Ozzie_the_parrot Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) Whiskey tango foxtrot? Emailing HR about someone refusing to do the drone stuff? ...After a Canada Soccer analyst emailed Priestman four months ago to say they refused to spy on opposing teams’ closed training, Priestman emailed a human resources consultant on March 20, 2024, to ask for advice. Priestman email: “Seeking your advice and input here regarding this formal email on spying. It’s something the analyst has always done and I know there is a whole operation on the men’s side with regards to it… it can be the difference between winning and losing and all top 10 teams do it.” Edited July 31 by Ozzie_the_parrot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg_29 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Nothing like outing dubious activities in everyday corporate communications: Reply All "Hey guys just wanna to follow up and circleback on our usage of drones for spying? Anybody have any thoughts? " Kent, narduch and Cheeta 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diego Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Wanna know something funny? When I posted the link to the decision, it wasn't redacted yet. I know the names of the analyst and HR person, heck I listed them in the post. Canuckia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) So they all do it but we're the only ones employing a coach dumb enough to get caught at the Olympics and leaving paper trails all over the place implicating directly the men's program too Got it Edited July 31 by Ansem Canuckia, Ivan, BearcatSA and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said: So basically we got caught doing something that many other teams do, have done, or would do, and thus our punishment will serve as the deterrant to everyone else moving forward. Because this happened at the Olympics and because French law was violated, FIFA were forced to act. If not for these circumstances I believe FIFA wouldn't have gotten involved, because they never bothered to lift a finger during our alleged spying against the men's Honduras, and presumably many other cases went unpunished. Therefore, since FIFA doesn't, or at least hadn't, investigated and punished these acts in the past, there effectively was no rule against it to begin with. If you have a rule with no history of enforcement, there is no deterrant and you basically don't have a rule. Everything will be different for every international team moving forward, now that FIFA stepped in. How much do you blame Herdman for breaking a rule that's never enforced (assuming the allegations are true)? And how much do you blame Bev for breaking a rule that wasn't enforced (until it was)? Edited July 31 by Obinna frattinator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, mpg_29 said: Nothing like outing dubious activities in everyday corporate communications: Reply All "Hey guys just wanna to follow up and circleback on our usage of drones for spying? Anybody have any thoughts? " Just needed to request a Teams meeting for follow up BearcatSA, Cheeta, phresh and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Just now, narduch said: Just needed to request a Teams meeting for follow up Plus a discussion of the venue for a staff barbeque. narduch and Cheeta 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Obinna said: So basically we got caught doing something that many other teams do, ... Only if you view everything that Bev Priestman says as credible. How would she know that all of the other top ten countries are doing it? That could just be a mix of paranoia and projection on her part. It's something FIFA should investigate though. Edited July 31 by Ozzie_the_parrot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said: Only if you view everything that Bev Priestman says as credible. How would she know that all of the other top ten countries are doing it? That could just be a mix of paranoia and projection on her part. It's something FIFA should investigate though. I guess I could see that being the case, but has Bev (or Herdman) ever reported a case of drone spying to FIFA? It would be odd if she was paranoid others were spying on her, but she didn't bother to report it. More likely I think would be projection in order to justify her own spying, but it would be very delusional to completely fabricate a story that "all top 10 teams do it" without an inkling of heresay, maybe from some other coaches or players. Where there is smoke there's often fire... You're right though, it's highly unlike she has proof all top nations do it, but I sincerily doubt we are the only team engaged in some form of spying, because I doubt Bev is delusional to the point of making that claim without some kind of smoke.... Possibly though we are the only team specifically doing so with drones - that seems probable to me. Additionally, proving spying is probably near impossible to do, which is why it's rarely (never?) punished by FIFA. You need to investigate and actually find the proof. Like I said before, had it not been for the ban on drone usage in France, this would have never seen the light of day. Edited July 31 by Obinna adding some more points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meepmeep Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Ansem said: So they all do it but we're the only ones employing a coach dumb enough to get caught at the Olympics and leaving paper trails all over the place implicating directly the men's program too Got it exactly. Minor league morons. I’m not condoning the practice but you would think the more savvy federations would go to a supporters group find someone, buy them a drone, offer them a few shirts and access to a meet and greet or tickets or something. Problem solved. If they get caught they’re just a fanatic. Instead we have a bunch of clowns emailing about their indiscretions creating a paper trail showing the national team staff knew it wasn’t kosher and even have coaches doing the drone work. There’s a big difference between “everyone does it” and what these clowns did. Edited July 31 by Meepmeep Ansem, Ivan and phresh 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg_29 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Again I'm getting the impression that Priestman carried on the practice from Herdman but was much more careless. Obinna, Ivan, Canuckia and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 39 minutes ago, Meepmeep said: exactly. Minor league morons. I’m not condoning the practice but you would think the more savvy federations would go to a supporters group find someone, buy them a drone, offer them a few shirts and access to a meet and greet or tickets or something. Problem solved. If they get caught they’re just a fanatic. ..... *COUGH* X-nay on the drone-nay.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 I could be reading it wrong, but I think what Priestman is saying is that everyone spies. Not necessarily that everyone uses drones to do it. Canuckia and Obinna 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 minute ago, narduch said: I could be reading it wrong, but I think what Priestman is saying is that everyone spies. Not necessarily that everyone uses drones to do it. A lot of it, I imagine, is how Tyler Adams described it. Obinna, narduch and Canuckia 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soro17 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 4 hours ago, Allez les Rouges said: I don't know FIFA's logic, but 6 points makes sense considering that it's the swing in points between NZ and Canada. Awarding free points to NZ might be unfair for other teams, so the way to remove any possible advantage for Canada with respect to NZ is to deduct 6 points from Canada. Of course, this ignores goal differential, which we should be glad they didn't touch. If they had made the Canada/NZ game a 3-0 forfeit, the standings heading into the final day would be: COL 3 (+1) NZL 3 (+1) FRA 3 (0) CAN 3 (-2) In that case, a draw against Colombia would still not guarantee qualification: Canada could still be eliminated with a NZL/FRA draw or unfavourable results in the other groups. So, as it turns out given results so far, the difference between the 6-point penalty and forfeiting the match vs. NZ amounts to at most a single goal in the last game against Colombia (for Canada's qualification purposes). Either way, if you win, you're in, and if you lose, you're out. Only potential difference is in case of a draw. Except usually in a forfeit you don't get -3 points, you just get zero and the other team gets 3 (with a 3-0 win). narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soro17 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, El Diego said: Wanna know something funny? When I posted the link to the decision, it wasn't redacted yet. I know the names of the analyst and HR person, heck I listed them in the post. Funny how the media are on this 2 days late. When someone isn't feeding them things, they are too lazy to investigate what was publicly available for days. "BREAKING"... lol. red card, Gian-Luca, jonovision and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soro17 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, Ansem said: So they all do it but we're the only ones employing a coach dumb enough to get caught at the Olympics and leaving paper trails all over the place implicating directly the men's program too Got it Pretty sure the CSA didn't have to turn over Bev's email. Its not like there is compelled discovery as part of this process and it pre-dates the Olympics be months. It definitely was a choice, which in hindsight might not have been the best one given the 6 point penalty (which I expect caught them off-guard, they were probably expecting -3). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Allez les Rouges Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 17 minutes ago, Soro17 said: Except usually in a forfeit you don't get -3 points, you just get zero and the other team gets 3 (with a 3-0 win). You don't get -3 points (which is why Canada would have 3). But I think you get -3 GD (with a 0-3 loss). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diego Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 14 minutes ago, Soro17 said: Pretty sure the CSA didn't have to turn over Bev's email. Its not like there is compelled discovery as part of this process and it pre-dates the Olympics be months. It definitely was a choice, which in hindsight might not have been the best one given the 6 point penalty (which I expect caught them off-guard, they were probably expecting -3). FIFA said that based on the CSA's public statements they requested the emails and that CSA has a duty to collaborate. Blue's unprompted public comments totally fucked the women and I would be absolutely pissed at him if I were them. There is no reason to volunteer this shit while one of your national teams is competing in a major tournament. frattinator and red card 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frattinator Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 This honestly has the vibes of a defendant just talking to the cops without a lawyer present. You don’t have to lie but you also don’t have to do their jobs for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckia Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, El Diego said: FIFA said that based on the CSA's public statements they requested the emails and that CSA has a duty to collaborate. Blue's unprompted public comments totally fucked the women and I would be absolutely pissed at him if I were them. There is no reason to volunteer this shit while one of your national teams is competing in a major tournament. Except that he promised us transparency from the beginning and that is exactly what he gave us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 I find it said that we have an important game in 13 minutes and everyone just wants to drone in about this Unnamed Trialist, Obinna and jonovision 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diego Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 5 minutes ago, Canuckia said: Except that he promised us transparency from the beginning and that is exactly what he gave us. He didn't know about this before? Marsch didn't inform him of drone behaviour during/after Copa? He really had no inkling about this behaviour at any point after he took over? He had to volunteer info during the Olympic tournament while the women are still competing? He has to glaze his new hire in the media at the expense of others? If we were hammering Bev for potential willful blindness (before the e-mails came out), why are we not doing the same for CSA/Blue? Lots of questions from me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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