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10 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Actually, what is cringy is to talk about something you do not know aobut. Are you aware that American corporate design tried to influence some companies and institutions in Canada to alter the excess use of red and white during the Cold War? And eliminated its own use of just red and white by the mid-50s, as the political fanaticism of the McCarthy era drove corporate designers like Raymond Loewy to almost always add the blue and not leave red alone?

Some Canadian corporations and the federal government resisted these attempts, of course, although the associations were made. 

You cannot make categorical comments about the meaning of a colour because they are always contextual, usually plural and not monolithic, and contexts can always be changed.

I happen to be a university professor of the history and theory of art and design, as quite a few people on this board know. That does not mean anything about my taste, but does make me a bit intolerant about visual illiterates trying to steamroll their fanatical opinions on everyone else. Atlético Madrid makes a huge step to guarantee the league's future and strengthens the Mediapro alliance, and all people can do is say their logo looks American. So pathetic.

 

I'm a graphic designer.... I literally make logos.

You're overthinking this WAY too much or you just like to hear yourself talk, I can't tell anymore. You've forgotten this is a sports logo. It's there to market. It's supposed to advertise a team. Many people aren't going to know half the **** you just said. If the logo is reminding them of something else, the logo isn't done properly. This is exactly what they tell us to prevent when making a logo.

When you have the colour schemes (famous red, white, and blue) mixed in with the same pattern (red and white stripes with a blue bar) It resembles too close to the American flag. Just look at this sub. It's living proof. Which means there's a lot of fault in the logo.

People will like it, it's all opinions in the end. But it could've been sooo much more. To be honest, the empty white space bugs me more. I can't believe they did that lol.

Anyway i'm going to end the conversation here. Gotten stale.

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6 minutes ago, Initial B said:

I'll be supporting this club, and I'm fine with the crest. What I'm NOT fine with is Mista as coach/GM. I'm leaving now to the AO event at Lansdowne to ask him if he'll be a better coach than he was as a player with TFC.

Edit: Looks like it's actually gaining international traction. Here's the Reuters blurb:

https://asia.eurosport.com/football/mista-named-first-head-coach-of-atletico-ottawa_sto7660792/story.shtml

When they said there was a Canada and Spain connection, I got very worried it was going to be Floro. I have no idea how good Mista is, but I was full of relief knowing it wasn't Floro.

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18 minutes ago, Colliedor said:

I'm a graphic designer.... I literally make logos.

You're overthinking this WAY too much or you just like to hear yourself talk, I can't tell anymore. You've forgotten this is a sports logo. It's there to market. It's supposed to advertise a team. Many people aren't going to know half the **** you just said. If the logo is reminding them of something else, the logo isn't done properly. This is exactly what they tell us to prevent when making a logo.

When you have the colour schemes (famous red, white, and blue) mixed in with the same pattern (red and white stripes with a blue bar) It resembles too close to the American flag. Just look at this sub. It's living proof. Which means there's a lot of fault in the logo.

People will like it, it's all opinions in the end. But it could've been sooo much more. To be honest, the empty white space bugs me more. I can't believe they did that lol.

Anyway i'm going to end the conversation here. Gotten stale.

I like it when people argue with the same logic as McCarthyism, it's so vintage.

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2 hours ago, BuzzAndSting said:

I’ve always liked that US logo but it didn’t occur to me when I saw the Atletico logo... now what has been seen can’t be unseen 😞 

No need to toss and turn - typical of American sports orgs - the US will change their crest again. I will say in this decade.

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1 hour ago, Colliedor said:

I'm a graphic designer.... I literally make logos.

You're overthinking this WAY too much or you just like to hear yourself talk, I can't tell anymore. You've forgotten this is a sports logo. It's there to market. It's supposed to advertise a team. Many people aren't going to know half the **** you just said. If the logo is reminding them of something else, the logo isn't done properly. This is exactly what they tell us to prevent when making a logo.

When you have the colour schemes (famous red, white, and blue) mixed in with the same pattern (red and white stripes with a blue bar) It resembles too close to the American flag. Just look at this sub. It's living proof. Which means there's a lot of fault in the logo.

People will like it, it's all opinions in the end. But it could've been sooo much more. To be honest, the empty white space bugs me more. I can't believe they did that lol.

Anyway i'm going to end the conversation here. Gotten stale.

It also means there is a lot of people who haven't paid much attention to AM's 100+ year history. If you're actually a follower of world football, AM's should one of the clubs imprinted on you. 

It tells me there is still lots of work to be done in terms of football culture in Canada. So I'm glad AM kept to its roots rather than following the uninformed braying masses.

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4 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Then explain to us how red and white are really communist colours and we should not use them in Canada.

As a socialist I support the continued use of communist colours in Canada! 😛

More seriously I think the logo is good. Is it amazing? Nah, probably not. Is it bad? No, I don't think so. It fits, it makes sense, and I don't really buy the links with the US. As has been said, a lot of countries and teams use red and white stripes with or without the blue. The comparison with that specific US logo, I mean, okay, they're both shield shaped with similar colours, so what? Half of the world's flags are the same shape with similar colours.

I'd argue the bigger question would be the kit design - if that looks like an American kit then fine, but I doubt it, if for no other reason than I can't find a single time the Yanks have used vertical red and white stripes.

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Missed a lot today due to workload insanity, but for what it's worth: 

-Very happy to see the Commissioner, the Mayor, the CEO of Atletico Madrid and even the Spanish ambassador participate in today's event. Gets things off on the right foot. 

-Very happy to see all the kids and youth clubs present at the launch. It'll be important to build those connections and get kids and families on board early on. 

-I'm neither here nor there on the head coach announcement, only because I know nothing about Mista. It sounds intriguing to have someone that closely affiliated with Atletico Madrid, but curious to see how he finds soccer on this side of the pond. 

-For a nickname, I've already seen some CPL articles pushing "Ottleti". I get it, but personally I think this is a bit forced. I'd personally go with "le rouge et blanc"; this would be a good nod to "los rojiblancos" of Atletico and also consistent with their friendly neighbours "le Rouge et Noir" - the formal French-language name of the Ottawa Red Blacks. 

-With respect to the logo, it's simple, clean and easily identifiable. My only gripes are that the top part of the shield seems a bit too empty with so much white space, and the maple leaf looks like it was added as an afterthought. I'd prefer something a bit more front and centre, and I'd go with black rather than blue as an homage to Ottawa typical sporting colours. By no means am I a graphic designer or an out-of-the-box thinker, but this would be my stab at an upgrade. :)

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Edited by m-g-williams

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The scarf colours seem to be black with the crest. The white at the top is made to sit over the black, enhancing the contrast. 

Apart from the 4 stripes being directly from the Atlético crest and shirt, they are also meant to reflect the four smaller towers on the Parliament Building, which if you look at the building itself essentially stripe or rib it. They're aligned even. 

There are really 2 leafs on the crest, one implicitly which we all "see" on the flag at the top, another at the base. 

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7 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

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If you are going to argue that Atlético's colours, if used in Canada, are too American, let's be consistent and argue that Canadian colours are too communist. Especially since our flag was approved just after Bay of Pigs. Now is not the time to let down our guard.

Shhhhh, we all see through you. 

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18 hours ago, JamboAl said:

Are certain people saying that a Canadian team can never have red, white and blue as their team colours?  

I personally love the badge.  But again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

....or how I like to say "Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder".😀

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17 minutes ago, Macksam said:

Bold prediction, Atletico Ottawa becomes bigger than the parent club by 2040. Screen capture this so we can reflect in 20 years.

Just captured it on my iPhone - be prepared to pay a heavy price for this proof should your prediction come to fruition

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6 minutes ago, Senorpopps said:

Just captured it on my iPhone - be prepared to pay a heavy price for this proof should your prediction come to fruition

The heavy price of turning into the Messiah of the Voyageurs, 

"Oh great Macksam, please tell us what else awaits for the future of Canadian soccer?"

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21 minutes ago, Ansem said:

 

  Ottawa vs. San Luis?

Ottawa vs. their B team?

B team lines up well with the Training camp being in Madrid. 

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I would think pre-season in Ottawa would be better for exposure of the team, from both a media and ticket sales standpoint, would allow you to ramp up hype and interest. There are enough indoor facilities to make it viable. 

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20 minutes ago, Cblake said:

I would think pre-season in Ottawa would be better for exposure of the team, from both a media and ticket sales standpoint, would allow you to ramp up hype and interest. There are enough indoor facilities to make it viable. 

Yes but the time frame probably makes it difficult to do - they already said the first home games wouldn't be until May, despite the season starting mid-April, which is likely to give them more time to market the team, get staff reaching out to people who made season ticket deposits, etc. I imagine those same factors impact their ability to have a good pre-season game

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On 2/11/2020 at 3:26 PM, Cblake said:

Any word on the jersey sponsor, wonder if any of the past companies that had their logo on the Fury jersey has been approached?

Clanachan was asked about this at the evening session, and  his response that there were several shirt sponsors vying for the rights and that the fans would be blown away by the kit.   Got the chance to speak with a few other fans and like me they were not Fury STHs but we all will be be buying season tickets this year.

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On 2/11/2020 at 3:17 PM, Unnamed Trialist said:

If he was at TFC for two years, you are saying he did not understand anything of what was going on?

In retrospect, that would explain a few things!

Also, he was at TFC for less than five months.

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