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5 hours ago, nfitz said:

In retrospect, that would explain a few things!

Also, he was at TFC for less than five months.

14 games, I was wrong.

In any case, I think that his limited MLS experience, the fact that he is young, the possibility to have him in their development system, his solid work with u-19s at pro clubs in Spain, and his past with Atlético, all make him a good candidate. Also his age, he can accept Ottawa as he is probably getting a raise, while still not being paid anything out of this world.

The team doing pre-season in Madrid, in close proximity to the other teams training in Majadahonda, will get the entire group into the Atlético mentality in all respects, they will all be groomed in methods, medical, technical, internal procedures--and playing style. But also Mista and his technical team, as he has never coached with them. 

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3 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

Would the league really have input on that or would it have been Atletico Madrid's call? Mista being hired suggests the latter.

If the league started talking to Atlético around the time of the Champions final in Madrid, then the league must have expressed their feelings at that time. 

At another time, we might want to wonder if Concacaf and the CSA pressuring Fury was done in collusion with the CPL working Atlético Madrid on the sidelines, with the help of Mediapro. Even with Hunt involved. If the case, the CPL played their cards very well, once shunned in September 2018, they took down Fury pretty fast.

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I think that's a stretch, considering that one of the members of OSEG who ran the Fury was also a part of the Atletico project.

As for JdG, I went to several Fury events where he was in attendance over the last 18 months and I never heard him badmouth CanPL even once no matter how the question was asked. Maybe privately he had doubts but he never expressed them publicly.

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4 minutes ago, Initial B said:

Maybe privately he had doubts but he never expressed them publicly.

Undermining the league behind doors and telling players/agents to avoid CPL is justification enough for the league not wanting you around. I get the whole Canadian legend thing but that's just how the real world works.

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21 minutes ago, Ansem said:

 

This is in line with what I have posted earlier.

Their B squad is playing for promotion into Spanish 2nd division, so any of their core will not be loaned. If they promote to 2nd division, it'll make that an even higher level team but also more inaccessible for the younger players.

A few u-21s who are not getting minutes with the B could be loaned to At Ottawa. Although the level is high, above CPL level.

Then, in this case, he's a u-19 striker, now aged 18, playing for their A u-19 team (Juvenil A). Their season ends a bit earlier, just after Easter (then there are various u-19 championship rounds). The team is tied for first in their u-19 division but it doesn't matter, they'll qualify for the next rounds anyways.

If you look at how their players move, 11 or 12 of the Juvenil A players went up to the B team this season. One went on loan to Famalicao in top flight Portugal. 

If they do get 4 of these u-19s, they'll be hot, but that does not mean they'll handle the country change, the travel, customs. They are all used to playing on artificial surfaces.

 

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Transfermarkt often has stats for U19 Spain. I couldn't find anything on Diego Lorenzo other than he's a centre forward. I assume these loans won't be for actual prospects for their first team, but more like prospects for the B team?

Clanahan mentioned that they were intrigued by the U-Sport deal. I wonder if this is a part of a recruiting tool in talking to parents of 12 year-olds? Even if you don't make the B club, we can send you to Canada to attend a lovely little university called Carleton and continue your professional career in the CPL. Could be a good pitch, actually.

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On 2/11/2020 at 2:50 PM, Colliedor said:

I'm a graphic designer.... I literally make logos.

You're overthinking this WAY too much....

Club crests are way more complicated that "logos". They are a form of heraldry that traces back to civic coats of arms created hundreds of years ago, long before "graphic" and "designers" were even words in the English Language.

If you believe we are "overthinking" crests, jerseys, colours, and the like, then you do not understand supporter culture or the football community. The depth of history is part of the DNA of the oldest professional sport being played today.

You don't have to appreciate it, but please don't dismiss it. You can be superficial if you want, but denying the depth of meaning is simply insulting. 

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On 2/11/2020 at 11:51 PM, m-g-williams said:

-With respect to the logo, it's simple, clean and easily identifiable. My only gripes are that the top part of the shield seems a bit too empty with so much white space, and the maple leaf looks like it was added as an afterthought. I'd prefer something a bit more front and centre, and I'd go with black rather than blue as an homage to Ottawa typical sporting colours. By no means am I a graphic designer or an out-of-the-box thinker, but this would be my stab at an upgrade. :)

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Couldn't agree more on the white space, I would prefer this one over the actual badge.  I'm never going to be wearing it though.

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15 minutes ago, Stouffvillain said:

Couldn't agree more on the white space, I would prefer this one over the actual badge.  I'm never going to be wearing it though.

I get that they wanted to emphasize white to represent snow in Ottawa, but it just makes the crest seem a bit empty. 

I'm also a fan of the revised crest (and concept kit) that Xavier Oulette did. The subdued strips are a nice touch. 

 

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Just now, m-g-williams said:

I get that they wanted to emphasize white to represent snow in Ottawa, but it just makea the crest seem a bit empty. 

I'm also a fan of the revised crest (and concept kit) that Xavier Oulette did. The subdued strips are a nice touch. 

 

I think grey and white are much more representative of Ottawa. That snow never stays white for long and the sky is grey for months. ;)

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More on the blue, red and white. They feature prominently on the city emblem.

More on all that negative white space: see how well it works against the black on the scarf seen at the presentation.  And the "roofline" in line with the banding of white. 

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A couple things from the interviews with Gil Marín and then Fernando López, who will manage the club in Ottawa and is from their international expansion programme. 

First, it was pointed out to me by someone else, though I cannot find the source myself, that Gil Marín said directly that the salary cap was 750,000. The person who heard this was surprised because it was the most transparent anyone had ever been.

He also has confirmed that the rule of the CPL is that an external club (owner?) can only loan a maximum of 2 players, the rest have to be signed outright from what I understood.

Further, he commented on how they wanted to do collaboration in the women's game, and suggested At Madrid would sign Canadian players. Also that he wanted to arrange a women's friendly Spain-Canada, I imagine for the Wanda Metropolitano.

Then, López in the OneSoccer interview, he commented that they have 5 players in the India Super League (I thought they had pulled out entirely, but perhaps not), at ATK, and that the seasons did not overlap, it would work to have players play one place, then the other (Hume actually did the same when he was in the ISL). He said they were thinking of bringing over a striker who had played for Atlético, but I can't figure out who that might be.

He felt that the MX was a different level, not comparable. 

For the preseason training in Madrid, he actually says they could play a friendly vs the first team, not a B or youth team. I found that odd, perhaps it is so.

Then, he says they were sending scouts to Canada to prepare for the draft. From what he was saying, it sounded like an expansion draft. They were going to scout other teams preseason training, he did not say this, but what else would it be. Are CPL teams going to be asked to prepare a protected list and allow At Ottawa take their pick of those unprotected in an expansion draft?

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4 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Then, López in the OneSoccer interview, he commented that they have 5 players in the India Super League (I thought they had pulled out entirely, but perhaps not), at ATK, and that the seasons did not overlap, it would work to have players play one place, then the other (Hume actually did the same when he was in the ISL). He said they were thinking of bringing over a striker who had played for Atlético, but I can't figure out who that might be.

The one I've seen suggested elsewhere is Sergio Castel, currently on loan with Jamshedpur FC

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5 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Then, he says they were sending scouts to Canada to prepare for the draft. From what he was saying, it sounded like an expansion draft. They were going to scout other teams preseason training, he did not say this, but what else would it be. Are CPL teams going to be asked to prepare a protected list and allow At Ottawa take their pick of those unprotected in an expansion draft?

No no no. He must have been referring to the unsigned U-sports players that DC confirmed are available to be signed by AtleticO

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20 hours ago, youllneverwalkalone said:

Transfermarkt often has stats for U19 Spain. I couldn't find anything on Diego Lorenzo other than he's a centre forward. I assume these loans won't be for actual prospects for their first team, but more like prospects for the B team?

Clanahan mentioned that they were intrigued by the U-Sport deal. I wonder if this is a part of a recruiting tool in talking to parents of 12 year-olds? Even if you don't make the B club, we can send you to Canada to attend a lovely little university called Carleton and continue your professional career in the CPL. Could be a good pitch, actually.

Here's the official At Madrid Juvenil A roster, from the Madrid Region Football Federation site. Diego Lorenzo on the list of 21.

https://www.rffm.es/pnfg/NPcd/NFG_VisEquipos?cod_primaria=1000119&Codigo_Equipo=20

I looked at the RFEF site for the last few weeks and he regularly subs on for the last 15 minutes. He started their last game vs Union Adarve and subbed out m. 68.

https://www.rfef.es/actas?pid=2768037

They just beat Rangers in Youth League, he subbed on m. 86. They play Ajax in round of 16 in early March, single knock-out.

I am not sure how you entice a player to Ottawa and the CPL. I can honestly say that most would not even want to go to Mexico. Those developing want to be as close to the home club as possible and in the Spanish system, in the loop. 

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8 hours ago, Viruk42 said:

The one I've seen suggested elsewhere is Sergio Castel, currently on loan with Jamshedpur FC

Just a comment on level. Iain Hume was a leading scorer in the ISL. Two off seasons (January window to end of season) he went to play in Spain. At Pontferradina, in 2nd division, he struggled as did the team, who relegated.

At Extremadura, in 2B, third tier, he did much better, scored and showed well, the team was built to promote and it did. 

A good ISL player should be able to make a difference in CPL, which I consider to be like a mid to low Spanish third tier or high 4th.

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36 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Just a comment on level. Iain Hume was a leading scorer in the ISL. Two off seasons (January window to end of season) he went to play in Spain. At Pontferradina, in 2nd division, he struggled as did the team, who relegated.

At Extremadura, in 2B, third tier, he did much better, scored and showed well, the team was built to promote and it did. 

A good ISL player should be able to make a difference in CPL, which I consider to be like a mid to low Spanish third tier or high 4th.

Yeah, Hume's an Atlético Kolkata legend and he has voiced his interest in playing in the CPL, so he would make a lot of sense as a signing. Even if he isn't a key player, he'd be a fantastic veteran presence to have on a team that is probably going to be quite young.

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10 minutes ago, Zem said:

Yeah, Hume's an Atlético Kolkata legend and he has voiced his interest in playing in the CPL, so he would make a lot of sense as a signing. Even if he isn't a key player, he'd be a fantastic veteran presence to have on a team that is probably going to be quite young.

It never occured to me until now that he was on their team in India, that is perhaps why his agent found him these contracts in Spain. That is actually a good little connection, maybe even Atlético Ottawa could pick him up.

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22 hours ago, youllneverwalkalone said:

Transfermarkt often has stats for U19 Spain. I couldn't find anything on Diego Lorenzo other than he's a centre forward. I assume these loans won't be for actual prospects for their first team, but more like prospects for the B team?

Clanahan mentioned that they were intrigued by the U-Sport deal. I wonder if this is a part of a recruiting tool in talking to parents of 12 year-olds? Even if you don't make the B club, we can send you to Canada to attend a lovely little university called Carleton and continue your professional career in the CPL. Could be a good pitch, actually.

First team depth players from Atlético (Spain) would be beyond amazing. I think it’s far more realistic, and totally appropriate for this level, to have an Atleti B player on loan in Ottawa. He’d probably dominate. 

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51 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said:

I’m embarrassed for Ottawa fans on Twitter right now, that’s why I love it here.

Um I just did a quick twitter search. What's the issue to be embarrassed about?

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8 hours ago, Initial B said:

Um I just did a quick twitter search. What's the issue to be embarrassed about?

Check FuryFanatic’s new Twitter feed, @ottleti (?), there’s one or more people who’ve created multiple troll accounts mimicking him and SMR and accusing them of bullying when it looks like the troll account who is the bully. Everything is hashtaged CanPL so if you go back to last evening you’ll see. Also that guy “from above” has jumped in and gone after everyone, he’s using @AtleticoOttawa, which isn’t a good look for the new club.

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