TFC 2020 Season

[rkomar 199]

I give the forwards a break over their forward-passing ratio.  They usually have no one to pass to ahead of them.  If they want to keep possession, they will usually pass it sideways or backwards for a team-mate coming forward.

[Gian-Luca 3,510]

^^^I think you may be misunderstanding me - I'm saying I expect Altidore to be in the same statistical category as Cavallini and Akinola on that chart (maybe a little bit higher, but not a lot), in the box receiving passes so that they can score there. He's got a fairly high score of passes into the box, which must mean that he himself isn't in the box to receive those passes. Both his goals this year have not come from inside the box IIRC. 

[An Observer 722]

Interesting that Baldisimo is so low...in particular the fact he doesnt seem to have played one pass into the penalty area.  But when you look at the whole Whitecaps midfield, they are very negative and poorly rated

[SthMelbRed 1,613]

10 minutes ago, An Observer said:

Interesting that Baldisimo is so low...in particular the fact he doesnt seem to have played one pass into the penalty area.  But when you look at the whole Whitecaps midfield, they are very negative and poorly rated

Baldisimo tends to drop deep and take possession from the CBs within 10 yards of the Whitecaps' box. His forward passes tend to be through midfield or long, cross-field balls. He rarely gets the ball far enough forward for him to be playing lots of balls into the opposition box. 

[Gian-Luca 3,510]

1 hour ago, SthMelbRed said:

Baldisimo tends to drop deep and take possession from the CBs within 10 yards of the Whitecaps' box. His forward passes tend to be through midfield or long, cross-field balls. He rarely gets the ball far enough forward for him to be playing lots of balls into the opposition box. 

Very true - the goals he's helped to set up have been from long diagonal balls of 50 or so yards to wingers who proceed to place it into the box for the likes of Cavallini to knock in. He's just normally too far away from the opposition 18 to play a short through ball or cross into the box.

[rkomar 199]

4 hours ago, Gian-Luca said:

^^^I think you may be misunderstanding me - I'm saying I expect Altidore to be in the same statistical category as Cavallini and Akinola on that chart (maybe a little bit higher, but not a lot), in the box receiving passes so that they can score there. He's got a fairly high score of passes into the box, which must mean that he himself isn't in the box to receive those passes. Both his goals this year have not come from inside the box IIRC. 

Yes, I didn't read your comment carefully enough.  It was clear, but I missed it.

[An Observer 722]

22 hours ago, Gian-Luca said:

Very true - the goals he's helped to set up have been from long diagonal balls of 50 or so yards to wingers who proceed to place it into the box for the likes of Cavallini to knock in. He's just normally too far away from the opposition 18 to play a short through ball or cross into the box.

This is all true but if you look at Bradley who also plays deep (not as deep as Baldisimo but still deep) and Wanyama who does, they both have played balls into the box and even play more positive balls outside the box than Baldisimo.  This is not a total knock against Baldisimo as its probably as much do to the fact that the Whitecaps never retain possession enough to give him the opportunities farther up the field or even from within his own half.  But the jury is still out then on whether Baldisimo can play the shorter positive pass within the final third which he would need to take his game to the next level.

 

[RS 2,059]

On 11/3/2020 at 6:17 PM, Gian-Luca said:

That isn't too surprising. The one that sticks out for me is where Altidore is compared to the other target strikers. It suggests he hasn't been in the box receiving passes this year anywhere near as much as he should be, even when it plays

Altidore’s always been atypical as a target man because he’s a very good passer, and will often look to combine with teammates (even inside the box).

He was always going to be the furthest forward on that graph among the strikers, IMO (especially when compared to pure poachers like Cavallini).

[Gian-Luca 3,510]

Osorio, Akinola and Laryea start for TFC. Priso, Fraser and Nelson are on the bench while Endoh start instead 

[Gian-Luca 3,510]

Someone on TFC needs to injure Bradley so that the decision to play him is taken out of Vanney’s hands for the playoffs 

[Mikmacdo 1,222]

DeLeon should have a hat trick by now. 

[to70 234]

Osorio is the top passer in the MLS this year.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020/11/11/jonathan-osorio-joao-paulo-among-best-passers-2020-mls-season

[rkomar 199]

During the broadcast of the last game, the commentators mentioned that TFC were trying to get special permission from the Canadian government to allow them to train together at home during the break.  I don't know what happened with that, but I really hope they got that permission.  They looked like they were hurting from their lifestyle while playing away in the US.  They seemed spent, and looked like they could really use a couple of weeks at home.

[narduch 2,790]

57 minutes ago, rkomar said:

During the broadcast of the last game, the commentators mentioned that TFC were trying to get special permission from the Canadian government to allow them to train together at home during the break.  I don't know what happened with that, but I really hope they got that permission.  They looked like they were hurting from their lifestyle while playing away in the US.  They seemed spent, and looked like they could really use a couple of weeks at home.

They are back

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by narduch

[gator 2,562]

I hope the same rules applied to Forge when they returned from Panama, it would be challenging if they couldn't train for 2 weeks!

[Gian-Luca 3,510]

Osorio and Laryea set to start against Nashville. Fraser and Priso on the bench as as Akinola and all of his goals as Altidore starts instead 

[dyslexic nam 9,968]

18 minutes ago, Gian-Luca said:

Osorio and Laryea set to start against Nashville. Fraser and Priso on the bench as as Akinola and all of his goals as Altidore starts instead 

I would like to “thumbs up” the first half of the post and sad emoji the part about Akinola.   

[Big_M 1,913]

gonzalez has been awful but cadiz looks slow so might be a good matchup for toronto..everyone on nashville has been good overall and they are missing godoy..will be interesting..looks like 50-50 for now could really go either way

[gator 2,562]

I wish they would actually post the ko time on the MLS website instead of when TSN are going to start talking about the match, until recently the MLS site gave the actual ko time! I'm glad to see Osorio and Laryea start, I would have started Laryea at RB and Gallacher on the left or pushed Laryea into the midfield instead of Deleon!

[dyslexic nam 9,968]

Oso could be gone here...

[dyslexic nam 9,968]

Wow.  Pretty lucky to still be on.  

[gator 2,562]

3 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said:

Wow.  Pretty lucky to still be on.  

Agree, there wasn't too much in it but he did kick out, I thought they would review it!

[Gian-Luca 3,510]

No chance that was even a foul. TFC look rusty and slow. Too many players on the left playing out of position. Altidore doing nothing so far. Game has all the hallmarks of an upset win for Nashville unless Vanney changes things

[dyslexic nam 9,968]

10 minutes ago, Gian-Luca said:

No chance that was even a foul.

If you are talking about Oso’s kick out, that just crazy talk.   

[narduch 2,790]

Osorio will be suspended when they review the play after the game.