devioustrevor Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 12 hours ago, TGAA_Star said: Well of course if we rotate venues for World Cup qualifying then the 3 big ones will always be Toronto, Vancouver and Edmonton by default even though Montreal should also be included but they probably won't. We rarely get over 20K for any game in Canada, Saputo's 19k+ is more than enough even for "Big" opponents. Mikmacdo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Canada vs any of those 12 teams is 30 k plus in Vancouver. Take it to the bank. Central American teams or US 40k BuzzAndSting, Kent and N1ckbr0wn 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devioustrevor Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 43 minutes ago, SpursFlu said: Canada vs any of those 12 teams is 30 k plus in Vancouver. Take it to the bank. Central American teams or US 40k Bullshit. Vancouver people like to pretend that they always get otherworldly attendances compared to Toronto or Montreal, but the reality is that other than that one game against Mexico, Vancouver's attendances aren't very special. THE MEXICO GAME WAS AN OUTLIER If Vancouver had've gotten 35-40K vs. French Guiana, then they'd have a point. 50K people showed up for the game vs. Brazil in Edmonton, but nobody is suggesting every game be played in Edmonton. RS, gigi riva, Kyle_The_Hill and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 On 6/5/2020 at 5:06 PM, SkuseisLoose said: It's easy to say that those factors don't matter when by excluding them the main stadium is your local one. I assure you that's just a coincidence mate 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) I'm not comparing Vancouver to anyone. I'm just telling you what would happen if you staged a World Cup qualifier in Vancouver. Considering the top 12 format, the lower bowl would easily sell out. Just based on the Phonzie factor alone. Edited June 7, 2020 by SpursFlu Obinna, NVsoccer and N1ckbr0wn 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkuseisLoose Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 1 hour ago, devioustrevor said: ********. Vancouver people like to pretend that they always get otherworldly attendances compared to Toronto or Montreal, but the reality is that other than that one game against Mexico, Vancouver's attendances aren't very special. THE MEXICO GAME WAS AN OUTLIER If Vancouver had've gotten 35-40K vs. French Guiana, then they'd have a point. 50K people showed up for the game vs. Brazil in Edmonton, but nobody is suggesting every game be played in Edmonton. Vancouver got the same for French Guiana as Toronto got for the USA, I don't know why we'd play a world cup qualifying match in a city where the soccer fans there are clearly apathetic towards the national team. nolando and NVsoccer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 At Toronto...when Canada plays there, the atmosphere there in Toronto there is nothing like it gigi riva 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 3 hours ago, SpursFlu said: Canada vs any of those 12 teams is 30 k plus in Vancouver. Take it to the bank. Central American teams or US 40k Um, just last cycle Vancouver hosted two Central American teams in World Cup Qualifyiers. They each drew 20k, not 40k. 20k is still better than Toronto drew for similar matches the previous cycle, so you didn’t need to exaggerate to make your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Vancouver isn't even the city it was 2 years ago. I know the rest of Canada is just getting on the Davies train now but trust me when I tell you, he's a star in Vancouver. Look you tell me this or that about any city in Canada and I'll take your word for it. I don't know. I would never be arrogant enough to tell you your wrong. Trust me.. if Canads plays world cup qualifying in Vancouver lower bowl sell out within days. US, Mexico, El Salvador 40k plus N1ckbr0wn, Obinna and nolando 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 10 hours ago, SpursFlu said: Vancouver isn't even the city it was 2 years ago. I know the rest of Canada is just getting on the Davies train now but trust me when I tell you, he's a star in Vancouver. Look you tell me this or that about any city in Canada and I'll take your word for it. I don't know. I would never be arrogant enough to tell you your wrong. Trust me.. if Canads plays world cup qualifying in Vancouver lower bowl sell out within days. US, Mexico, El Salvador 40k plus Alright. If we are just going by gut feeling rather than evidence then I will say since Toronto’s population grows by more people (total number, not a percentage) every year than any other city and has lots of “euro snob” soccer fans that are now finding out about Davies. As a result we would be able to fill the Rogers Centre/Skydome for World Cup qualifiers against literally any opponent. 50k to see Antigua and it would sell out in hours. Kusch to the Corner, CanadianSoccerFan and TGAA_Star 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, Kent said: Alright. If we are just going by gut feeling rather than evidence then I will say since Toronto’s population grows by more people (total number, not a percentage) every year than any other city and has lots of “euro snob” soccer fans that are now finding out about Davies. As a result we would be able to fill the Rogers Centre/Skydome for World Cup qualifiers against literally any opponent. 50k to see Antigua and it would sell out in hours. FACTS💯 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 11 hours ago, SpursFlu said: Vancouver isn't even the city it was 2 years ago. I know the rest of Canada is just getting on the Davies train now but trust me when I tell you, he's a star in Vancouver. So he's a huge star in Vancouver 2 years after he left, but when he was playing weekly at BC Place the Whitecaps were ninth in MLS average attendance. Makes sense. 11 hours ago, SpursFlu said: I would never be arrogant enough to tell you your wrong. Trust me. [heads on over to the COVID-19 discussions] Kent and nfitz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, RS said: So he's a huge star in Vancouver 2 years after he left, but when he was playing weekly at BC Place the Whitecaps were ninth in MLS average attendance. Makes sense. [heads on over to the COVID-19 discussions] Again FACTS💯💯💯💯 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 I guess we'll have to see how the schedule lines up, but I'd be hopeful that the CSA manages to still schedule some home friendlies, with those friendlies pushed to cities that don't regularly get games. I'm sure Westhills is owed a makeup game. I'd expect the WCQ to still be going solely to Vancouver and Toronto, and that both cities will do an excellent job of supporting the team. Obinna, TGAA_Star and Club Linesman 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) Fact: Davies made a name for himself in Vancouver. Fact: Davies has never played for Canada at BC place. Fact: Davies is a bigger star now more than ever. Fact: Vancouver does not get as many games as Toronto. Fact: The capacity at BC place is bigger than BMO. If I had to bet I would say Vancouver would sell more tickets, based on those facts. Edited June 7, 2020 by Obinna NVsoccer and N1ckbr0wn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 14 minutes ago, Obinna said: Fact: Davies made a name for himself in Vancouver. Fact: Davies has never played for Canada at BC place. Fact: Davies is a bigger star now more than ever. Fact: Vancouver does not get as many games as Toronto. Fact: The capacity at BC place is bigger than BMO. If I had to bet I would say Vancouver would sell more tickets, based on those facts. The way you presented this is miles ahead of what SpursFlu was doing, without the obvious subtext that Vancouver is somehow inherently better than Toronto (or Montreal). It's those types of bad-faith arguments that keep this tiresome discussion going. SkuseIsLoose also did it earlier in the thread by implying that some games at BMO didn't feel like home games. Ironically, the Mexico game that constantly gets brought up had a massive amount of fans supporting the away team (in the tens of thousands). It's fine because there were still more people supporting Canada on the day, but if that happened in Toronto we'd never hear the end of it. Kent, TGAA_Star and Obinna 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1ckbr0wn Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, RS said: So he's a huge star in Vancouver 2 years after he left, but when he was playing weekly at BC Place the Whitecaps were ninth in MLS average attendance. Makes sense. [heads on over to the COVID-19 discussions] ...... you act like the caps were last. Hardly a mic drop comment my guy. 9th isn’t that bad for one of the smaller markets in the league Edit: Caps were also 7th/22 in 2017, also pretty good Edited June 7, 2020 by N1ckbr0wn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 2 hours ago, RS said: The way you presented this is miles ahead of what SpursFlu was doing, without the obvious subtext that Vancouver is somehow inherently better than Toronto (or Montreal). It's those types of bad-faith arguments that keep this tiresome discussion going. SkuseIsLoose also did it earlier in the thread by implying that some games at BMO didn't feel like home games. Ironically, the Mexico game that constantly gets brought up had a massive amount of fans supporting the away team (in the tens of thousands). It's fine because there were still more people supporting Canada on the day, but if that happened in Toronto we'd never hear the end of it. BMO not feeling like home games...okay I guess that makes sense but isn't Toronto in Canada? I mean aren't all these Canadian cities not in the same country? So wherever you go in Canada, it should feel like a home game shouldn't it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1ckbr0wn Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Obinna said: Fact: Davies made a name for himself in Vancouver. Fact: Davies has never played for Canada at BC place. Fact: Davies is a bigger star now more than ever. Fact: Vancouver does not get as many games as Toronto. Fact: The capacity at BC place is bigger than BMO. If I had to bet I would say Vancouver would sell more tickets, based on those facts. Don’t worry about it dude this forum has a weird fetish for hating on anything “Vancouver”. Whether it’s hating on the Whitecaps or constantly finding arguements to not have games at BC place, as you know this topic comes up at least once a month Edited June 7, 2020 by N1ckbr0wn NVsoccer and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 1 hour ago, N1ckbr0wn said: ...... you act like the caps were last. Hardly a mic drop comment my guy. 9th isn’t that bad for one of the smaller markets in the league Edit: Caps were also 7th/22 in 2017, also pretty good That’s what you got out of my post? I'm responding directly to the dude who says Vancouver is guaranteed to draw “40k plus” for El Salvador because of the city’s newfound love for Alphonso Davies. The same Vancouver that drew half that for Davies’ regular appearances 2 years ago. This is not me shitting on Vancouver, but rather me bringing actual numbers to a silly, never-ending dick-swinging competition. A gut feeling isn’t a proper argument. The Whitecaps draw consistent numbers, which is fine. That we’re arguing this stupid shit (again) during a time when any home game is probably a year away is incredibly annoying. Kent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 1 hour ago, N1ckbr0wn said: Don’t worry about it dude this forum has a weird fetish for hating on anything “Vancouver”. Whether it’s hating on the Whitecaps or constantly finding arguements to not have games at BC place, as you know this topic comes up at least once a month Weird how I could substitute “Toronto” in there and have just as valid an argument. It’s almost as if this conversation isn’t even worth it. Ivan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 1 hour ago, RS said: Weird how I could substitute “Toronto” in there and have just as valid an argument. It’s almost as if this conversation isn’t even worth it. Winnipeg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 I don’t know if any of the recent comments were directed at me, but I wasn’t hating on Vancouver, or trying to deny them games, or even saying Toronto was a worthier host (unless you took my sarcastic post literally. I thought it was obviously sarcastic, but maybe it wasn’t.) I was just exposing the reality from recent history to contrast against the guarantees of future attendance. That’s it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Turf bad, Grass good. Discuss. Ansem, Mikmacdo and CanadianSoccerFan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigi riva Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 You have to rotate the venues . When Canada plays teams like Mexico , USA, or even Costa Rica , play the games in Toronto Van City, Montreal, And Edmonton, when we play teams like Jamaica , T&T , then play the games in smaller venues like Halifax, Ottawa, Victoria, or even Hamilton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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