mrstepp817 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 US squad is already going to have to make a change as Weah is out w/injury just came across their twitter narduch and johnyb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 I will bet Atiba does one of two things: 1) flies back to Istanbul after the US game or 2) hangs out in Toronto between the two home matches. My guess is 1). CanadianSoccerFan and BrennanFan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trc2014 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, CanadaFan123 said: Taking intentional yellows would be nonsensical at this stage and with this format IMO. It made sense in the Gold Cup but it doesn't make sense here. This is more akin to a league format and every game is important. We have a squad with depth and we should let the cards fall as they may and trust our players to get the job done. Just to play devil's advocate - if Davies were to miss any match I would probably want him to miss ES at home anyhow. I agree we shouldn’t be taking intentional yellows but I don’t agree that the US away game is as important as the ES home game. king1010 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 I really want us to put our best out versus the Americans. Two reasons: so I can see with my own eyes how good we really are and so we can shut their mouths again since they keep saying online that we didn’t beat their best in October 2019. Bobcat, Unnamed Trialist, johnyb and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, JamboAl said: I will bet Atiba does one of two things: 1) flies back to Istanbul after the US game or 2) hangs out in Toronto between the two home matches. My guess is 1). Why is that? Even if they rest him I would hope he stays around the team ala Cavallini. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Just now, trc2014 said: I agree we shouldn’t be taking intentional yellows but I don’t agree that the US away game is as important as the ES home game. That's not my point. My line of thinking is that we should be able to beat ES at home even without Davies. CanadianSoccerFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 I think they will have a conservative plan for Atiba (start vs Honduras available as a sub vs ES). With a 23 man squad and Cavallini's injury we're already short so I would hope Atiba sticks around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Just now, CanadaFan123 said: Why is that? Even if they rest him I would hope he stays around the team ala Cavallini. I would love him to stay as part of the leadership group, and he may do so by choice. Perhaps I read too much into what happened in March; and El Salvador is definitely not the Caymans. CanadaFan123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trc2014 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Just now, CanadaFan123 said: That's not my point. My line of thinking is that we should be able to beat ES at home even without Davies. Agree that we should be - but anything can happen and would rather have Davies and put us in the best place to get the 3 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrstepp817 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Alex said: I really want us to put our best out versus the Americans. Two reasons: so I can see with my own eyes how good we really are and so we can shut their mouths again since they keep saying online that we didn’t beat their best in October 2019. There's going to be a game where everyone has to play a lineup that is not full of first choice players..everyone has to play the long game and weigh the risk/reward... I think the ratio is out of whack personally for Canada to throw out their best lineup vs the US on the road and then in that final game at home you throw out a mostly 2nd choice team because its a 3rd game in 7 days...the odds of a loss away vs the US even w/a first choice squad & then possibly drawing a desperate ES squad at home increase greatly and would be a borderline disaster.. king1010 and dyslexic nam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Alex said: I really want us to put our best out versus the Americans. Two reasons: so I can see with my own eyes how good we really are and so we can shut their mouths again since they keep saying online that we didn’t beat their best in October 2019. I'd have to disagree. We have to put our pride aside and think strategically and long term to secure that 3rd or 4th place. Dropped points at home vs Honduras and El Salvador would be disasterous, a loss to the States not so much. IMO top squads should be dressed vs Honduras and El Salvador, take care of business those two games, anything else against the States is gravy. Edited August 30, 2021 by king1010 Kadenge, Bobcat, canuckgbp and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrstepp817 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, king1010 said: I'd have to disagree. We have to put our pride aside and think strategically and long term to secure that 3rd or 4th place. Dropped points at home vs Honduras and El Salvador would be disasterous, a loss to the States not so much. IMO top squads should be dressed vs Honduras and El Salvador, take care of business those two games, anything else against the States is gravy. Exactly...I think you play the rotational lineup on the road in Nashville and you muck it up and maybe if its tied late or you are down a goal you bring in your big guns for the last 20 min. and make a run at a late goal to steal a point or three lamptern, king1010, Floortom and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, king1010 said: I'd have to disagree. We have to put our pride aside and think strategically and long term to secure that 3rd or 4th place. Dropped points at home vs Honduras and El Salvador would be disasterous, a loss to the States not so much. IMO top squads should be dressed vs Honduras and El Salvador, take care of business those two games, anything else against the States is gravy. Agreed. Any sort of revenge mission against the US needs to take a (very distant) backseat to optimizing our point tally. Any risk of stumbling against ES at home needs to be minimized. And if that means we have to deal with a bit of US gloating, so be it. Qatar is the goal. Eyes on the prize. king1010, A_Gagne and Sal333 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, narduch said: Surprised they are staying that far away from BMO Field. 1) Easier access for travel in a coach bus and cheaper 2 hours ago, Cblake said: Absolutely, I do wonder where they end up training. Have they made a deal with the Oakville Soccer Club or something similar to use their fields? 2) We aren't actually giving them access to train at BMO Field until the day before (Wednesday). The day before is the minimum that is required (should the away team request it). Edited August 30, 2021 by Olympique_de_Marseille Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said: 1) Easier access for travel in a coach bus and cheaper I understand the cheaper part but don't get what you mean about "easier access for travel". How would travelling from Oakville be easier than downtown Toronto? narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, RS said: I understand the cheaper part but don't get what you mean about "easier access for travel". How would travelling from Oakville be easier than downtown Toronto? Sorry, I should have been clearer, assuming the are travelling to some suburban training pitches (Oakville) just as often (or more often) than they are to BMO Field. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, RS said: I understand the cheaper part but don't get what you mean about "easier access for travel". How would travelling from Oakville be easier than downtown Toronto? Maybe they just got a great hotwire deal? 😅 RS, Olympique_de_Marseille, CanadianSoccerFan and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 48 minutes ago, Alex said: I really want us to put our best out versus the Americans. Two reasons: so I can see with my own eyes how good we really are and so we can shut their mouths again since they keep saying online that we didn’t beat their best in October 2019. And another reason: they may be coming back from El Salvador tired, or with a poor result, and vulnerable. So you absolutely must hit them as hard as possible. I don't mind the speculations about rotation or priorities, but it has to go only one way: first match, the best XI and best subs for the result. Next day: reset, same thing all over again. Repeat twelve more times. xabuep2 and apbsmith 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said: Sorry, I should have been clearer, assuming the are travelling to some suburban training pitches (Oakville) just as often (or more often) than they are to BMO Field. Yes, that makes sense. At least TFC didn't (presumably) rent time at their training ground to the Hondurans like they did for Panama back in 2012 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said: And another reason: they may be coming back from El Salvador tired, or with a poor result, and vulnerable. So you absolutely must hit them as hard as possible. I don't mind the speculations about rotation or priorities, but it has to go only one way: first match, the best XI and best subs for the result. Next day: reset, same thing all over again. Repeat twelve more times. I'd argue the opposite, if they come back from El Salvador with less than 3 points, they're going to be like a wounded animal and hellbent on securing 3 points at home vs Canada. With regards to playing the best XI every match and resetting the next day with the same thing all over again, sure it's great in theory, but in reality isn't feasible when you have 3 games in 6 days. Edited August 30, 2021 by king1010 CanadaFan123, canuckgbp, An Observer and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 40 minutes ago, king1010 said: I'd have to disagree. We have to put our pride aside and think strategically and long term to secure that 3rd or 4th place. Dropped points at home vs Honduras and El Salvador would be disasterous, a loss to the States not so much. IMO top squads should be dressed vs Honduras and El Salvador, take care of business those two games, anything else against the States is gravy. This is the soft, non-competitive mentality that gets us screwed over and over again. And also explains a lot about other things. You have to play the first match. Next day, rest and check knocks; and that afternoon, work on the tactics for the next match. Then restart. The US could be coming back from El Salvador vulnerable, having travelled far more than us, with a tighter turnaround, and maybe coming off not winning in ES. It is in fact one of our best chances to take away points due to scheduling, it is optimal. But you figure it can be squandered, lucky you are not on the team staff. Anyways, what dummy thinks gravy is worth anything, it's unhealthy, it's on poutine. And poutine is just a runny joke. Ivan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Squad rotation is a must and with the depth we have we would be foolish not to. If this were past Canada squads I would probably be more inclined to favour a similar XI each game as we simply had too much of a drop off from starters. king1010 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said: This is the soft, non-competitive mentality that gets us screwed over and over again. And also explains a lot about other things. You have to play the first match. Next day, rest and check knocks; and that afternoon, work on the tactics for the next match. Then restart. The US could be coming back from El Salvador vulnerable, having travelled far more than us, with a tighter turnaround, and maybe coming off not winning in ES. It is in fact one of our best chances to take away points due to scheduling, it is optimal. But you figure it can be squandered, lucky you are not on the team staff. Anyways, what dummy thinks gravy is worth anything, it's unhealthy, it's on poutine. And poutine is just a runny joke. Ya we'll have to agree to disagree. And I don't appreciate the personal attacks. Cheers. lamptern, El Hombre, dyslexic nam and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) Although I did suggest the yellow card thing earlier (which was more if the team itself is going to make this rotation a designated strategy) I fully agree there is no reason that these guys can't play 210-240 minutes over the three matches. Especially with the five subs, Borjan/Davies/David/Buchanan/Eustaquio/whatever 3 CB's they like should be starting every match. e: Larin in this window too with Cavallini not being healthy. Edited August 30, 2021 by theaub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baulderdash77 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 hours ago, BrennanFan said: Davies David Buchanan Osorio Eustaquio Hutchinson Laryea Kennedy Vitoria Johnston Borjan This formation morphs into a 3-5-2 with Davies and Laryea as wingbacks quite easily. Larin, Hoilett, Kaye sit. Tough to sit Larin but I think he is the natural sub for David, and Buchanan is our most in form player. We need Laryea's toughness and Concacafyness out there and Buchanan scores when he plays closer to goal. Osorio always does well for Canada at BMO, he will be a beast out there. Borjan has the experience to get the job done. Wouldn't be surprised if Crepeau gets a game this window. I like this a lot except I’d play a 4-2-3-1 and drop Osorio for Larin and have David slide in at AM. A top 4 of Davies, David, Larin and Buchanan is likely the best front 4 in all of CONCACAF and without a doubt the best top 4 that Canada has ever fielded. lenny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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