WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 48 minutes ago, costarg said: Shall we resume this topic? Anyone still convinced we have the back 3 we need for the ocho? I'm soo not convinced. I know its a small sample size but Scott Kennedy seems to make a big difference. dyslexic nam, cronaldo7, NVsoccer and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccMan Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: I know its a small sample size but Scott Kennedy seems to make a big difference. Looked good in the 3 games but still need to see more of him it’s unfortunate he could not play at the Gold Cup he is one guy that could have used the Gold Cup to gain more experience at the national level. Club Linesman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Just now, SoccMan said: Looked good in the 3 games but still need to see more of him it’s unfortunate he could not play at the Gold Cup he is one guy that could have used the Gold Cup to gain more experience at the national level. Honestly, I don’t think I need to see a lot more of him. Vitoria looked pretty damn shaky tonight and Doneil was a mixed bag. I think Kennedy steps into our starting defensive lineup when everyone is healthy. Nate3322, TOcanadafan, king1010 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, SoccMan said: Looked good in the 3 games but still need to see more of him it’s unfortunate he could not play at the Gold Cup he is one guy that could have used the Gold Cup to gain more experience at the national level. I do agree on the experience point, especially playing a 3, which requires some different awareness. Shame he is not with the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 I thought most of our problems on Défense were related to the midfield giving the ball away and putting us under pressure. Or Crepeau on one occasion. That being said, it wasn’t like they were great at covering that danger. of course, Vitoria had a shocking error that should have been a goal for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 20 minutes ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: I know its a small sample size but Scott Kennedy seems to make a big difference. One player out of three won't miraculously change a back 3 system and make the other 2 suddenly solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 This might sound crazy but perhaps we should consider playing a traditional 4 at the back some times. El Hombre, Addona, An Observer and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, costarg said: One player out of three won't miraculously change a back 3 system and make the other 2 suddenly solid. There were mistakes all over the place including midfield but in my opinion, Miller looked the least comfortable in the system and when we played better version of the same team, a back 3 looked a lot more solid. I would like to keep working this system if that is how we are going use Davies in WCQ. Tajon seems to be deputizing pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 I honestly didn't think Miller was that bad compared to what others think. Maybe I need to re-watch the match again. I saw both Henry and Vitoria give the ball away more (although as I said, most of that came from the midfield). And Vitoria almost gifted them a goal and was terrible marking on their goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePouri Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Henry was exposed a lot, but I think most of the team was woeful outside of Eustaquio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePouri Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Oh, US just game up a penalty from some bad defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 If we want to play out of the back, we need passing CBs Henry is not a passing CBs. Vitoria looked old out there today. Kennedy and Ferreira are our best passing CBs. Yes Ferreira played one game for Canada but if you watched him in club football you will see his skill. Again just made of glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Just saw the match highlights. Yikes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOcanadafan Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Johnston - Vitoria/Henry (not sure) - Kennedy. This is it at the moment. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 10 hours ago, An Observer said: I honestly didn't think Miller was that bad compared to what others think. Maybe I need to re-watch the match again. I saw both Henry and Vitoria give the ball away more (although as I said, most of that came from the midfield). And Vitoria almost gifted them a goal and was terrible marking on their goal. I thought he was awful. Worst of the 3 last night by far. Didn’t seem to think ahead when he was on the ball. Would attempt to break the lines, get closed down, and simply give away the ball or put others in compromising positions with gernade-like passes. Ball constantly got stuck on his side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, ag futbol said: I thought he was awful. Worst of the 3 last night by far. Didn’t seem to think ahead when he was on the ball. Would attempt to break the lines, get closed down, and simply give away the ball or put others in compromising positions with gernade-like passes. Ball constantly got stuck on his side. Ask Orlando fans - Miller just doesn’t have the quality on the ball to be used in that way. Stick him in the middle of a back 4 and it’s not as big a deal though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Like I mentioned in the match thread, it's good we made these defensive mistakes against Haiti so the team should be fully aware of the limitations present. We can't do this again against the USA. Dike will capitalize on said mistakes unlike the Haitians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 11 hours ago, narduch said: This might sound crazy but perhaps we should consider playing a traditional 4 at the back some times. The 352 still is best suited for our crop of players. Our defence has consistently looked shaky when Vitoria and Doneil are lined up beside each other. Their skillsets don’t compliment each other. So a back four won’t make a difference to me, if it means the both of them in there. (2 of our best 3 cbs) Gian-Luca 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 To add, I feel more comfortable when Doneil or Vitoria have two guys beside them. With a pacey player, those guys will be beat as we seen last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 I think one of the issues we ran into defensively is the lack of a destroyer. Piette as soon as he came on was putting out fires quickly. Ivan, aredding77, dyslexic nam and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Miller is very left footed. I dont think he has attempted a pass with his right. If our mids did not give up the ball as frequently as they did last night our defenders would have performed better but I'm not sure 3 at the back given the players we have in this squad is going to work vs the teams we play in the next 2 matches. It's really unfortunate we are missing Kennedy as it would give JH a clear idea as to whether or not playing a 3-5-2 is the way to go into the Ocho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, VinceA said: I think one of the issues we ran into defensively is the lack of a destroyer. Piette as soon as he came on was putting out fires quickly. He did look good but coming on as a sub is very different than starting and playing the first 60/70 minutes. In any event, Piette probably starts vs the US Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Floortom said: Ask Orlando fans - Miller just doesn’t have the quality on the ball to be used in that way. Stick him in the middle of a back 4 and it’s not as big a deal though. We should go to a CB pairing at least once in this tournament. I don’t think Miller is a write off by any means. But we’ve got to use him in a way that creates a better performance than the one we saw yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Kadenge said: He did look good but coming on as a sub is very different than starting and playing the first 60/70 minutes. In any event, Piette probably starts vs the US With Moustaquio out for the US game (and yes, I am sticking with that) I don’t think there is any doubt about Piette starting. If he isn’t on the field at kickoff I would very much question Herdman’s thought process. WestHamCanadianinOxford and Ivan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addona Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 The 3-5-2 scares me, given what I've seen. Perhaps with the crop for this tournament, that's all we can do, but with guys like Adekugbe and Johnston/Laryea, I don't see why we don't go with a back 4, with Kennedy and Vitoria/Henry as the CBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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