Ozzie_the_parrot Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 I should have posted here. It's happening m-g-williams, Kent, Bbeto and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM3/MM2/MM Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Carducci gets a three year contract on the day the union appears to be on the way to an agreement. I remember when the MLS players first attempted to form a union, many never played another game in the league including at least one Canadian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 28 minutes ago, MM3/MM2/MM said: Carducci gets a three year contract on the day the union appears to be on the way to an agreement. I remember when the MLS players first attempted to form a union, many never played another game in the league including at least one Canadian. Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 39 minutes ago, MM3/MM2/MM said: Carducci gets a three year contract on the day the union appears to be on the way to an agreement. I remember when the MLS players first attempted to form a union, many never played another game in the league including at least one Canadian. Geoff Aunger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM3/MM2/MM Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 26 minutes ago, narduch said: Geoff Aunger? Yes, narduch and Unnamed Trialist 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) If you are determined to restore the frame where a CanPL good MLS bad nationalist narrative is concerned I think it's actually Iain Fraser that deserves the spotlight on that more than Geoff Aunger. In real life away from simplistic nationalist narratives we live with a capitalist free enterprise system where those with the money and property don't tend to be keen on organized labour regardless of what flag is involved. Hence why ownership-player relations very quickly soured in a CanPL context. It's a tension that is always going to be there. Edited December 10, 2022 by Ozzie_the_parrot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 We need a drinking game, every time someone says nationalist, we all take a drink. narduch, ted, CDNFootballer and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SthMelbRed Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Bison44 said: We need a drinking game, every time someone says nationalist, we all take a drink. The game shall call for a half shot of tequila whenever he says 'bus league', a full shot if he references the Easton Report. A half shot of Jack Daniels is required whenever he accuses somebody of being a 'nationalist', and a full shot whenever he accuses somebody of pushing a CanPL vs MLS agenda. When he tells you that he grew up in Scotland in a condescending "I'm more credible than you" way, you must chug a pint of McEwan's Lager. The game will be called BBTB/OTP is a Fuckwit. Bbeto, Bison44, narduch and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m-g-williams Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, Ansem said: I should have posted here. It's happening Fantastic news! I wondered if the 30% pay increase might have been a condition that PFA demanded before coming to a final agreement on representation. I know this doesn't confirm that one way or the other, but seeing things improve like this between the players and the league is such a great development. And a question for those who know more on this than I do: Was PFA intending to represent solely CPL players, or all professional footballers from Canada in their discussions with the CSA too? I'm wondering what level of involvement they may or may not have with the proposed women's league and its eventual players. Edited December 10, 2022 by m-g-williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM3/MM2/MM Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said: If you are determined to restore the frame where a CanPL good MLS bad nationalist narrative is concerned I think it's actually Iain Fraser that deserves the spotlight on that more than Geoff Aunger. In real life away from simplistic nationalist narratives we live with a capitalist free enterprise system where those with the money and property don't tend to be keen on organized labour regardless of what flag is involved. Hence why ownership-player relations very quickly soured in a CanPL context. It's a tension that is always going to be there. You have me in the wrong category in the CanPL good / MLS bad narrative. I follow the MLS teams, I go to games (Montreal and Toronto). I think the majority on here are like that. We just support a Canadian league that has created a "filter" system and another development path for Canadian soccer and gives an opportunity to many Canadians. and thanks for the correction on Fraser, I remembered that it was a New England player and someone mentioned Aunger, I figured it was him. It took MLS 8 years to get a union, so yes CPL is better then MLS😎 Edited December 10, 2022 by MM3/MM2/MM narduch, PegCityCam and Ivan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowsweatygorilla Posted December 10, 2022 Author Share Posted December 10, 2022 5 hours ago, m-g-williams said: Fantastic news! I wondered if the 30% pay increase might have been a condition that PFA demanded before coming to a final agreement on representation. I know this doesn't confirm that one way or the other, but seeing things improve like this between the players and the league is such a great development. And a question for those who know more on this than I do: Was PFA intending to represent solely CPL players, or all professional footballers from Canada in their discussions with the CSA too? I'm wondering what level of involvement they may or may not have with the proposed women's league and its eventual players. -30% increase didn't have anything to do with the agreement to initiate a formal vote to determine union certification, but arguably due to the consistent pressure PFA has put on CPL -PFA intends to represent the interests of all footballers (hence it's work around abuse of women footballers, inclusion of non-CPL players on board etc.) But in terms of collective bargaining, it is limited to CPL for now, given CanMNT and CanXNT/WNT players formed their own unions in relation to CSA, and MLSPA/USLPA exists for Canadians in those leagues. Note: PFACan has a collaboration agreement with the XNT/WNT union, and has closer relationships with MLSPA/USLPA narduch, Unnamed Trialist and m-g-williams 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 On 12/10/2022 at 11:30 AM, yellowsweatygorilla said: -30% increase didn't have anything to do with the agreement to initiate a formal vote to determine union certification, but arguably due to the consistent pressure PFA has put on CPL -PFA intends to represent the interests of all footballers (hence it's work around abuse of women footballers, inclusion of non-CPL players on board etc.) But in terms of collective bargaining, it is limited to CPL for now, given CanMNT and CanXNT/WNT players formed their own unions in relation to CSA, and MLSPA/USLPA exists for Canadians in those leagues. Note: PFACan has a collaboration agreement with the XNT/WNT union, and has closer relationships with MLSPA/USLPA Excuse my ignorance. Is CanXNT a synonym for CanWNT? Or is it something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Think it revolves around the issue of accomodating transgender athletes in some way but haven't really been paying attention having grown up in a time when men were men, women were women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri and not really understanding what all the fuss is all about. Whatever keeps them happy basically and time for another pan-galactic gargleblaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowsweatygorilla Posted December 17, 2022 Author Share Posted December 17, 2022 On 12/12/2022 at 3:03 PM, Kent said: Excuse my ignorance. Is CanXNT a synonym for CanWNT? Or is it something else? It's to be inclusive of Quinn, who identifies as non-binary. But yes, it refers to the CanWNT. Kent and CDNFootballer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 Bbeto, Metro, Cheeta and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 It's only been a few months but it feels like new Commissioner is already accomplishing a lot youllneverwalkalone, Metro, m-g-williams and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM3/MM2/MM Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, narduch said: It's only been a few months but it feels like new Commissioner is already accomplishing a lot Yes, I think Clanachan was in the same anti-union boat as Bontis (which may explain some of the problems between the CSA and the players). Edited December 20, 2022 by MM3/MM2/MM narduch and PegCityCam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 To think that the "Parrot" would rather have our guys on buses and UNIONIZED!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 33 minutes ago, Ansem said: To think that the "Parrot" would rather have our guys on buses and UNIONIZED!!! He's been awfully quiet. Too much good news for the league lately I guess Ansem and Shway 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 Great progress! Can't wait to see what they agree too. The goal is to be comparable or better than the USL. I think with the recent revelations of the CSB earnings, it was hard to say no. m-g-williams, PegCityCam and ted 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 23 minutes ago, Shway said: Great progress! Can't wait to see what they agree too. The goal is to be comparable or better than the USL. I think with the recent revelations of the CSB earnings, it was hard to say no. We should recognized that we did it much faster than US leagues and we will be #3 in this region within 5 years PegCityCam, narduch and Nello 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PegCityCam Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Shway said: Great progress! Can't wait to see what they agree too. The goal is to be comparable or better than the USL. I think with the recent revelations of the CSB earnings, it was hard to say no. I missed this...if you have a minute what are the numbers? Bison44 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 5 hours ago, Ansem said: We should recognized that we did it much faster than US leagues and we will be #3 in this region within 5 years Reality is we have to move much faster, when we've been a lot slower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 16 hours ago, Shway said: ...I think with the recent revelations of the CSB earnings, it was hard to say no. The CSB deal with the CSA is no different now than what it was in 2019. Suspect the calculation was that the players were determined enough to go through the ratification process, so fighting that was not only going to be expensive but ultimately futile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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