Shway Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, BuzzAndSting said: This is all posted publicly, you just have to put the effort in to look it up. You assumed I haven't look but I haven't found last years report. Let me know what you have found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Obinna said: Nope. We just care about soccer in this country and realize the CSA needs to criticized (and praised) when it is deserved. Robert cares about soccer in Holland and realizes pissing people off for the sake of it is easy on this board, so he comes back for more and everyone falls for it. Think some you guys need a dose of Occam's Razor. BuzzAndSting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Just now, Shway said: You assumed I haven't look but I haven't found last years report. Let me know what you have found. What report? And if you have found all available public information related to the CSA, their finances and budget allocation why are you asking where money is being spent? El Hombre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 On a serious note, I would love to see the operating budget summary for CSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, dyslexic nam said: On a serious note, I would love to see the operating budget summary for CSA. They post the percentage allocation of funds, not specific dollar amounts, in their annual report, which is posted publicly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, narduch said: Think some you guys need a dose of Occam's Razor. Yes, the simplest explanation is most often the correct one. Did I miss something? Unless you are suggesting the simplest explanation is that games were cancelled because they deemed it was not safe. In which case you would have to question why they even tried to schedule something to begin with. So that is not a simple explanation. That is an explanation with an unanswered question attached to it lol Clearly the simplest explanation is that they tried and failed and fell back on the "advice from medical professionals". Edited November 3, 2020 by Obinna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said: What report? And if you have found all available public information related to the CSA, their finances and budget allocation why are you asking where money is being spent? The 2018 Annual Report. @dyslexic nam So being the business guy that you are.....would you take a 2018 report, and assume that the same financial spend would be applied to 2020 in the midst of a pandemic? And if you know that things are easily accessible since they are posted publicly and someone has stated that they have looked for information that you can easily find, but haven't found it...would you not provide the link to you know make things easy? Edited November 3, 2020 by Shway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 We should also petition the CSA to have a permanent seat on the Board of Directors. At one point there was a lot of discussion about making the V’s more organized/professional/functional (choose your adjective) - whatever happened to that. Getting things like permanent liaison status with CSA. Would be the sort of structural changes that could actually result in change. Hell, the folks in this group buy shirts and buy tickets - and promote the hell out of events (when they actually happen). We should have some sort of voice or influence about the way soccer is conducted in this country. And to be clear, I am not overstating our importance and claiming that we should drive the bus. I am merely saying that a seat at the table would be nice. Ansem, Kadenge, Club Linesman and 4 others 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 This is from the 2018 audited financial statements. Dated info at this point but it gives you the ballpark. This is a pretty damn poor nationaL sporting organization. Shway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said: We should also petition the CSA to have a permanent seat on the Board of Directors. At one point there was a lot of discussion about making the V’s more organized/professional/functional (choose your adjective) - whatever happened to that. Getting things like permanent liaison status with CSA. Would be the sort of structural changes that could actually result in change. Hell, the folks in this group buy shirts and buy tickets - and promote the hell out of events (when they actually happen). We should have some sort of voice or influence about the way soccer is conducted in this country. And to be clear, I am not overstating our importance and claiming that we should drive the bus. I am merely saying that a seat at the table would be nice. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Not to stir the pot but to be constructive, the audited financial statement is here https://www.canadasoccer.com/about-landing-page/about-resources/ Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 FWIW, this is the sort of discussion I was considering starting when Robert posted his thread (that I knew would go no where). We need real strategies. Obinna and Shway 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Shway said: The 2018 Annual Report. 2019 I am not able to find. What is interestingly depressing is that nearly 40% of the source of revenue is from player fees lol. So our federation is held up by the parents, and adult players who pay to register to play recreational and competitive soccer. So there's the 50% reduction in revenue that Montopoli stated....am I wrong to say that @BuzzAndSting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apbsmith Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 All those positions and I don't see a High performance or technical director or set piece coach specialist in the coaching staff for either men or women, that's really unfortunate. I actually sympathize for the coaching staff, past and present after seeing that staff list. I'll leave my other comments to myself haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Shway said: The 2018 Annual Report. @dyslexic nam So being the business guy that you are.....would you take a 2018 report, and assume that the same financial spend would be applied to 2020 in the midst of a pandemic? And if you know that things are easily accessible since they are posted publicly and someone has stated that they have looked for information that you can easily find, but haven't found it...would you not provide the link to you know make things easy? Of course not, why would allocations be the same this year as any other year? And no I’m not going to compile links and post them again to this site, I’ve don’t that multiple times. All of these conversations have been had before, the threads still exist. One thing that’s always lacking from those who criticize, is an idea of where things should be done differently. I’m all for accountability but if you want to question those who are allocating the money, point to what you would do differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, dyslexic nam said: FWIW, this is the sort of discussion I was considering starting when Robert posted his thread (that I knew would go no where). We need real strategies. I agree, also with your seat on the board idea. However how can we ask for those things, when we aren't organized at the supporter level? I repeat this is just a forum, the Voyageurs as a supporters organization doesn't exist. If I'm wrong please correct me with evidence to point to such. But please, as a respected voice/man on this forum - start the conversation. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Shway said: 2019 I am not able to find. What is interestingly depressing is that nearly 40% of the source of revenue is from player fees lol. So our federation is held up by the parents, and adult players who pay to register to play recreational and competitive soccer. So there's the 50% reduction in revenue that Montopoli stated....am I wrong to say that @BuzzAndSting? I believe that to be true but obviously can’t say for sure. Edit: Lost TV revenue would also account for some of the shortfalls. Edited November 3, 2020 by BuzzAndSting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, apbsmith said: All those positions and I don't see a High performance or technical director or set piece coach specialist in the coaching staff for either men or women, that's really unfortunate. I actually sympathize for the coaching staff, past and present after seeing that staff list. I'll leave my other comments to myself haha. Jason De Vos is the TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Obinna said: Yes, the simplest explanation is most often the correct one. Did I miss something? Unless you are suggesting the simplest explanation is that games were cancelled because they deemed it was not safe. In which case you would have to question why they even tried to schedule something to begin with. So that is not a simple explanation. That is an explanation with an unanswered question attached to it lol Clearly the simplest explanation is that they tried and failed and fell back on the "advice from medical professionals". Its also possible when they started to look into it the situation wasn't as bad. Maybe it was too cost prohibitive to carry out covid protocols for a behind closed door friendly. I just think its laughable that people are so upset about their final decision. As a fan it sucks that there is no game. But I'm not going to hold it against them, especially during the 2nd wave of a global pandemic. Please don't say its just a casedemic. That thinking is utter stupidity. Edited November 3, 2020 by narduch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) Maybe all their money went to propping up the Island games. Obviously like everything else right now it has little to do with safety and everything to do with we're going broke and will this activity help or hinder this. I deal with business people all day long. There is money to be made but regulations and rules are just tightening the noose around their neck and making things impossible. Every action needs to be scrutinized and justified Mexico especially and the US have tv deals they need to honor and get money from. Canada doesnt I'm not mad at them at all. It likely makes total sense considering the insane restrictions at the moment Edited November 3, 2020 by SpursFlu Obinna, apbsmith and Shway 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 My problem is the seeming lack of ambition to make money. They don’t make buying customizable Canada jerseys easy.. they should be advertising that. Think of how many Davies shirts they could get on Xmas lists this year. Shway, MtlMario and apbsmith 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, SpursFlu said: Maybe all their money went to propping up the Island games. Obviously like everything else right now it has little to do with safety and everything to do with we're going broke and will this activity help or hinder this. I deal with business people all day long. There is money to be made but regulations and rules are just tightening the noose around their neck and making things impossible No, the CSA does not fund the CPL. apbsmith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 That US roster looks like so much fun. Sad thing is Canada can have a fun roster like that too but you know we're at the mercy of the Cash Strapped Association. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apbsmith Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said: Jason De Vos is the TD. Perfect, thx for clarification. That's good to know especially as a former player, he will know what players want. Assuming he is TD for both men and women teams? I was only going off the list posted that had him as : technical director JASON DEVOS - Director of Development Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Just now, CanadaFan123 said: My problem is the seeming lack of ambition to make money. They don’t make buying customizable Canada jerseys easy.. they should be advertising that. Think of how many Davies shirts they could get on Xmas lists this year. This is a great observation. I think this has to do with the Nike deal, which in my mind was a terrible choice. Umbro was way more ambitious in marketing our players and teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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