grigorio Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 why the fuck does this thread exist again??? MtlMario, gator, red card and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 hour ago, grigorio said: why the fuck does this thread exist again??? The same reason this one does: To keep tabs on a team of interest. https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/what-is-the-problem-with-canada.2032564/page-142 Don't forget we have drawn them for Gold Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 We should have a thread for the entire CONCACAF. We get bombarded with USMNT info all the time, harder to keep track of the other teams more in our weight class. red card and Kusch to the Corner 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 7 hours ago, Bison44 said: We should have a thread for the entire CONCACAF. We get bombarded with USMNT info all the time, harder to keep track of the other teams more in our weight class. Who do you consider those nations? Haiti? Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 37 minutes ago, Shway said: Who do you consider those nations? Haiti? Honduras, Jamaica ..even Costa Rica who will be on a bit of a decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiedPilko Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Jamaica, Costa Rica, Honduras, Panama, Curacao, maybe El Salvador. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 9 hours ago, Bison44 said: We should have a thread for the entire CONCACAF. We get bombarded with USMNT info all the time, harder to keep track of the other teams more in our weight class. Wouldn't it be easier to track our opponents if they had individual threads like this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red card Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 (edited) Wales & US played to a 0-0 friendly today in Swansea. Wales fielded players nearly all from the Championship as they have a Nations League match this weekend. US didn't have Pulisic and MLS (ex one). I just kept an eye on it as the 3 Euro playoff matches took precedence. The harshest evaluation I heard was from Lalas who gave the US a 6/10. Fotmob only rated Steffen higher than 7. NBC gave 8s to Dest, Brooks, McKennie & Musah. CBS main takeaway was that McKennie, Adams & Musah looked good in passing and understanding each other. The Mirror noted Bale was caught on camera in the stands with a laptop - likely watching the Masters since the football match was utterly forgettable. The overly optimistic American supporters were very happy with seeing the individual skills on display but given no goals, they blamed GGG for playing with no true striker. My view of the Americans is that a young starting eleven not surprisingly played with much more vigour, impetus & energy than Wales. Though, American sports teams tend to play everything in first gear while Euro nations rarely get out of second gear in a friendly. GGG was even high fiving subs coming in while the replacement Wales manager rarely got out of his seat. Americans dominated in possession but didn't know what to do when in the final third. The passing wasn't quick enough and there was no incisive and tight passing. Only good chance came off a sloppy back pass. GGG system employs a high press, high back line and playing out of the back. The high press was good in the 1st half but petered out in the 2nd. High line seemed vulnerable at times to counters. Good enough system and execution to break down most Concacaf nations but against a typically well organized Euro team, even if it was a B version, the US was the one that broke down in the final third and to some degree in the second half. For individual players, Dest & McKennie looked the most notable in attack but no end product delivered. Reyna without Haaland looked sluggish. Back line wasn't really challenged but they and defensive mids looked good in moving the ball. Edited November 13, 2020 by red card Obinna, soccer.shocker and Addona 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 13 hours ago, red card said: Wales & US played to a 0-0 friendly today in Swansea. Wales fielded players nearly all from the Championship as they have a Nations League match this weekend. US didn't have Pulisic and MLS (ex one). I just kept an eye on it as the 3 Euro playoff matches took precedence. The harshest evaluation I heard was from Lalas who gave the US a 6/10. Fotmob only rated Steffen higher than 7. NBC gave 8s to Dest, Brooks, McKennie & Musah. CBS main takeaway was that McKennie, Adams & Musah looked good in passing and understanding each other. The Mirror noted Bale was caught on camera in the stands with a laptop - likely watching the Masters since the football match was utterly forgettable. The overly optimistic American supporters were very happy with seeing the individual skills on display but given no goals, they blamed GGG for playing with no true striker. My view of the Americans is that a young starting eleven not surprisingly played with much more vigour, impetus & energy than Wales. Though, American sports teams tend to play everything in first gear while Euro nations rarely get out of second gear in a friendly. GGG was even high fiving subs coming in while the replacement Wales manager rarely got out of his seat. Americans dominated in possession but didn't know what to do when in the final third. The passing wasn't quick enough and there was no incisive and tight passing. Only good chance came off a sloppy back pass. GGG system employs a high press, high back line and playing out of the back. The high press was good in the 1st half but petered out in the 2nd. High line seemed vulnerable at times to counters. Good enough system and execution to break down most Concacaf nations but against a typically well organized Euro team, even if it was a B version, the US was the one that broke down in the final third and to some degree in the second half. For individual players, Dest & McKennie looked the most notable in attack but no end product delivered. Reyna without Haaland looked sluggish. Back line wasn't really challenged but they and defensive mids looked good in moving the ball. They only had one full day of training together. It was the first time playing together for most of them, with no real 9. This team has the potential to be scary good if they all develop as expected. The skill is well balanced all over the field. They will solve their missing 9 issue, i just hope its not Akinola. But one has to think that Ayo looks at this and realizes the role is his for the taking, and this team will compete. A different coach would also help. Meanwhile in Canada............ Club Linesman, Junkie and Obinna 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Plus I wouldn't blame Ayo for choosing a program that actually plays. I would be disappointed, but not surprised and definitely would not blame him. Club Linesman, Nate3322 and Mango 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 On 11/12/2020 at 1:18 AM, Bison44 said: We should have a thread for the entire CONCACAF. We get bombarded with USMNT info all the time, harder to keep track of the other teams more in our weight class. We won't have to worry about all those countries in the long run. I created this thread because their youth development issues have largely been similar to ours. I am fascinated to see how both countries evolve over the next few years. Bison44 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 The reality is the US is getting better, the reality is we're getting better. The reality is Wales is a tiny country. Is it even a country? And i think the game finished 0 0. Anyways I find American soccer annoying but im not stressed about it. US soccer will be a top 20 team going forward and so what. 350 million people, uncovering people all over the world and capping them. Based on the resources at their fingertips they still suck in my books. Pound for pound we're better and I look forward to playing them. Ruffian, Shway, red card and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bdog Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, SpursFlu said: The reality is the US is getting better, the reality is we're getting better. The reality is Wales is a tiny country. Is it even a country? And i think the game finished 0 0. Anyways I find American soccer annoying but im not stressed about it. US soccer will be a top 20 team going forward and so what. 350 million people, uncovering people all over the world and capping them. Based on the resources at their fingertips they still suck in my books. Pound for pound we're better and I look forward to playing them. The US only has over 100x the population of Wales Edited November 14, 2020 by Bdog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 The US needs soccer to become more lucrative - which it won’t anytime soon. With that reality they’ll never get the top athletes that they could, as the culture is to put your kids into Basketball or Throwball especially if they are naturally born athletes. Plain and simple, there’s a lot of Michail Antonio’s and Adama Traores, they’re just playing the money sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bdog Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 20 minutes ago, Bdog said: The US only has over 100x the population of Wales Also on the subject of population, Macedonia has 2 million and made it to the Euros for the first time yesterday!!!! At least one of my teams did something this year 🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰 I love how they played, even though they're a bit boring they were very organized and solid defensively. Way easier to watch than Canada. You could also tell how much it meant to the players to represent their country. Buchta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOcanadafan Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 17 minutes ago, Shway said: The US needs soccer to become more lucrative - which it won’t anytime soon. With that reality they’ll never get the top athletes that they could, as the culture is to put your kids into Basketball or Throwball especially if they are naturally born athletes. Plain and simple, there’s a lot of Michail Antonio’s and Adama Traores, they’re just playing the money sports. I’d guess that over time elite athletes that may have played American football will end up finding their way to soccer (violent nature of game). Although, if both US and Canada continue the “pay to play” model, maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, TOcanadafan said: I’d guess that over time elite athletes that may have played American football will end up finding their way to soccer (violent nature of game). Although, if both US and Canada continue the “pay to play” model, maybe not. I dont buy this argument.. they have more than enough people playing the sport and most basketball or football players too big a clumsy to ever have the coordination and stamina to be top level footballers. Plus a wise man once told me "nobody cares about what you didn't do" Edited November 14, 2020 by SpursFlu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOcanadafan Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, SpursFlu said: I dont buy this argument.. they have more than enough people playing the sport and most basketball or football players too big a clumsy to ever have the coordination and stamina to be top level footballers. Plus a wise man once told me "nobody cares about what you didn't do" I think you underrate the athleticism of some of the skill / speed position players in the NFL (WIde receivers, Corner backs nd even some Running backs and LInebackers who could make great Centrebacks) - these guys aren’t clumsy oafs and have amazing speed, agility, balance and footwork. I guess it won’t really matter because those with elite athleticism who grow up poor will never have the money to play Soccer in the US. Edited November 14, 2020 by TOcanadafan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 13 hours ago, Shway said: The US needs soccer to become more lucrative - which it won’t anytime soon. With that reality they’ll never get the top athletes that they could, as the culture is to put your kids into Basketball or Throwball especially if they are naturally born athletes. Plain and simple, there’s a lot of Michail Antonio’s and Adama Traores, they’re just playing the money sports. Right now this is certainly the case but I have a feeling MLS is going to make some powerplay moves as their media deal is up 2022. I'm thinking more than a dozen big name DP signings, including Ronaldo and Messi and it just might land the league the big money deal they are craving. When that happens, and most MLS players are making seven figure salaries, more top US athletes will choose the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red card Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 (edited) On 11/13/2020 at 8:50 AM, costarg said: They only had one full day of training together. It was the first time playing together for most of them, with no real 9. This team has the potential to be scary good if they all develop as expected. The skill is well balanced all over the field. They will solve their missing 9 issue, i just hope its not Akinola. But one has to think that Ayo looks at this and realizes the role is his for the taking, and this team will compete. A different coach would also help. Meanwhile in Canada............ This has been the standard Wales post match analysis from the US supporters base ex no one is talking about Ayo. They tend to get infatuated with the potential of young players (as in all American pro sports), so they are loathe to be too critical of them. Any shortcomings now are on GGG + most of them hated his selection. They also despise most of the veteran players since they were the core that failed in 2017. That means all their hopes and dreams rests on this up and coming group. So only in the US would be the hype machine would start rolling as talk of winning in 2026 has emerged amongst the supporters and in the US soccer media in the past month. It's all peaches and cream until the potential of the young players starts fizzling out at the club level as generally been the case for the US and/or their vulnerabilities are exposed in meaningful national team matches. Now this crop has the best club pedigree of any but the probabilities say not all will reach their dream potential. One wildcard is the dual/triple nationals that appear out of nowhere to fill in the gaps. The Wales starting 11 had three of them. Edited November 14, 2020 by red card Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 51 minutes ago, red card said: They tend to get infatuated with the potential of young players (as in all American pro sports), so they are loathe to be too critical of them. I see enough of that on this board, frankly, but I will concede that there are one or two posters who p*ss on a younger guy or two (I'm thinking Fraser of late). gator and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryker911 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 To bring it back to the US I actually wouldn't be surprised if they pass Mexico in a few years. The Mexican league is obviously much stronger than MLS too to bottom, but the US European contingent looks like they have a much higher ceiling than Mexico. Club Linesman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Free kick Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 14 hours ago, Stryker911 said: To bring it back to the US I actually wouldn't be surprised if they pass Mexico in a few years. The Mexican league is obviously much stronger than MLS too to bottom, but the US European contingent looks like they have a much higher ceiling than Mexico. Believe it or not, i believe that they have actually regressed. I thought that they were on the verge of surpassing Mexico about 10 years ago when they had Landon Donovan, Dempsey, a younger Bradley who was still in his prime. I dont think that they have really replaced these players. From what i have seen of Pulisic, i have not seen anywhere near the same impact as Donovan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/southafrica2010/matches/match/300061466/#match-lineups if you look this squad that drew england. I cant honnestly say that their current squad is better. But, yes they do have some very promising young players comming up that should make them better than any of their past teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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