WCQ: Canada vs Suriname - Tuesday, June 8th, 9:05pm Eastern/6:05pm Pacific - SeatGeek Stadium, Chicago

[Obinna]

3 hours ago, TGAA_Star said:

Oh well...he isn't really all that needed anyway tbh

I even called it before Wheeler. Where are my press credentials? 😎

[Obinna]

Not sure if anyone has done this yet...

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/suriname/startseite/verein/15359

1

	Warner Hahn
	Goalkeeper

28£900Th.  

13

	Claidel Kohinor
	Goalkeeper

29 

23

	Ishan Kort
	Goalkeeper

20 

15

	Ryan Donk
	Centre-Back

35£855Th.  

19

	Shaquille Pinas
	Centre-Back

23£855Th.  

12

	Myenty Abena
	Centre-Back

26£540Th.  

3

	Ramon Leeuwin
	Centre-Back

33£360Th.  

-

	Ridgeciano Haps
	Left-Back

27£4.05m  

2

	Damil Dankerlui
	Right-Back

24£900Th.  

18

	Kelvin Leerdam
	Right-Back

30£900Th.  

4

	Dion Malone
	Defensive Midfield

32£450Th.  

-

	Ryan Koolwijk
	Central Midfield

35£315Th.  

-

	Mitchell Donald
	Central Midfield

32£270Th.  

21

	Diego Biseswar
	Attacking Midfield

33£900Th.  

10

	Tjaronn Chery
	Attacking Midfield

32£720Th.  

8

	Roland Alberg
	Attacking Midfield

30£450Th.  

-

	Ivenzo Comvalius
	Left Winger

23£90Th.  

17

	Dimitrie Apai
	Left Winger

26 

-

	Sheraldo Becker
	Right Winger

26£2.70m  

7

	Florian Jozefzoon
	Right Winger

30£720Th.  

-

	Mitchell te Vrede
	Centre-Forward

29£855Th.  

9

	Nigel Hasselbaink
	Centre-Forward

30£315Th.  

20

	Gleofilo Vlijter
	Centre-Forward

21£135Th.  

 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kanada/startseite/verein/3510

Milan Borjan   Goalkeeper	33		£1.80m
16	Maxime Crépeau   Goalkeeper	27		£1.08m
1	Dayne St. Clair   Goalkeeper	24		£900Th.
21	Ricardo Ferreira   Centre-Back	28		£270Th.
5	Steven Vitória   Centre-Back	34		£180Th.
15	Frank Sturing   Centre-Back	23		£180Th.
20	Joel Waterman   Centre-Back	25		£180Th.
19	Alphonso Davies   Left-Back	20		£67.50m
4	Kamal Miller   Left-Back	24		£720Th.
12	Cristián Gutiérrez   Left-Back	24		£720Th.
3	Sam Adekugbe   Left-Back	26		£360Th.
22	Richie Laryea   Right-Back	26		£2.25m
2	Alistair Johnston   Right-Back	22		£1.80m
7	Stephen Eustáquio   Defensive Midfield	24		£3.60m
6	Samuel Piette   Defensive Midfield	26		£1.80m
14	Mark-Anthony Kaye   Central Midfield	26		£5.40m
13	Atiba Hutchinson     Central Midfield	38		£540Th.
8	David Wotherspoon   Attacking Midfield	31		£450Th.
9	Cyle Larin   Left Winger	26		£9.90m
10	Junior Hoilett   Left Winger	30		£1.62m
-	Jayden Nelson   Left Winger	18		£900Th.
23	Liam Millar   Left Winger	21		£45Th.
11	Lucas Cavallini   Centre-Forward	28		£4.05m
17	Theo Corbeanu   Centre-Forward	19

[lenny]

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

@lenny  @Obinna

Although Transfermarkt is a little off to say the least (Millar undervalued, Nelson overvalued is a great example) the fact that this Suriname squad has surpassed Honduras should scare us.

Everyone needs to give themselves "We are playing Honduras" level of expectations regarding this match.

 

[Obinna]

2 minutes ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

@lenny  @Obinna

Although Transfermarkt is a little off to say the least (Millar undervalued, Nelson overvalued is a great example) the fact that this Suriname squad has surpassed Honduras should scare us.

Everyone needs to give themselves "We are playing Honduras" level of expectations regarding this match.

 

For sure. The other thing is that Transfermarkt overinflates young players due to their potential. 

Suriname have a veteran group, so players like Donk (and Hutchinson to be fair) are better than their valuations suggest.

Aside from the nerves of beating them, I am genuinely curious to see how they look. They are good on paper, but looking at some of the individual player pages on wiki, it doesn't seem like some of these guys are playing much despite being at good clubs. 

[CanadaFan123]

Interesting that our value is so high and it's missing our second most valuable player in David ($33 M). So our squad value is actually about $162M+.

 

Crazy that even without David and Davies we would still be #3 in CONCACAF too.

Edited May 21, 2021 by CanadaFan123

[Obinna]

4 minutes ago, CanadaFan123 said:

Interesting that our value is so high and it's missing our second most valuable player in David ($33 M). So our squad value is actually about $162M+.

 

Crazy that even without David and Davies we would still be #3 in CONCACAF too.

I am assuming Leon Bailey is missing from the Jamaica valuation though. He's good for $30M I think.

If you add Bailey, would we still be ahead of Jamaica without Davies/David?

[Floortom]

41 minutes ago, CanadaFan123 said:

Interesting that our value is so high and it's missing our second most valuable player in David ($33 M). So our squad value is actually about $162M+.

 

Crazy that even without David and Davies we would still be #3 in CONCACAF too.

I’m assuming the $129m includes David. I don’t see how we have $60m excluding AD and JD.

[Obinna]

3 minutes ago, Floortom said:

I’m assuming the $129m includes David. I don’t see how we have $60m excluding AD and JD.

Just estimating off the top of my head...

Larin 10, Osorio 6, Kaye 6, Cavallini 4.5, Eustaquio 4, Laryea 2.5, Piette 2, Johnston 2...that's 40ish

Hoilett 2, Arfield 2, Borjan 2, Crepeau 1.5, Buchanan 1, Nelson 1, St. Clair 1, Brault-Guillard 1, Miller 1, Guiterrez 1, Fraser 1, Cornelius 0.75, Hutchinson 0.5, Akindele 0.5, Wotherspoon 0.5...that's 16ish

So that's pretty close to 60M

 

[N1ckbr0wn]

28 minutes ago, Floortom said:

I’m assuming the $129m includes David. I don’t see how we have $60m excluding AD and JD.

It’s does not include david

[Alex]

When I have time I really want to look more in depth at Suriname. Right now I see guys playing in second division Croatia, India, Saudi Arabia and Trinidad. Three guys in Israel and Another in Cyprus. Two more (Breda and Almere city) are in the Dutch second division. I’m not saying they aren’t good but just put it in perspective.   

[Floortom]

33 minutes ago, Alex said:

When I have time I really want to look more in depth at Suriname. Right now I see guys playing in second division Croatia, India, Saudi Arabia and Trinidad. Three guys in Israel and Another in Cyprus. Two more (Breda and Almere city) are in the Dutch second division. I’m not saying they aren’t good but just put it in perspective.   

They have a ~10 guys playing at clubs that would get them a look from Canada. I’m not saying all those guys would get called to a Canadian roster but they’re playing at high level clubs (relative to Canadian standards at least). More then a few are on the wrong side of 30 though.

[CanadaFan123]

5 hours ago, Floortom said:

I’m assuming the $129m includes David. I don’t see how we have $60m excluding AD and JD.

Just look for yourself - it’s our 2021 squad, which doesn’t include David or even a value for Corbeanu. David and Davies alone are worth $115M together. If Millar and Corbeanu were valued appropriately we would be even higher.
 

Kaye and Osorio are the two most valuable domestics (Canada/ USA) in MLS. Larin is worth 12 M, Laryea is the most valuable RB in MLS. Our values are pretty high all around even excluding David/Davies. 

Edited May 21, 2021 by CanadaFan123

[Kadenge]

Remko Bicenti's hiring could pay divs in this game. He's gotta be familiar with a lot of the Dutch based players

[BearcatSA]

When does this roster get announced so we can debate the inclusions/exclusions?

[TGAA_Star]

10 minutes ago, BearcatSA said:

When does this roster get announced so we can debate the inclusions/exclusions?

I think they unveil it either on the 31st or on June 1st directly

[Alex]

It was stated on Twitter “late this week” so I assume tomorrow or Friday. 

[MtlMario]

I really can't wait for this game to happen so people (some) can stop worrying about Suriname.

[TGAA_Star]

1 hour ago, MtlMario said:

I really can't wait for this game to happen so people (some) can stop worrying about Suriname.

Even so how can you not worry especially because we made the mistake of underestimating Haiti back in 2019 and look at how that turned out. My point being we cannot take Suriname lightly not even for a second.

[MtlMario]

5 minutes ago, TGAA_Star said:

Even so how can you not worry especially because we made the mistake of underestimating Haiti back in 2019 and look at how that turned out. My point being we cannot take Suriname lightly not even for a second.

I'm not taking them lightly, I'm saying we're gonna kick their asses.😎

[Kadenge]

3 minutes ago, MtlMario said:

I'm not taking them lightly, I'm saying we're gonna kick their asses.😎

show me the money 

[BearcatSA]

20 hours ago, MtlMario said:

I really can't wait for this game to happen so people (some) can stop worrying about Suriname.

And I really can't wait for this game to happen so I don't have to read any more posts about debating transfer values.  

I'm looking forward to how we set up and play as a unit.  I'm curious about the CB pairing. 

We play to our potential and we move on.  

[Obinna]

I wonder how big of a factor age will be for Suriname?

3 our of 7 forwards 29 years and older, 3 out of 7 defenders 30 years and older, and all 6 of their midfielders are 30 and over. Most of them have just gone through a full European season, plus they have more travel than we do and a more difficult match up leading up to their game with us. 

I know it's a one-off, but maybe they'll unravel in the 2nd half as all those factors come into play. 

[TGAA_Star]

Less than a week and a half away until our match. I mean knowing Herdman, when he unveils this squad for the Suriname match, we probably see most of our usuals but if we get new faces also for this match, then I can only imagine which new faces we see. Hopefully he just calls up the right guys or he just calls guys who are in form. We certainly do not need stars out of form and it ends up costing us the damn game.

[narduch]

They unveiled the Women's squad for their pre Olympic friendlies today. 

I guess Men's team is announced tomorrow