Unnamed Trialist Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, SoCalTransport said: I find the MLS draft is more of a crapshoot, compared to drafts in other sports. It feels like you can find a diamond in the rough at any point of this draft. But most players who are drafted struggle to find playing time. The quality level is simply too high in comparison. It's a major leap, it's not like basketball or American football where a senior in NCAA could be more than ready. Because the college competition level is a major step down... NCAA basketball doesn't have "by far" the best 18-22s in the world, but probably the best, slightly over the sum of all European junior pros. In comparison, NCAA soccer teams would likely be relegated to a 6th or 7th tier amateur league in England or Spain. It isn't even a top 25 u23 league in world terms. We've seen a similar scenario with CPL and the USports draft, most of those kids aren't at all ready. Who's the most successful USports draftee in CPL history? Edited December 22, 2022 by Unnamed Trialist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigandy Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said: The quality level is simply too high in comparison. It's a major leap, it's not like basketball or American football where a senior in NCAA could be more than ready. Because the college competition level is a major step down... NCAA basketball doesn't have "by far" the best 18-22s in the world, but probably the best, slightly over the sum of all European junior pros. In comparison, NCAA soccer teams would likely be relegated to a 6th or 7th tier amateur league in England or Spain. It isn't even a top 25 u23 league in world terms. We've seen a similar scenario with CPL and the USports draft, most of those kids aren't at all ready. Who's the most successful USports draftee in CPL history? Waterman is obviously the most successful usports draftee. Clearly an exception to the rule though. Unnamed Trialist and baulderdash77 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said: The quality level is simply too high in comparison. It's a major leap, it's not like basketball or American football where a senior in NCAA could be more than ready. Because the college competition level is a major step down... NCAA basketball doesn't have "by far" the best 18-22s in the world, but probably the best, slightly over the sum of all European junior pros. In comparison, NCAA soccer teams would likely be relegated to a 6th or 7th tier amateur league in England or Spain. It isn't even a top 25 u23 league in world terms. We've seen a similar scenario with CPL and the USports draft, most of those kids aren't at all ready. Who's the most successful USports draftee in CPL history? Metusala and Sissoko on Forge were drafted. Both are regular starters. Edited December 22, 2022 by Cicero Fresh Prince of MTL and Unnamed Trialist 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 NCAA is a backup plan for players who haven't gotten picked up by a good club as teeangers- you go that route because there's some chance you develop over 3-4 years into a future pro, but if not, you also got yourself an all expenses paid bachelor's degree at an American college. The guys who got drafted yesterday are all around the same age as Alphonso Davies, for example- many players take massive leaps between 18-22, but since soccer players develop much younger than in the other big North American sports, most bonafide studs have either been identified by MLS clubs or European teams way before the D1 schools come knocking. I wonder if there's a strong negative correlation between years spent in NCAA and success at the pro level. I'm looking at the top 10 picks from the 2019 draft, and most of the players who spent 3 years in the NCAA are now in the USL. The only player from those 10 to move to europe is Tajon who played two years at Syracuse. Some exceptions there, but it seems once a player is 21 or 22 in the MLS draft, it becomes an absolute crapshoot. Ivan, Jack1997 and johnyb 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Gloire Amanda was a Heisman Trophy winner, went to Austria and hasn't done anything. Mind you, has been injured. He's 24. The level of NCAA is low and if you leave as a senior you have to start pro development at age 22. Too late. Perhaps CPL is more manageable for the U-Sports guys. yothat2 and narduch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 14 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said: Gloire Amanda was a Heisman Trophy winner, went to Austria and hasn't done anything. Mind you, has been injured. He's 24. The level of NCAA is low and if you leave as a senior you have to start pro development at age 22. Too late. Perhaps CPL is more manageable for the U-Sports guys. Hermann. Him winning the Heisman would be reason #1 for him not doing well in Austria as I think straight arms to the face generally get you some colour of card. yothat2, maccaliam, Northvansteve and 5 others 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 All players develop differently so I'm not really gonna knock someone who does 4 years of school and then goes pro. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 59 minutes ago, InglewoodJack said: NCAA is a backup plan for players who haven't gotten picked up by a good club as teeangers- you go that route because there's some chance you develop over 3-4 years into a future pro, but if not, you also got yourself an all expenses paid bachelor's degree at an American college. And you see the growing numbers of European pro club academy graduates heading to both US and Canadian colleges. Getting the ducks in a row with your life's work is probably the higher priority at this stage. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 55 minutes ago, El Hombre said: Hermann. Him winning the Heisman would be reason #1 for him not doing well in Austria as I think straight arms to the face generally get you some colour of card. I guess I should have checked that. So are they going to eventually call the best U-Sport player the Herdman Trophy? BearcatSA, Bison44, InglewoodJack and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norrin Radd Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Quick interview from the Rapids site: https://www.coloradorapids.com/video/interview-no-3-superdraft-pick-moise-bombito-reacts-to-being-drafted-to-the-rapi#interview-no-3-superdraft-pick-moise-bombito-reacts-to-being-drafted-to-the-rapi Not sure if it has been mentioned but his nickname is Moist Bomb! Can't wait to see that on the back of a Canadian jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 2 hours ago, VinceA said: All players develop differently so I'm not really gonna knock someone who does 4 years of school and then goes pro. It's not a knock- if Bombito's career bombs (hah), he still earned himself a free college education that he can use to go and start the rest of his life, and with that in your back pocket, if it doesn't work in MLS, go and travel through Europe- spend a couple years playing in Serie D and hanging out in Italy, doesn't matter, you can retire at 27 and start your next career. costarg and baulderdash77 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Norrin Radd said: Quick interview from the Rapids site: https://www.coloradorapids.com/video/interview-no-3-superdraft-pick-moise-bombito-reacts-to-being-drafted-to-the-rapi#interview-no-3-superdraft-pick-moise-bombito-reacts-to-being-drafted-to-the-rapi Not sure if it has been mentioned but his nickname is Moist Bomb! Can't wait to see that on the back of a Canadian jersey. Our players get plenty of those from Honduran fans when we play in Honduras. Guess we are hoping to give one back. Jack1997, Sal333 and Olympique_de_Marseille 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Norrin Radd said: Not sure if it has been mentioned but his nickname is Moist Bomb! 🤣🤣 That was just the automatically generated subtitles being 💩. He never says that. His name is Moise. As in the biblical prophet. Moses in English. Pronounced MOH-EEZ. Will be able to part the opposition's attack like Moses parted the Red Sea? johnyb and YorkRegionFan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 I need him to score goals, because he has the best goal call surname. Olympique_de_Marseille 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePouri Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Norrin Radd said: Not sure if it has been mentioned but his nickname is Moist Bomb! Funny, that was my nickname in college as well. Edited December 22, 2022 by PopePouri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastPros Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, PopePouri said: Funny, that was my nickname in college as well. The worst burger I ever had went by that name. jonovision and PopePouri 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norrin Radd Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said: 🤣🤣 That was just the automatically generated subtitles being 💩. He never says that. I actually thought that was what the interviewer was calling him. Isn't the french pronunciation with a 'z' sound? I watched it again and I'm still hearing moist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Norrin Radd said: I actually thought that was what the interviewer was calling him. Isn't the french pronunciation with a 'z' sound? I watched it again and I'm still hearing moist! Yes, she is an American and doesn't get the pronunciation right going with something like a fast and muffled MO-EE-SAH instead of MOH-EEZ. The auto captions failed spectacularly. Edited December 22, 2022 by Olympique_de_Marseille Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal333 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said: Yes, she is an American and doesn't get the pronunciation right going with something like a fast and muffled MO-EE-SAH instead of MOH-EEZ. The auto captions failed spectacularly. Actually, I thought I heard her say moist with the "t" a couple of times. I shut off the subtitling. No matter how American she is with her pronunciation, there is no "t" in his name. Then it hit me. She was probably referring to herself. Edited December 23, 2022 by Sal333 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phresh Posted February 27, 2023 Author Share Posted February 27, 2023 On the bench for the season opener. PastPros, Grandbloke, sebdeserio and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack1997 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 After the performance from their CBs against Seattle I wouldn’t be surprised to see him get a look next week. Corazon and Grandbloke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phresh Posted May 14, 2023 Author Share Posted May 14, 2023 Just made his MLS debut after coming back from injury FC_Hali, Approve My Account Pls, toontownman and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckgbp Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 Entered the game at 64’ NVsoccer, Chad_Impact, Corazon and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC_Hali Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 Caught the second half and, wow, this guy has the potential to become a top, top defender. Big, quick feet, moves well, good passer, strong in the air, and made defending 1v1 look easy. The broadcast team were very complimentary of him. Only thing missing is experience. I believe he was injured, so he’s only being rotated into the team now but apparently Robin Fraser is very high on him. Was also pleased to see that he played as a right-sided CB, which IIRC he played mostly on the left side in college. One to keep an eye on! Ivan, NVsoccer, Jack1997 and 9 others 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 (edited) Gold Cup for him as well. It's great all these guys are picking up steam in their careers just in time for these upcoming national team games. Edited May 18, 2023 by Macksam Kadenge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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