in Herdman's plans but in the past showed promise, a comeback is always possible if he can find a full-time role somewhere Julian Dunn - most promising young central defender in the mix; will he finally get playing time with Toronto? If so, how high on this list does he go? David Norman - promising debut as a central defender at U23; will be a CPL starter
    3 points
  46. LeoH037

    Michael Baldisimo

    Personally don't think it makes sense for someone like Theo to go out on loan in Turkey. He is only 18, and at this point you want him in an environment that will ensure his progress. Sending a promising young player that's just finding their way to fend by himself in a new country with a new culture doesn't seem the best way to set them up for success. Makes more sense for Theo to go on a Championship loan.
    2 points
  47. do they know what they are getting into dealing with curtis,at the pace he does deals it may take 2 years
    2 points
  48. The connection between Canada and Turkey is interesting. Not only do we have the Canadian-Besiktas linkage, but we have a star player at Lille, a club Turkish fans undoubtedly follow due to Yimaz, Yazici and Celik all playing for the club.
    2 points
  49. Thanks for the list, looks well done. We are solid in all positions, with actual real quality and depth but the CB position (one of the most vital positions) may make or break our chances at reaching Qatar. Agreed that Vitoria is our current number one. Let’s hope Kamal really blossoms into something we can count on regularly. Cornelius is in the same boat. They both need to impress consistently (and not just be average in the MLS). Luckily they are both pretty young for this position and I’m sure learning every day. Kennedy is indeed promising as well and James is somehow on the outside looking in (bit of a mystery). Ultimately, we have 4-5 guys that MAY reach the level we need them to reach and if 1-2 manage to do it, then we may be in good shape (albeit very thin in the depth department when it comes to real quality). Right now it’s indeed a work in progress. For me, Ferreira has the most upside. Get this guy fit and playing regularly and we may have magically solved a lot of our problems with one international switch. In my eyes, Sturing and the others are depth pieces with a little less promise but things could pan out (admittedly haven’t watched much of Dunn). May be harsh, but I’d be more or less done with Henry if we stabilize our core with Vitoria, Ferreira, Miller, and Cornelius. With potentially Kennedy being in the mix. I know we don’t necessarily have the luxury to close doors in a position that we’re so thin at but I’d personally roll the dice on the others and give them a chance. He has more or less be very poor for the national team and I don’t think his upside outweighs the likelihood he costs us an important game with his decision making.
    2 points
  50. Bison44

    TFC 2021 Season

    I dont get the either or, zero sum perspective. Did we just get rid of Poz, Bradley, Jozy, Oso, mavinga etc to make room for Priso or Nelsen?? TFC didnt go from also ran to contender because they changed any direction on playing kids or CDNs. They stopped bringing in guys like Frings, Mista, Earnshaw, Gilberto etc and getting quality still in their prime stars. What I think most of us object to is seeing Mullins, Endoh or Zaveletta types get trotted out over and over when you could go with a cheap CDN prospect and get arguably the same result but with an upside. They have spent the money bringing these kids along, there are a bunch of them, why not at least see who sinks and who floats eh? Most teams can work in a few young academy players into their roster without going into a tailspin.
    2 points
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