Canuckia Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 5 minutes ago, El Diego said: He didn't know about this before? Marsch didn't inform him of drone behaviour during/after Copa? He really had no inkling about this behaviour at any point after he took over? He had to volunteer info during the Olympic tournament while the women are still competing? He has to glaze his new hire in the media at the expense of others? If we were hammering Bev for potential willful blindness (before the e-mails came out), why are we not doing the same for CSA/Blue? Lots of questions from me... Fair point. I can't speak to what he did or didn't know, I just personally found it refreshing how quickly he made himself available to public scrutiny. As far as his timing, I don't see that he had much choice. The story wasn't going away anytime soon. I guess only time will tell how wide the dragnet is cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diego Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 11 minutes ago, Canuckia said: Fair point. I can't speak to what he did or didn't know, I just personally found it refreshing how quickly he made himself available to public scrutiny. As far as his timing, I don't see that he had much choice. The story wasn't going away anytime soon. I guess only time will tell how wide the dragnet is cast. I'm with you to an extent, I don't think Blue did it with any harm in mind and that he truly believes in transparency as a pillar of his regime. But I do think he was naive and had a choice with the timing of the public statements. red card, Ivan and The Real Marc 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckia Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Just now, El Diego said: I'm with you to an extent, I don't think Blue did it with any harm in mind and that he truly believes in transparency as a pillar of his regime. But I do think he was naive and had a choice with the timing of the public statements. Yeah. I just don't think he could have waited until after the Olympics. The vultures would have just got hungrier. My opinion. El Diego 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 2 hours ago, narduch said: I could be reading it wrong, but I think what Priestman is saying is that everyone spies. Not necessarily that everyone uses drones to do it. That's my reading of this as well. Furthermore, the FIFA rules don't specifically mention drones. narduch and jonovision 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diego Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 25 minutes ago, Canuckia said: Yeah. I just don't think he could have waited until after the Olympics. The vultures would have just got hungrier. My opinion. We'll agree to disagree, but I will concede that you might be right. The public statements certainly tipped off the FIFA Secretariat, but the request may have been made without the statements. I think my main point is that the statements, at best, did not help the situation. Canuckia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 4 hours ago, Ansem said: So they all do it but we're the only ones employing a coach dumb enough to get caught at the Olympics and leaving paper trails all over the place implicating directly the men's program too Got it Not to mention doing it at the Olympics that is teeming with security measures that would obviously be looking at security breaches such as drones flying over athletes. Admiral Murray and Ivan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allez les Rouges Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, El Diego said: We'll agree to disagree, but I will concede that you might be right. The public statements certainly tipped off the FIFA Secretariat, but the request may have been made without the statements. I think my main point is that the statements, at best, did not help the situation. Now at least, they took the sanction, qualified regardless, and winning would be just legendary. If FIFA had to impose a sanction after the tournament, who knows if they might have had a medal stripped. Kent and Canuckia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 jsmith, Canuckia, narduch and 4 others 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mihairokov Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 27 minutes ago, Stanley said: Not to mention doing it at the Olympics that is teeming with security measures that would obviously be looking at security breaches such as drones flying over athletes. Only our staff were dumb enough to fly a drone when 80% of the entire fucking country of France was under no-fly orders. Ivan, Stanley and The Real Marc 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahmedou Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 On 7/30/2024 at 4:00 PM, ahmedou said: Canada Soccer Women's National Team (2-0) FIFA Canada Soccer Women's National Team (3-0) FIFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gian-Luca Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 The choice of the word "integrity" is somewhat interesting, one might say Stanley and Unnamed Trialist 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 This could ruin his career. I'm not sure it will cost him his job at TFC but he's denied it a couple times now so not only could he be the one who started it all, but he could be a liar. That's a tough pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 15 hours ago, jonovision said: The appeal being denied was expected, for me. At some point, it would be nice if FIFA is able to outline exactly the rationale for 6 points in the first place. Clearly the true thinking is "We wanted to make it nearly impossible for Canada to advance, but didn't want to mess up our tournament by kicking them out or send out a team with nothing to play for in two matches". But if this was worth 6 points, what would have been worth 3? Worth 9? Your made up quote has me wondering. Were we saved by the fact we had a game with France in the group stage still to play? They wouldn't want to cancel one of the games that would actually draw some fans, upset the French people who bought tickets already. So maybe that played a role in it being a points deduction instead of sending us home (not that I think we should have been sent home. I think the 6 points was overly harsh). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe MacCarthy Posted August 1 Author Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, RJB said: This could ruin his career. I'm not sure it will cost him his job at TFC but he's denied it a couple times now so not only could he be the one who started it all, but he could be a liar. That's a tough pair. It's never the crime, it's the cover up (see Martha Stewart) RJB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 9 minutes ago, Joe MacCarthy said: It's never the crime, it's the cover up (see Martha Stewart) Lance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) 2 hours ago, Joe MacCarthy said: Why don't the Footy Prime guys do one on the time of "Blue and Augruso" has surely come to an end? They are the people in charge of the program. Maybe it has a bit to do with still needing to suck up to the CSA but having nothing to gain from Priestman either way. Edited August 1 by Unnamed Trialist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Am pleased to see the story of us winning also appears, in fact it is very high up on the Guardian sports page. https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/aug/01/canada-progress-at-olympics-despite-six-point-deduction-over-drone-scandal RJB and Canuckia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoyleG Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/summer/soccer/canada-olympic-womens-soccer-appeal-denied-emails-1.7280924 Better explanation of the issue that Westhead would be incapable of doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 How realistic is it that the players did not know this was happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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eramosat Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 17 hours ago, Kent said: Your made up quote has me wondering. Were we saved by the fact we had a game with France in the group stage still to play? They wouldn't want to cancel one of the games that would actually draw some fans, upset the French people who bought tickets already. So maybe that played a role in it being a points deduction instead of sending us home (not that I think we should have been sent home. I think the 6 points was overly harsh). Saved by the fact that no replacement could be made. And penalizing 7 points or more would lead to Canada being basically out before they started, with no incentive to play. FIFA wanted to be seen as being tough on crime, but not so tough that games wouldn't be contested. And yes, I suspect FIFA would rather not do anything more...how could they? Discipling members for stuff like this is the exception, not the norm. It's all up to Canada authorities now...as usual...for the final punishments to come. For an offense that is a social media nightmare and a practical nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eramosat Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) 13 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said: Am pleased to see the story of us winning also appears, in fact it is very high up on the Guardian sports page. https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/aug/01/canada-progress-at-olympics-despite-six-point-deduction-over-drone-scandal I would be more pleased if a type of editorial stance was taken to say "punishment served, whatever happens from here out, is up to the players, and that's fine". I have not seen that at all, anywhere. Only facts. But maybe it's naive to think any journalist would go out on a limb to say Canada overcame most of it's punishment (the 6 point deduction, still missing head coach which is something?) and they deserve anything they can achieve from here on out. Mostly have to wait until they win their medal, to see if media lauds them, or denigrates them. Or fail to win a medal, and see if they get any credit for overcoming severe adversity, or get "it's appropriate for cheaters" treatment. CSA PR should be working right now. Edited August 1 by eramosat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eramosat Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) P.S. I would be interested to be reminded of what FIFA's Top 10 disciplinary measures against members has been, in your memory. I am a bad fan, and mostly think about empty stadium games, and some point forfeitures for Balkan nations in various EURO type tourneys for fan behaviour, maybe player behaviour? Edited August 1 by eramosat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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