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WCQ: Canada vs Bermuda - March 25th 8pm Eastern/5pm Pacific - Orlando FL


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1 hour ago, Dominic94 said:

Wondering what it means for Corbeanu 

Canada or the US are not on UK's red list. Only 3 Concacaf nations with 2 playing qualifiers are on it. Panama isn't playing in Panama. Guyana is playing Bahamas at home but I'm assuming both nations aren't calling up anyone from the UK.

Conmebol has all 10 nations on UK's red list and have lots of UK-based players - so a widespread impact due to the Brasil-based covid variant.

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19 minutes ago, red card said:

Canada or the US are not on UK's red list. Only 3 Concacaf nations with 2 playing qualifiers are on it. Panama isn't playing in Panama. Guyana is playing Bahamas at home but I'm assuming both nations aren't calling up anyone from the UK.

Conmebol has all 10 nations on UK's red list and have lots of UK-based players - so a widespread impact due to the Brasil-based covid variant.

Suriname is on the list and they have a few UK players 

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32 minutes ago, red card said:

Yes, missed them. They'll also be impacted by being on the Dutch list. So, I'm not sure why they're playing a match in Suriname.

Yes and could their domestic squad lose to cayman? 

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10 hours ago, narduch said:

Yes.

However I'm unsure if they have the rights to our road games

 

I mean, that shouldn't stop us from being able to watch them though... unless we've gotten soft/spoiled 😅

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16 hours ago, narduch said:

Yes.

However I'm unsure if they have the rights to our road games

 

I saw on One Soccer the other day that they are carrying all the World Cup games of this group stage including road games and the Olympic qualifiers.  Not sure that will carry through to the playoff or Octagon as they only guarantee when you sign up the home matches

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7 hours ago, An Observer said:

I saw on One Soccer the other day that they are carrying all the World Cup games of this group stage including road games and the Olympic qualifiers.  Not sure that will carry through to the playoff or Octagon as they only guarantee when you sign up the home matches

They have to negotiate with each home federation individually as games arise, hence why they can only guarantee Canada home games.

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On 3/4/2021 at 4:07 PM, VinceA said:

Nakhi Wells....He's by far their best player.

 

On 3/2/2021 at 12:07 AM, gator said:

I watched many of Wells' matches at QPR....we should be able to deal with him if he is their lone threat!

 

On 2/28/2021 at 3:44 PM, Floortom said:

The CB situation is scary - especially going up against Nahki Wells.

 

On 3/1/2021 at 7:52 AM, Alex said:

the availability of Wells is up in the air. 

 

On 2/24/2021 at 6:30 PM, VinceA said:

Bermuda will be interesting. Our shaky defence could be susceptible to Bermuda's set plays and Nakhi Wells' cleverness.

 

On 2/23/2021 at 6:49 PM, BrennanFan said:

Nahki Wells is a damn good hold up man, he can be effective with little service and will finish his chances.

 

I just discovered a fact that once again, we all should have mentioned months ago.

CONCACAF NATIONS LEAGUE GROUP B

Bermuda vs Panama
https://www.concacafnationsleague.com/en/nations-league/game-detail/476580#tab_match=match-details
Yellow cards for Bermuda: Dale Eve, Osagi Bascome

Panama vs Bermuda
https://www.concacafnationsleague.com/en/nations-league/game-detail/476581#tab_match=match-details
Yellow cards for Bermuda: Roger Lee, Oliver Harvey, Nahki Wells, Willie Clemons


Bermuda vs Mexico:
https://www.concacafnationsleague.com/en/nations-league/game-detail/476582#tab_match=match-details
Yellow cards for Bermuda: none

Mexico vs Bermuda:
https://www.concacafnationsleague.com/en/nations-league/game-detail/476585#tab_match=match-details
Yellow cards for Bermuda: Reginald Thompson-Lambe, Osagi Bascome, Nahki Wells


The rules on yellow cards are here:
https://concacaf-cloudinary.corebine.com/concacaf-production/image/upload/v1567616650/nationsleague-prod/assets/CONCACAF_Nations_League_2018-2020_ENG.pdf

22.8.4. Two (2) cautions received in different games during Nations
League Qualifying, the Nations League Group Phase or the Nations
League Final Championship shall result in automatic suspension
for the next game in The Competition.

...

22.8.6. Unserved suspensions outstanding at the end of a team’s
participation in The Competition
will be carried over to the next
official match
of the player’s National Team per the FIFA
Disciplinary Code and, upon its entry into force, the CONCACAF
Disciplinary Code.


So, by the same rules that mean that Lucas Cavallini is suspended both Osagi Bascome and Nahki Wells are suspended from this match.

Osagi Bascome's suspension is somewhat irrelevant.  He is still injured and was never going to feature anyways:

 https://www.royalgazette.com/soccer/sport/article/20210126/coach-kyle-lightbourne-has-gombey-warriors-back-in-training/ 

"Two key players unavailable for the opening qualifiers against Canada and Aruba are midfielders Tre Ming and Osagi Bascome. Ming has been ruled out with a torn meniscus while Bascome has seriously injured his anterior cruciate ligament."

However, Nahki Wells being suspended is superb news for us. :) 

They won't have their most dangerous player.

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Now this optimism comes with a question. What is an "official match"?

Is an A level friendly match an "official match"?

If friendlies count, than Cavallini already served his suspension here:

https://canadasoccer.com/national-teams/matches/national-team-match-past/?matchId=1577

& Wells already served his suspension here:

https://ca.soccerway.com/matches/2020/03/11/world/friendlies/jamaica/bermuda/3229842/

 

However I assume an A level friendly is not an "official match" because as far as I can tell, that friendly vs Jamaica is the only A level match Bermuda has played since the end of the CNL group stage  https://ca.soccerway.com/teams/bermuda/bermuda/284/ and yet Osagi Bascome played in it. If A level friendlies counted, he should have been suspended right for that match right?

 

EDIT: This could all be wrong, see the following posts.

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29 minutes ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

Now this optimism comes with a question. What is an "official match"?

Is an A level friendly match an "official match"?

Ok, to answer my own question and ask another one:

https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/fifa-disciplinary-code-500275.pdf?cloudid=koyeb3cvhxnwy9yz4aa6

 

"Friendly match: a match organised by a football organisation, club or other
person between teams chosen for the occasion and possibly belonging to
different spheres of operation; the score has an effect only on the match or
tournament in question and, in the case of representative teams, on the FIFA
rankings.

Official match: a match organised under the auspices of a football
organisation for all of the teams or clubs in its sphere of operation; the score
has an effect on the rights of participation in other competitions unless the
regulations in question stipulate otherwise."

With more details here:

 

38 Carrying over match suspensions
1.
As a general rule, every match suspension (of players and other persons) is
carried over from one round to the next in the same competition.
2.
Match suspensions in relation to an expulsion pronounced on a player outside
of a competition (separate match[es]) or not served during the competition for
which they were intended (elimination or the last match in the competition)
are carried over as follows:
a) FIFA World Cup™: carried over to the representative team’s subsequent
official match;
b) competitions subject to an age limit: carried over to the representative
team’s next official match in the same age group. Where the suspension
cannot be served in the same age group, it shall be carried over to the next
highest age category;
c) FIFA Confederations Cup: carried over to the representative team’s next
official match;
d) FIFA Club World Cup: carried over to the club’s next official match;
e) confederation competitions for representative teams: carried over to the
representative team’s next official match in a competition organised by FIFA;
First title. Substantive law Chapter I. General part
24
f) competitions in which teams have been chosen in accordance with certain
criteria (cultural, geographical, historical etc.): if the regulations of these
competitions refer to the FIFA regulations for disciplinary sanctions, the
suspension is carried over to the representative team’s next official match;
g) friendly matches: carried over to the representative team’s next friendly match.

3.
If a representative team is hosting a final competition and is consequently not
required to participate in qualifying matches to reach the final competition
of this tournament and its next official match is in that final competition, any
match suspension pronounced in accordance with par. 2 of this article shall be
carried over to the representative team’s next friendly match.
4.

In no case may match suspensions resulting from several cautions issued to a
player in different matches of the same competition be carried over to another
competition.

5.
Par. 2 likewise applies to suspensions pronounced against persons other than
players

 

So a friendly match isn't an official match but, is this whole thing irrelevant because of rule 38.4 ? Are only red card suspensions carried over but not separate yellow cards from different matches? I am honestly confused.

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34 minutes ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I just discovered a fact that once again, we all should have mentioned months ago.

CONCACAF NATIONS LEAGUE GROUP B

Bermuda vs Panama
https://www.concacafnationsleague.com/en/nations-league/game-detail/476580#tab_match=match-details
Yellow cards for Bermuda: Dale Eve, Osagi Bascome

Panama vs Bermuda
https://www.concacafnationsleague.com/en/nations-league/game-detail/476581#tab_match=match-details
Yellow cards for Bermuda: Roger Lee, Oliver Harvey, Nahki Wells, Willie Clemons


Bermuda vs Mexico:
https://www.concacafnationsleague.com/en/nations-league/game-detail/476582#tab_match=match-details
Yellow cards for Bermuda: none

Mexico vs Bermuda:
https://www.concacafnationsleague.com/en/nations-league/game-detail/476585#tab_match=match-details
Yellow cards for Bermuda: Reginald Thompson-Lambe, Osagi Bascome, Nahki Wells


The rules on yellow cards are here:
https://concacaf-cloudinary.corebine.com/concacaf-production/image/upload/v1567616650/nationsleague-prod/assets/CONCACAF_Nations_League_2018-2020_ENG.pdf

22.8.4. Two (2) cautions received in different games during Nations
League Qualifying, the Nations League Group Phase or the Nations
League Final Championship shall result in automatic suspension
for the next game in The Competition.

...

22.8.6. Unserved suspensions outstanding at the end of a team’s
participation in The Competition
will be carried over to the next
official match
of the player’s National Team per the FIFA
Disciplinary Code and, upon its entry into force, the CONCACAF
Disciplinary Code.


So, by the same rules that mean that Lucas Cavallini is suspended both Osagi Bascome and Nahki Wells are suspended from this match.

Osagi Bascome's suspension is somewhat irrelevant.  He is still injured and was never going to feature anyways:

 https://www.royalgazette.com/soccer/sport/article/20210126/coach-kyle-lightbourne-has-gombey-warriors-back-in-training/ 

"Two key players unavailable for the opening qualifiers against Canada and Aruba are midfielders Tre Ming and Osagi Bascome. Ming has been ruled out with a torn meniscus while Bascome has seriously injured his anterior cruciate ligament."

However, Nahki Wells being suspended is superb news for us. :) 

They won't have their most dangerous player.

will ferrell comedy GIF

 

Now this optimism comes with a question. What is an "official match"?

Is an A level friendly match an "official match"?

If friendlies count, than Cavallini already served his suspension here:

https://canadasoccer.com/national-teams/matches/national-team-match-past/?matchId=1577

& Wells already served his suspension here:

https://ca.soccerway.com/matches/2020/03/11/world/friendlies/jamaica/bermuda/3229842/

 

However I assume an A level friendly is not an "official match" because as far as I can tell, that friendly vs Jamaica is the only A level match Bermuda has played since the end of the CNL group stage  https://ca.soccerway.com/teams/bermuda/bermuda/284/ and yet Osagi Bascome played in it. If A level friendlies counted, he should have been suspended right for that match right?

Nice work!

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28 minutes ago, costarg said:

Nice work!

but I'm not sure it is nice. I think the whole thing is irrelevant now! haha

EDIT:

I think rule 38.4 means that both  Lucas Cavallini and Nahki Wells are eligible to play and I've just been ignorant of the details of the FIFA regulations.

Oh Brother Reaction GIF by reactionseditor

I think this just means that a guy like Nickenson Paul is suspended for Aruba vs Suriname: https://www.concacafnationsleague.com/en/nations-league/game-detail/476636#tab_match=match-details

https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/preliminaries/nccamerica/matches/#282655

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33 minutes ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

but I'm not sure it is nice. I think the whole thing is irrelevant now! haha

EDIT:

I think rule 38.4 means that both  Lucas Cavallini and Nahki Wells are eligible to play and I've just been ignorant of the details of the FIFA regulations.

Oh Brother Reaction GIF by reactionseditor

I think this just means that a guy like Nickenson Paul is suspended for Aruba vs Suriname: https://www.concacafnationsleague.com/en/nations-league/game-detail/476636#tab_match=match-details

https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/preliminaries/nccamerica/matches/#282655

Sooooo we are allowed to suggest Lucas in the starting XI again?! Haha

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Maybe Concacaf Nations League doesn't transfer over to FIFA WCQ? That would make a little sense as they are unrelated tournaments.

I'm too lazy to research that though.

Perhaps Cavallini is really suspended for the 1at Gold Cup match? is the CSA and Hardman aware?

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10 minutes ago, trc2014 said:

Sooooo we are allowed to suggest Lucas in the starting XI again?! Haha

I think so! :D  Put him back in your starting XI! 

It looks like I may have gotten the FIFA regulations wrong. My bad. Mea culpa.

To be fair, when I originally posted that, nobody pulled regulation 38.4 on me. It means there are plenty of you guys who don't know the FIFA rules too!

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5 minutes ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

I think so! :D  Put him back in your starting XI! 

It looks like I may have gotten the FIFA regulations wrong. My bad. Mea culpa.

To be fair, when I originally posted that, nobody pulled regulation 38.4 on me. It means there are plenty of you guys who don't know the FIFA rules too!

My expertise on FIFA rules only goes up to regulation 31.2 so you got me!  

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Either way, @Olympique_de_Marseilleyou are a legend. Seriously. The stuff you dig up is greatly appreciated!!

I guess it would make sense to count a red card suspension into the next match, but not a yellow card accumulation suspension. I can see the logic. Imagine getting a weak yellow in the last world cup qualifier and then having to miss the opening World Cup match. Very different thing from a violent conduct straight red. The only reason why the yellow gives you a suspension is because it is in the same competition as another yellow. So why would the suspension carry forward?

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