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12 minutes ago, Mikmacdo said:

IT was posted on the CPL website, I dont get whats wrong with a female supporters group? The more groups/fans out there the better. 

The more fans the better, I’m with you there. I don’t like the obvious political feel to their blurb, and I’m generally not a fan of dividing people into groups based on their immutable characteristics.

I’ve got no problem with a supporter’s group called “dames of York” but I’m not really excited about the “inclusive atmosphere for all those who identify as women” bit - first, its definitional exclusion, not inclusion, to have an X or Y only group. If there were a group promoting an “inclusive atmosphere for all men who support York 9” how would that play?

Second, why use politically laden language? Why not just say something like: “an inclusive York 9 supporters group for everyone interested in supporting our great club” (their name and image clearly convey the female-friendly culture of the group, the ‘identifies as’ is just unnecessary. The word “everyone” would cover that in a much less political way). 

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34 minutes ago, Ams1984 said:

The more fans the better, I’m with you there. I don’t like the obvious political feel to their blurb, and I’m generally not a fan of dividing people into groups based on their immutable characteristics.

I’ve got no problem with a supporter’s group called “dames of York” but I’m not really excited about the “inclusive atmosphere for all those who identify as women” bit - first, its definitional exclusion, not inclusion, to have an X or Y only group. If there were a group promoting an “inclusive atmosphere for all men who support York 9” how would that play?

Second, why use politically laden language? Why not just say something like: “an inclusive York 9 supporters group for everyone interested in supporting our great club” (their name and image clearly convey the female-friendly culture of the group, the ‘identifies as’ is just unnecessary. The word “everyone” would cover that in a much less political way). 

I think your politicizing it by posting this. Maybe some women will just feel more comfortable in an all female supporters group. This kind of post is something one would see in the US where every thing is so politicized , they have somehow made this Corona virus into a left vs right thing in the US too. Nothing wrong with people wanting to be in a group they feel more comfortable in and especially women in this case.

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2 minutes ago, SoccMan said:

I think your politicizing it by posting this. Maybe some women will just feel more comfortable in an all female supporters group. This kind of post is something one would see in the US where every thing is so politicized , they have somehow made this Corona virus into a left vs right thing in the US too. Nothing wrong with people wanting to be in a group they feel more comfortable in and especially women in this case.

Ha ha... okay. I’m not going to bite on the US bashing. Look, the blurb is political in my opinion, and therefore I’m not sure how I can react in a totally apolitical way. I thought I did a pretty decent job of it by not addressing the normative valuations intrinsic to the language they used, instead I said (in other words) ‘I like equality and inclusiveness, and I find this to be unnecessarily exclusive’... if that qualifies as political, I guess everything is.  

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2 minutes ago, Macksam said:

I have to agree with Ansem. The moment I saw the political buzzwords of inclusive and identify, my face went 😄.

Yep... it’s not a big deal I guess, I just sighed and thought ‘ok, here we go’. On the plus side, I just read that they’ll be doing outreach to try to get more fans into the stadium, so there’s that. We definately need to improve attendance. 
 

My biggest fear (in terms of this league) is that it’ll become politicized. I get enough political garbage shoved down my throat everywhere else all day, every day. I’m also afraid that if they go too political, they may actually turn off a lot of people. Hence my suggested different wording for their blurb. It achieves the same thing without the political buzz words. 

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13 minutes ago, Ams1984 said:

Yep... it’s not a big deal I guess, I just sighed and thought ‘ok, here we go’. On the plus side, I just read that they’ll be doing outreach to try to get more fans into the stadium, so there’s that. We definately need to improve attendance. 
 

My biggest fear (in terms of this league) is that it’ll become politicized. I get enough political garbage shoved down my throat everywhere else all day, every day. I’m also afraid that if they go too political, they may actually turn off a lot of people. Hence my suggested different wording for their blurb. It achieves the same thing without the political buzz words. 

Hopefully it does not get to that point. 

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22 minutes ago, y1y1y1 said:

you both kinda made it political rather than just being "ok cool more fans the better"

Sorry, that’s just not the case. 
 

When people choose to use political buzz words in the blurb about their group and it’s purpose, they’ve politicized it, not the people who later recognize and comment on their use of political buzz words. 

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45 minutes ago, Ams1984 said:

Sorry, that’s just not the case. 
 

When people choose to use political buzz words in the blurb about their group and it’s purpose, they’ve politicized it, not the people who later recognize and comment on their use of political buzz words. 

they're not really political words if we look at the tweet. they're incredibly common words, like inclusive, used for almost all communal and social environments, including by other sgs, and have been for ages. it probably isn't designed as a political statement of any type but rather one to get more people out there who might not otherwise go to games.

all they did was say we're a new fan group designed to be accommodating to people who might not feel comfortable, for whatever reason, with the current fan groups. you've taken it to possibly represent something wrong and worrying for political reasons.

in short the language is too general and common to really be political unless one looks for ways to read as such.

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I never been a part of a supports group that excluded women. RPB, U Sector and other TFC supporters groups always welcomed women, so have the V’s.  I’m not involved with GenIX or the Green Lions but I have never see anything they post say women supporters were rejected.  This seems very gimmicky. 

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10 minutes ago, Stouffvillain said:

I never been a part of a supports group that excluded women. RPB, U Sector and other TFC supporters groups always welcomed women, so have the V’s.  I’m not involved with GenIX or the Green Lions but I have never see anything they post say women supporters were rejected.  This seems very gimmicky. 

they haven't done anything wrong and i don't think this implies they have. it's just trying to create a women's focused group, which is fine. it's goal is to get people out to game and if it's gimmicky whatever, it's goal and existence are fine.

it's founding probably stems from its founders hoping to meet more women who enjoy professional soccer on campus than anything really political.

also would be totally shocked if any modern supporters group actively excluded women

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8 minutes ago, Stouffvillain said:

I never been a part of a supports group that excluded women. RPB, U Sector and other TFC supporters groups always welcomed women, so have the V’s....

Are the Inebriatti not a significant factor in Y9's vocal support? Maybe there's a bit of a wannabe Ultras angle going on that skews things more heavily male than is the case with RPB and U-Sector, who would last about 5 seconds if they were faced with a group of casuals in the UK back in the 1980s, which is a good thing before anyone takes umbrage at that. We obviously don't want anything like that anywhere near Canadian soccer.

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Reading the cpl.ca article, the lead organizer said they weren't too many women in the stands. She was the only woman in the supporters section and didn't feel included. 

Just because there is nothing outward about not welcoming women, it doesn't mean women will feel comfortable. There is nothing political about this. 

Anyway, I thought it was good move on her part. Not sure how successful she'll be. Good for Y9 to help out. I like this type of bottom up initatives with a light touch from the club rather than the over bearing top down marketing we often see from pro clubs in North America.

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1 minute ago, red card said:

Reading the cpl.ca article, the lead organizer said they weren't too many women in the stands. She was the only woman in the supporters section and didn't feel included. 

Just because there is nothing outward about not welcoming women, it doesn't mean women will feel comfortable. There is nothing political about this. 

Anyway, I thought it was good move on her part. Not sure how successful she'll be.

I hope she is successful. We need more fans (men, women, everybody!). The only issue I take with it is the use of political buzz words in their blurb. Specifically “inclusive” and “identify as”. 
 

I’ve got no problem with a group being called ‘dames of York 9’. It’s name and logo are enough to convey its purpose. They could’ve said something like ‘I was often the only woman in the ultras section, so I wanted to create a group to attract more women to the stands’. My reaction would’ve then been entirely positive. But the inclusion of political new-speak sends a very political message. There is no need for it unless your purpose is political. 

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12 minutes ago, Ams1984 said:

...The only issue I take with it is the use of political buzz words in their blurb. Specifically “inclusive” and “identify as”. 

again they're very general words and terms and i think you're making them more political than they should be taken. this is definitely not among the most 'political' language we've seen from a cpl sg.

also she did state as much, about wanting to attract more women cause she felt like the only woman, in the cpl article.

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7 hours ago, Ams1984 said:

Sorry, that’s just not the case. 
 

When people choose to use political buzz words in the blurb about their group and it’s purpose, they’ve politicized it, not the people who later recognize and comment on their use of political buzz words. 

They can use whatever words they want. Free country. If the words "inclusive" and "identify as women" upset you, that's nobody's problem but yours. Everybody should mind their own business.

Some of you are surprised that solitary women feel threatened and uncomfortable surrounded by a bunch of drunk idiots capable of disappearing into a crowd? Try imagining the world from a different perspective sometime.

Good for you, ladies. Shut off the comments section and do what makes you happy.

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1 hour ago, dmont said:

They can use whatever words they want. Free country. If the words "inclusive" and "identify as women" upset you, that's nobody's problem but yours. Everybody should mind their own business.

Some of you are surprised that solitary women feel threatened and uncomfortable surrounded by a bunch of drunk idiots capable of disappearing into a crowd? Try imagining the world from a different perspective sometime.

Good for you, ladies. Shut off the comments section and do what makes you happy.

They can do whatever they want. I can also opine however I’d like. As I said, I’ve no problem with a group that caters to female fans. I have a problem with the unnecessary use of political buzz words. I don’t want politics in soccer. It’s already being shoved down everyone’s throats in the movies, on tv, and in music. It’s divisive and unnecessary, and we don’t need to politicize soccer, it’s the quickest way to alienate huge swaths of potential fans. 
 

I want EVERYONE to enjoy York 9 FC. That includes women. Men too. Minorities and non-minorities also. Liberals, Conservatives, and everyone in between. How some people don’t get this is beyond me. 

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Geesh, its International womens day.  If they put a couple buzzwords that "trigger" you in there, maybe u can swallow it??  The TFC website had a big article about female employees, I can CPL wanting to showcase a all female supporter group. 

Personally I dont give a rats ass if there is a left handed, red headed LARP soccer supporters group.  The more the merrier eh??  

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@dmont, @SthMelbRed and @Bison44

You three are absolutely right.

I will create my own supporters group that will advocate nothing but support for the third position, we will call it the Y9 Union of Fascists. 

I hope the name of my group doesn't overly bother you all with faux rage. I hope you don't give a rat's ass if there is an alternative position LARP soccer supporters group. It's a free country right?

If you have any issue with this group, perhaps you should go seek therapy. 

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All politics aside, there is an inescapable logical.... Irony? ... some sort of disconnect when using the word "inclusive" about something that eliminates half the population, that I can't help but chuckle at.

Not saying there's anything wrong with that. Not saying there's anything right with that. Cannot state strongly enough how much I am not taking any sort of position. 

Just purely from a wordplay angle:

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