2020 Voyageurs Cup Format

[Watchmen]

With the natural increase in Canadian players on the MLS teams already, there's no need to increase the quota in the Voyagers Cup. They should be fielding the best teams possible. 

[Ansem]

According to Montagliani, Forge vs Toronto FC MUST happen before February 16 when the 2021 CCL starts.

TFC - Will they have a coach by then?

Forge - Will they make changes to their squad or use the same one last time?

[Kent]

7 hours ago, Ansem said:

According to Montagliani, Forge vs Toronto FC MUST happen before February 16 when the 2021 CCL starts.

TFC - Will they have a coach by then?

Forge - Will they make changes to their squad or use the same one last time?

I missed the beginning of that interview (halftime of the CCL final on TSN) but by the end it sounded like he wasn't sure when CCL was going to start up, and they could have the Voyageurs Cup final as late as like a week before CCL started.

[SpursFlu]

On 12/23/2020 at 5:38 AM, Kent said:

I missed the beginning of that interview (halftime of the CCL final on TSN) but by the end it sounded like he wasn't sure when CCL was going to start up, and they could have the Voyageurs Cup final as late as like a week before CCL started.

Yah he basically said the CSA will wait for the announcement start of the CCL before they commit to Voyageurs Cup date

[Ansem]

If the MLS season is delayed/ lockout - what does that mean for Forge vs. TFC and CCL

Edited December 29, 2020 by Ansem

[SpursFlu]

So the MLS has no money to pay players but thinks its signing Lionel Messi?

Can I just make a request for planet earth. Can we retire the term "tone-deaf" it means nothing 

[Ansem]

1 hour ago, SpursFlu said:

So the MLS has no money to pay players but thinks its signing Lionel Messi?

Can I just make a request for planet earth. Can we retire the term "tone-deaf" it means nothing 

Great point, and exactly why I feel like the players aren`t going to make further concessions. The specter of not seeing MLS in a while is very real.

Wonder what that means for Forge and the CCL...

USL might get their wish and send their 4 strongest teams after all to CCL 😁

[SpursFlu]

36 minutes ago, Ansem said:

Great point, and exactly why I feel like the players aren`t going to make further concessions. The specter of not seeing MLS in a while is very real.

Wonder what that means for Forge and the CCL...

USL might get their wish and send their 4 strongest teams after all to CCL 😁

Lol... that would be hilarious. I wonder if USL would agree to do that? I'm pretty sure CPL would have no problem taking the spot.

At this point I doubt the owners or league would care if there was a lockout. They would save tons of money if they have to make a go of it with the current rules in place. Especially Canadian teams

Edited December 31, 2020 by SpursFlu

[narduch]

Rollins is saying that the final will be in May or June.

 

[Watchmen]

On 1/16/2021 at 5:46 AM, narduch said:

Rollins is saying that the final will be in May or June.

 

Honestly, if they can't get it done until then, cancel the 2020 edition.  It was a basterdized version of what the tournament should be and if it's held that late it can't even be used to determine Canada's 2020 Champions League spot.

[Kent]

22 hours ago, Watchmen said:

Honestly, if they can't get it done until then, cancel the 2020 edition.  It was a basterdized version of what the tournament should be and if it's held that late it can't even be used to determine Canada's 2020 Champions League spot.

Remember that the 2020 CONCACAF League is still not completed. The 2021 Champions League will likely be after the 2020 Voyageurs Cup.

[Watchmen]

49 minutes ago, Kent said:

Remember that the 2020 CONCACAF League is still not completed. The 2021 Champions League will likely be after the 2020 Voyageurs Cup.

The 2020 CONCACAF League is scheduled to be completed in the next few weeks.  Weren't they still planning to get the 2021 Champions League going this spring?  I thought that was the point to having the Forge/TFC game in February.  If the Champions League is starting after the Voyagers Cup, then of course hold the Voyagers Cup still.

[narduch]

On 1/19/2021 at 10:43 PM, Watchmen said:

Honestly, if they can't get it done until then, cancel the 2020 edition.  It was a basterdized version of what the tournament should be and if it's held that late it can't even be used to determine Canada's 2020 Champions League spot.

So what is your solution? Just give TFC the CCL spot?

It sounds liked the 2021 CCL will start late.

[Watchmen]

5 hours ago, narduch said:

So what is your solution? Just give TFC the CCL spot?

It sounds liked the 2021 CCL will start late.

If the Voyagers Cup doesn't start before the 2021 CCL does, then it's likely the CSA gives the spot to TFC.  It's a bad option, and makes the CSA look worse for not getting the final done last year.  But it's the option they'll likely take, since it sounded previously like if no Voyagers Cup was held they'd give the spot to the top MLS team.

Edited January 22, 2021 by Watchmen

[narduch]

Looks like it will need go be played in March. Will MLS be locked out?

 

[Ansem]

CONCACAF Announces dates for the 2021 tournament - the draw being February 10 with a start date of April 6 - April 8, the Cup final will have to be played by end of March.

Hoping MLS will have resolve their issues

 

 

 

Edited January 22, 2021 by Ansem

[Ansem]

Just now, narduch said:

Looks like it will need go be played in March. Will MLS be locked out?

Good question... It's in the league's corner...

[Ansem]

I wonder what happens to TFC if there's a lockout...

1. Forfeit the game to Forge
2. Ask "volunteers" to play the final

What happen to MLS?

1. They forfeit their games
2. USSF sends USL clubs instead

[narduch]

Could they use TFC II players?

[Ansem]

On 1/22/2021 at 2:41 PM, narduch said:

Could they use TFC II players?

In theory, they could

[nfitz]

On 1/22/2021 at 2:32 PM, Ansem said:

I wonder what happens to TFC if there's a lockout...

Two rules in life.

There's never a second shooter.

The MLS and Players Union always come to an agreement.

MLS have announced that preseason begins February 22. So TFC will be ready to play in March.

When does Hamilton preseason start? Will they even be able to field a team for the beginning of April for Concacaf?

[Ansem]

3 minutes ago, nfitz said:

The MLS and Players Union always come to an agreement.

I hope for the league's safe. What they are asking of the players looks reasonable but when you look closer at what the players might be giving up IF things goes back to normal...it's pretty outrageous.

 

4 minutes ago, nfitz said:

MLS have announced that preseason begins February 22. So TFC will be ready to play in March.

If there's a deal - I don't doubt that the owners are willing to lock them out - they are adamant on the CBA being extended by another 2 years while the players have zero sense of urgency. It's really the league's move at this point.

5 minutes ago, nfitz said:

When does Hamilton preseason start? Will they even be able to field a team for the beginning of April for Concacaf?

Forge will keep most of their core and they still have time to sign players. They were training the entire CONCACAF League season way beyond the Island games. We know CCL starts beginning of April and that the CanChamp must be played before then - I'm sure they'll be prepared for it even if it means starting earlier

[nfitz]

1 hour ago, Ansem said:

We know CCL starts beginning of April and that the CanChamp must be played before then - I'm sure they'll be prepared for it even if it means starting earlier

Will they want to though? They have no realistic chance of advancing - is it worth their while to put a squad together months before they'd need to, to play a closed-door, perhaps not even televised, match - particularly when they are going to be playing 2021 CONACAF League and hopefully Voyageurs Cup matches this summer.

If it were I, I'd be sticking up my hand and saying pass.

[Ansem]

1 hour ago, nfitz said:

Will they want to though? They have no realistic chance of advancing - is it worth their while to put a squad together months before they'd need to, to play a closed-door, perhaps not even televised, match - particularly when they are going to be playing 2021 CONACAF League and hopefully Voyageurs Cup matches this summer.

If it were I, I'd be sticking up my hand and saying pass.

Where is this self-defeating weak and soft Canadian "politeness" coming from?

Of all the F'N domestic cups in the world where part-timers in the 6th division gives their all to compete against an EPL clubs or top tier club - Only in F'N Canada you'd find fans who'd imply that lower seeded teams should just stay home.

F me...

Edited January 26, 2021 by Ansem

[narduch]

How are their chances not realistic? TFC have a new coach. They will probably have big roster turn over. They will also have not played a competitive match at that point.

Hell we are only 2 years removed from TFC being knocked out of the Champions League by a lowly Panamanian side.

I just don't understand this mentality. The football mentality of being a billionaire bootlicker essentially.