MtlMario Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 On 5/30/2021 at 11:43 AM, Olympique_de_Marseille said: I think Arfield, just like @MtlMario is underestimating Suriname. I am far from convinced that there will be any fall matches. I am just as worried about Suriname as I was 5 years ago in San Pedro Sula. I think deep down inside you wish I'm right though.😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted May 31, 2021 Author Share Posted May 31, 2021 16 minutes ago, MtlMario said: I think deep down inside you wish I'm right though.😀 Of course I hope you are right; I just don't think it's realistic. PiedPilko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtlMario Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 We'll know by next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 If we cruise through these games and we look solid in the midfield, Arfield should not be called in September. That is the risk players take by missing camps. In September, if Arfield is playing well with his club, wants to come back and play, and our MLS midfielders haven't stepped up their games in WCQ, or the GC, then we will see him back. LeoH037, narduch and Shway 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 100% you can't pick and choose when to play for the national team, full stop. Anyone who has refused a call up should be banned for life. Unless you are... Atiba Hutchinson Lucas Cavallini Stephen Eustaquio Junior Hoilett Steven Vitoria Did I miss anyone else from this camp? I'm not 100% sure about Eustaquio but 2 years under the Portuguese flag makes me think he probably could have played for us sooner than he did. Grandbloke, Bison44, Ruffian and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 Kent, dont forget Larin, MAK and maybe Baldisimo (if he commits and develops really good). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 37 minutes ago, Kent said: 100% you can't pick and choose when to play for the national team, full stop. Anyone who has refused a call up should be banned for life. Unless you are... Atiba Hutchinson Lucas Cavallini Stephen Eustaquio Junior Hoilett Steven Vitoria Did I miss anyone else from this camp? I'm not 100% sure about Eustaquio but 2 years under the Portuguese flag makes me think he probably could have played for us sooner than he did. I don't think Eustaquio was called at any point before he was playing with Portugals U21 team. And from interviews he gave his plan was to always play for Portugal at youth level then switch over to Canada. One might remember reports of him inviting Zambrano to see him play and Zambrano ignoring him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 34 minutes ago, VinceA said: I don't think Eustaquio was called at any point before he was playing with Portugals U21 team. And from interviews he gave his plan was to always play for Portugal at youth level then switch over to Canada. One might remember reports of him inviting Zambrano to see him play and Zambrano ignoring him. Again, Kents joining in on the attempts to be funny. But I can’t remember Vitoria skipping out on any camps, nor Hoilett - only that they held out/took long to make a decision to commit. Totally different. Cavallini is probably the only one, but he doesn’t get put on a pedestal here or nor was given the armband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoH037 Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 8 hours ago, BrennanFan said: If we cruise through these games and we look solid in the midfield, Arfield should not be called in September. That is the risk players take by missing camps. In September, if Arfield is playing well with his club, wants to come back and play, and our MLS midfielders haven't stepped up their games in WCQ, or the GC, then we will see him back. could have just compressed that entire statement to: "In September, if Arfield is playing well with his club, wants to come back and play then we will see him back" BrennanFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Kent said: 100% you can't pick and choose when to play for the national team, full stop. Anyone who has refused a call up should be banned for life. Unless you are... Atiba Hutchinson Lucas Cavallini Stephen Eustaquio Junior Hoilett Steven Vitoria Did I miss anyone else from this camp? I'm not 100% sure about Eustaquio but 2 years under the Portuguese flag makes me think he probably could have played for us sooner than he did. I'm fact no one said ban. We said you have to justify absences, and can't cherry pick. A player who is not committed and can't justify absences has less chance of playing further on just because he feels like it one day. Our real problem is our results don't show continuity, so we are always starting over. Which is like a mass pardon every couple of years. Shway and MtlMario 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 9 hours ago, Shway said: Again, Kents joining in on the attempts to be funny. But I can’t remember Vitoria skipping out on any camps, nor Hoilett - only that they held out/took long to make a decision to commit. Totally different. Cavallini is probably the only one, but he doesn’t get put on a pedestal here or nor was given the armband. Vitoria didn't take a long time to commit, he actually played for another country on Canadian soil. That I'll never forgive. He only took a long time to see if he remained in that country's plans. Henry and Kennedy for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 9 hours ago, Shway said: Again, Kents joining in on the attempts to be funny. But I can’t remember Vitoria skipping out on any camps, nor Hoilett - only that they held out/took long to make a decision to commit. Totally different. Cavallini is probably the only one, but he doesn’t get put on a pedestal here or nor was given the armband. Those guys were called, and didn't come. How is "I'm going to wait years to see if another country will let me play for them" or "I don't wanna do international football now, I want to focus on my club" more legitimate than someone that perhaps is worn out from a long season? LeoH037 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said: I'm fact no one said ban. We said you have to justify absences, and can't cherry pick. A player who is not committed and can't justify absences has less chance of playing further on just because he feels like it one day. Our real problem is our results don't show continuity, so we are always starting over. Which is like a mass pardon every couple of years. Who do the absences need to be justified to? Us? Or the coach? No doubt if the coach doesn't think Arfield's absence is justified, he won't call him again. We can only speculate what Arfield's reason is. At this point it doesn't look good, but if it is the worst that we are expecting, he wouldn't accept another call anyways. Ruffian and johnyb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 But back to the Aruba match we are less than 4 days away from it. The anticipation is almost killing me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 55 minutes ago, Kent said: Who do the absences need to be justified to? Us? Or the coach? No doubt if the coach doesn't think Arfield's absence is justified, he won't call him again. We can only speculate what Arfield's reason is. At this point it doesn't look good, but if it is the worst that we are expecting, he wouldn't accept another call anyways. And his praises should be done. Moving on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 Our team has guys that played for other nations, refused to play for us when called, strung us along for years hoping to get calls from other teams, ran down the program, said they didnt feel CDN and wished they hadnt played for Canada. And now you advocate taking a hard line with guys that skip a camp when they are coming off an injury and are prob not match fit anyways?? If we can welcome in Cav, Vitoria, Hoilett, Akinola, Singh, Eustaquio, Leutweiler, Sturing, Feriera, TWardek, Wotherspoon and Arfield in the first place then I think we can agree that there can and usually are exceptions made for all sorts of reasons. We can have our own opinions about players and the motivations, but dont tell me there is some hard and fast rule. El Hombre is sore over Vitoria, Shway is sore over Arfield, I am still sore over Cavallini etc etc...but the PROGRAM moves on and Herdman knows the actual details of each guys situation and he'll decide who gets the calls to rep us. And there is plenty of precedent that not being 100% commited to the program, 100% of the time doesnt mean you cant continue to contribute. Corazon, Alex, Obinna and 10 others 8 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 44 minutes ago, Bison44 said: El Hombre is sore over Vitoria, Shway is sore over Arfield, I am still sore over Cavallini etc etc...but the PROGRAM moves on and Herdman knows the actual details of each guys situation and he'll decide who gets the calls to rep us. And there is plenty of precedent that not being 100% commited to the program, 100% of the time doesnt mean you cant continue to contribute. You can add me to the list with my view of Hoillet but at the end of the day, the gaffer has to figure out which guys are going to give him the best chance of winning (btw, I still really like Hoillet in the role of a Quaresma-like latter game supersub on the wing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 51 minutes ago, Bison44 said: Our team has guys that played for other nations, refused to play for us when called, strung us along for years hoping to get calls from other teams, ran down the program, said they didnt feel CDN and wished they hadnt played for Canada. And now you advocate taking a hard line with guys that skip a camp when they are coming off an injury and are prob not match fit anyways?? If we can welcome in Cav, Vitoria, Hoilett, Akinola, Singh, Eustaquio, Leutweiler, Sturing, Feriera, TWardek, Wotherspoon and Arfield in the first place then I think we can agree that there can and usually are exceptions made for all sorts of reasons. We can have our own opinions about players and the motivations, but dont tell me there is some hard and fast rule. El Hombre is sore over Vitoria, Shway is sore over Arfield, I am still sore over Cavallini etc etc...but the PROGRAM moves on and Herdman knows the actual details of each guys situation and he'll decide who gets the calls to rep us. And there is plenty of precedent that not being 100% commited to the program, 100% of the time doesnt mean you cant continue to contribute. Stop it with your ridiculous common sense. It has no place here. Ivan, Corazon, h coach and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 Admittedly I am one of those that gets riled up when this happens. Hoilett doesn’t care enough to choose us early? Screw him. Cav doesn’t “feel Canadian”? Screw him. Arfield doesn’t want to play in these important games? Well, you get the idea. But inevitably we cheer them on if/when the powers-that-be welcome them back and get them on the field. It is annoying for sure when they don’t fee the sam way we do about it, but I suspect those in charge will generally take a pragmatic and results-oriented view of things. And in that respect it is probably a bit silly to forever close the door on a guy like Arfield - even if we get pissed off that he seems to now be picking and choosing when to play. LeoH037, Alex, Fullback and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Bison44 said: El Hombre is sore over Vitoria, Shway is sore over Arfield, I am still sore over Cavallini etc etc...but the PROGRAM moves on and Herdman knows the actual details of each guys situation and he'll decide who gets the calls to rep us. And there is plenty of precedent that not being 100% commited to the program, 100% of the time doesnt mean you cant continue to contribute. 20 minutes ago, BearcatSA said: You can add me to the list with my view of Hoillet but at the end of the day, the gaffer has to figure out which guys are going to give him the best chance of winning (btw, I still really like Hoillet in the role of a Quaresma-like latter game supersub on the wing). Yeah, but the difference between y'all and me is that Herdman reads all my posts and takes them to heart. I'm an unofficial assistant coach (I assume). Ruffian, Bison44, Olympique_de_Marseille and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 1 minute ago, El Hombre said: Yeah, but the difference between y'all and me is that Herdman reads all my posts and takes them to heart. I'm an unofficial assistant coach (I assume). So if we don’t qualify for Qatar, we know where to send the mob with flaming torches. MtlMario, Cheeta, rkomar and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 Just now, JamboAl said: So if we don’t qualify for Qatar, we know where to send the mob with flaming torches. Oh shit.... MtlMario 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 I think the objective is to make the world cup. Call the players who give you the best opportunity. Thats my simple opinion Kent and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtlMario Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 20 minutes ago, SpursFlu said: I think the objective is to make the world cup. Call the players who give you the best opportunity. Thats my simple opinion Of coarse it is but it's also a plus if everyone is 100% committed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 34 minutes ago, MtlMario said: Of coarse it is but it's also a plus if everyone is 100% committed. I like to think everyone in camp is committed. That's why they are in camp. From that perspective there is nothing for us to worry about. Grandbloke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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