narduch Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Pretty sure they will doctor the draw again and Guelph will draw York nfitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 hour ago, narduch said: Pretty sure they will doctor the draw again and Guelph will draw York Likely. And I'm not sure I'd even consider a geographically logical bracket as "doctoring" in a negative sense. Even so, most L1O teams operate on a budget in the $100 000 or $150 000 range. $10 000 for Guelph for one game is a big deal for them. And for any D3 team, if they do win games, they're eventually going to have to face crippling travel costs. It's not end of the world, but it is an obstacle to the CSA increasing the D3/amateur content in the tournament. narduch, nfitz and K Edgar 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Kingston said: Likely. And I'm not sure I'd even consider a geographically logical bracket as "doctoring" in a negative sense. Even so, most L1O teams operate on a budget in the $100 000 or $150 000 range. $10 000 for Guelph for one game is a big deal for them. And for any D3 team, if they do win games, they're eventually going to have to face crippling travel costs. It's not end of the world, but it is an obstacle to the CSA increasing the D3/amateur content in the tournament. I believe Guelph has been pushing to host the match so they must be willing to spend that $10k Bbeto 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 Draw in March 9th. Byes given to TFC, Montreal, and Pacific. ted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 https://canpl.ca/article/2022-canadian-championship-schedule-other-details-revealed Jedi Ram and narduch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Kent said: https://canpl.ca/article/2022-canadian-championship-schedule-other-details-revealed The interesting thing here is that TFC, Montreal and Pacific get the bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 Little frustrated that last year the Byes were awarded based on league play and this year Byes seem to be awarded based on...well, not league play for MLS at least. I get that the tournament is evolving with new teams being added, but at least pick a method of entry and stick with it or announce changes in advance. Really just looks like they wait to see what TFC did last year. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) Would be nice to have some explanation of the pots in the article, even if the intention seems clear. Selfishly, I'd like Valour to draw Edmonton (best chance to advance) or home to Whitecaps (Valour are one of the only CPL teams yet to face an MLS side). Edited March 2, 2022 by jonovision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthBayfan001 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Very nice to see a public draw for this one! I'm guessing TFC got a bye because they're playing Forge for the 2020 final? Doesn't explain Forge though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 hour ago, jonovision said: Would be nice to have some explanation of the pots in the article, even if the intention seems clear. Selfishly, I'd like Valour to draw Edmonton (best chance to advance) or home to Whitecaps (Valour are one of the only CPL teams yet to face an MLS side). I'm not opposed to the first round being regional, but I'm also glad there's a proper draw for it as well. Jedi Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Watchmen said: Little frustrated that last year the Byes were awarded based on league play and this year Byes seem to be awarded based on...well, not league play for MLS at least. I get that the tournament is evolving with new teams being added, but at least pick a method of entry and stick with it or announce changes in advance. Really just looks like they wait to see what TFC did last year. With regards to the byes... In 2019 they determined byes by results in the 2018 Voyageurs Cup (TFC won, so they started later than everyone else, Montreal, Vancouver, and Ottawa were in it, and they all got byes). Valour, Forge, and Edmonton got byes over the newer clubs for de-facto being signed up for the Voyageurs Cup earlier, since they were founded a year (or more) earlier. In 2020 there were no Voyageurs Cup games due to the pandemic but Forge and TFC qualified for the final. The first and final game will be played in 3 months time. In 2021 Forge and TFC were given byes for making the 2020 final. They needed one more bye so they gave it to Montreal based on them making the final in 2019 (not based on league play). In 2022 Montreal and TFC get byes based on making the final. For the first time, a team is given a bye based on league play with Pacific getting a bye based on winning the CPL. I do agree though that it would be better if we knew how teams would qualify for byes before the determining results are known. Even if they gave us a tentative formula dependent on the presumed number of teams, like say next year we assume 8 CPL, 3 MLS, 1 L1O, 1 PLSQ, and 1 L1BC, tell us your idea for that. If we end up with a new CPL team, then give us a revision (or if that can be done ahead of time, even better). Trois Reds, nfitz, ted and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, Kent said: With regards to the byes... In 2019 they determined byes by results in the 2018 Voyageurs Cup (TFC won, so they started later than everyone else, Montreal, Vancouver, and Ottawa were in it, and they all got byes). Valour, Forge, and Edmonton got byes over the newer clubs for de-facto being signed up for the Voyageurs Cup earlier, since they were founded a year (or more) earlier. In 2020 there were no Voyageurs Cup games due to the pandemic but Forge and TFC qualified for the final. The first and final game will be played in 3 months time. In 2021 Forge and TFC were given byes for making the 2020 final. They needed one more bye so they gave it to Montreal based on them making the final in 2019 (not based on league play). In 2022 Montreal and TFC get byes based on making the final. For the first time, a team is given a bye based on league play with Pacific getting a bye based on winning the CPL. I do agree though that it would be better if we knew how teams would qualify for byes before the determining results are known. Even if they gave us a tentative formula dependent on the presumed number of teams, like say next year we assume 8 CPL, 3 MLS, 1 L1O, 1 PLSQ, and 1 L1BC, tell us your idea for that. If we end up with a new CPL team, then give us a revision (or if that can be done ahead of time, even better). Just curious where you saw this? Because the initial report did not mention at all how 2022 was determined, and it would have been very easy to let everyone know that was the criteria last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cblake Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Kent said: With regards to the byes... In 2019 they determined byes by results in the 2018 Voyageurs Cup (TFC won, so they started later than everyone else, Montreal, Vancouver, and Ottawa were in it, and they all got byes). Valour, Forge, and Edmonton got byes over the newer clubs for de-facto being signed up for the Voyageurs Cup earlier, since they were founded a year (or more) earlier. In 2020 there were no Voyageurs Cup games due to the pandemic but Forge and TFC qualified for the final. The first and final game will be played in 3 months time. In 2021 Forge and TFC were given byes for making the 2020 final. They needed one more bye so they gave it to Montreal based on them making the final in 2019 (not based on league play). In 2022 Montreal and TFC get byes based on making the final. For the first time, a team is given a bye based on league play with Pacific getting a bye based on winning the CPL. I do agree though that it would be better if we knew how teams would qualify for byes before the determining results are known. Even if they gave us a tentative formula dependent on the presumed number of teams, like say next year we assume 8 CPL, 3 MLS, 1 L1O, 1 PLSQ, and 1 L1BC, tell us your idea for that. If we end up with a new CPL team, then give us a revision (or if that can be done ahead of time, even better). I am not too worried about this because in 2023 you will have at least 14 teams in the tournament. At this point I would just and find a way to get it to 16. If there is a CPL expansion team in say Vancouver, you would just have to figure out a 16th team. If you did not have a 9th CPL team you would sift Edm or Calgary to the Pacific group and shuffle around the other groups if the 16th team was a second L1O entry. It would be regional draws within your groups, which is essentially what the US Open Cup does too. West Pacific Whitecaps Pacific Lower Mainland CPL L1BC Midwest Edmonton Cavalry Valvour EAST Ontario Toronto FC York Forge L10 East Montreal Ottawa Halifax PLSQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 So the hissyfits over byes for MLS rather than previous cup performance were premature and as I initially suspected the journalist from Guelph had simply got that one detail wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, Kent said: https://canpl.ca/article/2022-canadian-championship-schedule-other-details-revealed Also interesting that, if I'm understanding things correctly, one of the D3 teams is guaranteed to make the quarter finals while everyone else has to beat a CPL or MLS team to get there. Another of the little quirks to make the bracket work, I guess. Or is that not how Pot 3 works? Edited March 3, 2022 by Kingston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longlugan Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 7 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said: So the hissyfits over byes for MLS rather than previous cup performance were premature and as I initially suspected the journalist from Guelph had simply got that one detail wrong. Everybody here already knows that you have soccerball all figured out and we should just defer to your infinite knowledge but it is appreciated that you keep reminding us on an almost daily basis. Keep up the good work. 👏 Jedi Ram and Stanley 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Kingston said: Also interesting that, if I'm understanding things correctly, one of the D3 teams is guaranteed to make the quarter finals while everyone else has to beat a CPL or MLS team to get there. Another of the little quirks to make the bracket work, I guess. Or is that not how Pot 3 works? I assume Pot 3 teams will be drawn against Pot 2 East teams. Then the remaining two Pot 2 East teams will play each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 13 hours ago, Watchmen said: Just curious where you saw this? Because the initial report did not mention at all how 2022 was determined, and it would have been very easy to let everyone know that was the criteria last year. The 2022 information came from the canpl.ca link I posted further up. https://canpl.ca/article/2022-canadian-championship-schedule-other-details-revealed "and three teams — including 2021 finalists CF Montréal and Toronto FC, and reigning CPL champions Pacific FC — getting byes to the quarter-final stage." It doesn't specifically say those are the reasons why they got byes, but it seems implied to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 I guess they would need to find a reason to choose between Pacific and Forge as beaten semi-finalists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 35 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said: I guess they would need to find a reason to choose between Pacific and Forge as beaten semi-finalists. Umm, let me take a guess. Because Pacific won the League Championship? nfitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Kent said: I assume Pot 3 teams will be drawn against Pot 2 East teams. Then the remaining two Pot 2 East teams will play each other. Ah. Then putting the two D3 teams in their own pot is a way to ensure they don't get drawn against each other. That makes more sense. Edited March 3, 2022 by Kingston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 13 hours ago, Cblake said: I am not too worried about this because in 2023 you will have at least 14 teams in the tournament. At this point I would just and find a way to get it to 16. If there is a CPL expansion team in say Vancouver, you would just have to figure out a 16th team. If you did not have a 9th CPL team you would sift Edm or Calgary to the Pacific group and shuffle around the other groups if the 16th team was a second L1O entry. It would be regional draws within your groups, which is essentially what the US Open Cup does too. West Pacific Whitecaps Pacific Lower Mainland CPL L1BC Midwest Edmonton Cavalry Valvour EAST Ontario Toronto FC York Forge L10 East Montreal Ottawa Halifax PLSQ Midwest? We call that the Prairies in Canada no? Also Ontario is Ontario but BC is Pacific? 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 20 minutes ago, SpursFlu said: Midwest? We call that the Prairies in Canada no? Also Ontario is Ontario but BC is Pacific? 😉 Or else: Ottawa and places out east Toronto and surroundings Out west Way out west Trois Reds, ted, chalms04 and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfitz Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 On 3/3/2022 at 1:01 PM, SpursFlu said: Midwest? We call that the Prairies in Canada no? I wouldn't call Winnipeg the Prairies. The fens might be more accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 According to the Schedule on One Soccer they will have a live draw show at 9pm ET on Wednesday. The Montreal CCL march will follow at 10pm Trois Reds 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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