archer21 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 21 minutes ago, Bdog said: So even if we win our group we have to go through probably the US? Hopefully Costa Rica upsets them but yeah more than likely USA or Mexico (probably USA) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Looking at past results, I think I'm underestimating EL Salvador and Honduras at the U23 level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) As usual, Canada faces a tough task to reach the Olympics. We haven't attended in 8 straight tournaments. However, we have built some of the best depth I have ever seen since following the national team. The trickle down to the olympic team is expected. We can really put together a strong team compared to previous cycles. Most of our players are further along professionally this go around. Take Shamit Shome for example, who just won his senior first cap. He has already played close to 40 games with the Montreal Impact, and started many of those games. We had very few players with so much MLS experience. Hell, most of our players didn't even have any senior national team experience. This time around a large portion of our team will have greater experience in both. Shamit Shome, Liam Fraser, Matthew Chioniere, Clement Bayia, Jacob Schaffleburg, Zachary Brault-Guillard, Theo Bair and Kamal Millar all have more experience MLS first team experience than anyone who was on the 2015 team. Nobody from back then even comes close! Plus they will all be first team senior players by March. We never had 8 senior internationals back in 2015. We only had 2. But that's not all folks. We have more players in good European environments too. Byrn and Bassong aren't seeing much time with Belenenses and Cercle Brugges, but to be involved with those first teams is pretty good by Canadian standards. And last but not least, we have players in the Canadian Premier League which will likely round out the roster. Tristen Borges, David Chioniere, Terrance Campbell, Diyaeddine Abzi, Chrisnovic N'sa and Malik Hamilton all just played a full season of professional first team minutes to varying levels of success. That ensures that virtually all the players selected will come with professional first team minutes this year. Edited January 10, 2020 by Obinna toontownman and Shway 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Settling on a squad and giving them some preparation games will be a key to whether we have a shot at qualification or not. Shway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, ray said: Settling on a squad and giving them some preparation games will be a key to whether we have a shot at qualification or not. I imagine having several under 23 players in the senior camp helps them get familiar with one another, but ideally they can get a few games together as an actual team before the tournament kicks off. Maybe a friendly game against a Liga MX reserve team once they get situated in Mexico? U-23 eligible players in senior camp at the moment are: Pantemis, Miller, Cornelius, Godinho, Bassong, Okello, Fraser, Shome, Nelsen, Borges, Schaffelburg, Bair and Byrm. Having those 13 training together right now at least builds a foundation to build upon. Edited January 10, 2020 by Obinna Shway, InBorjanWeTrust and toontownman 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Obinna said: U-23 eligible players in senior camp at the moment are: Pantemis, Miller, Cornelius, Godinho, Bassong, Okello, Fraser, Shome, Nelsen, Schaffelburg, Bair and Byrm. And Borges. toontownman, InBorjanWeTrust and Obinna 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, RS said: And Borges. I did originally forget him, but he has been added. Thanks! Hope he sees the field today! RS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Obinna said: U-23 eligible players in senior camp at the moment are: Pantemis, Miller, Cornelius, Godinho, Bassong, Okello, Fraser, Shome, Nelsen, Borges, Schaffelburg, Bair and Byrm. Having those 13 training together right now at least builds a foundation to build upon. When you say it like that. This is actually a solid core to build off or to even assess a lot of players! You would think these 13 guys have 1 foot in the team meaning 7 spots available. But there's a list of 20 guys who are worthy to be in the team, so selection will be interesting. And too think Tabla, and Millar could be available - I think they'll instantly slot into Biellos lineup. Edited January 10, 2020 by Shway Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Do we even want to call Tabla at this point? I thought I heard he passed on this camp. He needs to get squared away at whatever club he signs for and hasnt done much of anything for a year or longer. Not sure if he warrants any potential problems he might bring. I'd rather see the guys that are fringe MLS right now get a shot. El Hombre and deschamp86 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Bison44 said: Do we even want to call Tabla at this point? I thought I heard he passed on this camp. He needs to get squared away at whatever club he signs for and hasnt done much of anything for a year or longer. Not sure if he warrants any potential problems he might bring. I'd rather see the guys that are fringe MLS right now get a shot. Yes, yes, yes! Just because a kid has a bad season or two, doesn't mean his seasons before are considered flukes. If you've seen what he's done in atleast half of the 70+ pro games he's played at by the age of 20, you'd be crazy to not want him in the team. So what if he passed, he doesn't have a contract anywhere... Imagine if he got injured? What potential problems? Let's not make up things, or try to create a narrative about a kid who's in the infancy of his career. Remember what was said about Cavallini? Plain and simple if he doesn't warrant a call up, then the bar is really high and a lot of guys don't deserve it either. Edited January 10, 2020 by Shway Stryker911, Ruffian and Olympique_de_Marseille 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deschamp86 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Shway said: Yes, yes, yes! Just because a kid has a bad season or two his seasons before are considered flukes. If you've seen what he's done in atleast half of the 70+ pro games he's played at by the age of 20, you'd be crazy to not want him in the team. So what if he passed, he doesn't have a contract anywhere... Imagine if he got injured? What potential problems? Let's not make up things, or try to create a narrative about a kid who's in the infancy of his career. Remember what was said about Cavallini? Plain and simple if he doesn't warrant a call up, then the bar is really high and a lot of guys don't deserve it either. I'd agree if there weren't other players that were also deserving. With the advent of CPL and a lot of younger MLS players getting playing time, the U23 isn't a walk-on team anymore. If there are players playing better currently than him, I don't see why he should be on the team. Now that we have more options its time that the players earn their spots. But regardless of all that I feel like Biello will take him anyway if he is available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 I'm not making anything up, he had problems last year with Impact. He has barely played in the last year, and not going to this camp will hurt his chances at the u-23. If it comes down to him or one of Shafflebourg/Borges/M. Choiniere etc...I dont know if he beats those guys out just based on promise he showed 2-3 years ago. deschamp86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 18 minutes ago, Shway said: Yes, yes, yes! Just because a kid has a bad season or two, doesn't mean his seasons before are considered flukes. If you've seen what he's done in atleast half of the 70+ pro games he's played at by the age of 20, you'd be crazy to not want him in the team. If only Marcus Godinho could get half as long a leash as some of the others around here... dyslexic nam and RS 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) It's not that I don't want us to call Tabla, but moreso I have a tough time seeing him accepting a call. If he turned down a call for the senior team, for personal reasons (that haven't been disclosed), why would he accept an U23 call? Circumstances can obviously change and we are not yet sure why he turned the camp poutine invite down. Maybe he doesn't like poutine? We don't know! The flip side is that it is hard to reserve judgement and not jump to conclusions when the info is vague and possibly conflicting. I don't blame the CSA for being vague as they are under no obligation to disclose more, but we know the other unavailable players are dealing with injury, etc. There is nothing out there suggesting he is injured or has a family matter to attend to, birth of a child, etc. We are left to speculate, unfortunately. Edited January 10, 2020 by Obinna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 I'll give a legitimate reason: How about he's a 20yo professional without a contract, and probably seeking a good team Ligue 1, Germany, Belgium... somewhere in Europe. Is it worth him risking an injury, which would affect his immediate future contract? High risk, real low reward for him coming. We were okay with Larin rejecting the call for his career... Look what that did for him! CANMNT_SUPERFAN, Kadenge, Ruffian and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deschamp86 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 21 minutes ago, El Hombre said: If only Marcus Godinho could get half as long a leash as some of the others around here... He wouldn't if we had had a player that made the right back position their own since Paul Stalteri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Shway...would you call him above the others people have mentioned?? Who cares why he missed this golden chance? What wingers/mids are you calling?? 7 midfielders.....here is mine.....Fraser, Shome, M. Choinere, Borges, Shaff, Okello, Nelsen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Shway said: I'll give a legitimate reason: How about he's a 20yo professional without a contract, and probably seeking a good team Ligue 1, Germany, Belgium... somewhere in Europe. Is it worth him risking an injury, which would affect his immediate future contract? High risk, real low reward for him coming. We were okay with Larin rejecting the call for his career... Look what that did for him! I am pretty sure Tabla's contract was for 3 years, so it won't expire until 2021. He also has a buy-out clause of $25 million, though I am sure Barca would happily accept a fraction of that at the moment. Edited January 10, 2020 by Obinna Shway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soccer.shocker Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Heard that Tabla was committed but withdrew From camp poutine because of illness. As a result, another fortunate young player got called and got their first cap the other night it or might get it tonight so there is a silver lining. Maybe Borges was the call up to replace him? Who knows. Wishing Tabla speedy recovery and hope to see him back on the pitch somewhere soon. Olympique_de_Marseille, dyslexic nam, Kadenge and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 16 minutes ago, Bison44 said: Shway...would you call him above the others people have mentioned?? Who cares why he missed this golden chance? What wingers/mids are you calling?? 7 midfielders.....here is mine.....Fraser, Shome, M. Choinere, Borges, Shaff, Okello, Nelsen. Let's assume the break down is 2-GK, 8-DF, 12 MF/FW. (Since you put CMDs with Wingers I'll put it all in one bucket.) Based on this I'm calling: *Millar, Bair, Shaffelburg, Brym, Borges, Chonierie, Tabla, Nelson, Shome, Fraser, Okello, Norman Jr. *If Millar can't show then Campbell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 I'm also excited to see how Nelson does against Barbados tonight. He seems like the new project player, and I want to see if he deserves the shot over the likes of Campbell, Peruzza, Ennin, Zannatta or even Ongaro. We've never had this scenario before! CANMNT_SUPERFAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 25 minutes ago, Shway said: Let's assume the break down is 2-GK, 8-DF, 12 MF/FW. (Since you put CMDs with Wingers I'll put it all in one bucket.) Based on this I'm calling: *Millar, Bair, Shaffelburg, Brym, Borges, Chonierie, Tabla, Nelson, Shome, Fraser, Okello, Norman Jr. *If Millar can't show then Campbell. Some of the players you are missing (in order of my preference): Harry Paton Jordan Perruzza Dario Zanatta Tajon Buchanon Kris Twardek Stefan Mitrovic Ryan Raposo Michael Baldisimo Simon Colyn Clement Bayiha Aidan Daniels Gabriel Boakye Calin Calaidjoglu That kid that played with Twardek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) Wow Twardek is still eligible. Edited January 10, 2020 by Blackdude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, Blackdude said: Wow Twardek is still eliglble. Crazy right. I've seen enough of him to not rate him for this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, El Hombre said: If only Marcus Godinho could get half as long a leash as some of the others around here... Marcus needs to sign with Barcelona first☺ Edited January 10, 2020 by Kadenge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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