Olympic Qualifying U24 Tournament - Guadalajara Mexico - March 18 to 30 2021

[RS]

I can see FIFA and the IOC coming to some sort of one-time agreement that allows the 1997s to be eligible for next year.

[Stryker911]

Perhaps. I dont see why they would change the rules. This will effect every country equally. There will be hundreds of athletes across all sports that will miss their peak or prime due to a year postponement.

[MM3/MM2/MM]

Yes, but soccer is the only sport with a maximum age limit, any other sport is based on your ability.

Edited March 24, 2020 by MM3/MM2/MM

[nfitz]

On 3/23/2020 at 7:52 PM, RS said:

I can see FIFA and the IOC coming to some sort of one-time agreement that allows the 1997s to be eligible for next year.

I wouldn't think that the IOC would even be party to the decision. 100% up to FIFA isn't it?

[RS]

59 minutes ago, nfitz said:

I wouldn't think that the IOC would even be party to the decision. 100% up to FIFA isn't it?

Yes, but the IOC would at least have some input.

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

On 3/23/2020 at 7:52 PM, RS said:

I can see FIFA and the IOC coming to some sort of one-time agreement that allows the 1997s to be eligible for next year.

Looks like it will still be 97's. So U24 in 2021.

 

[Shway]

Any leaks as to what would have been @GlassCity. 

With Solomon apparently being called into the March friendlies, I really do wonder who wouldve been the LBs between Abzi, Bassong, Miller,

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

CONCACAF have stated that the postponed tournament will still take place in Mexico.

[toontownman]

On 4/3/2020 at 2:16 PM, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

Looks like it will still be 97's. So U24 in 2021.

 

Glad for the 97s. Hopefully they get game time to improve over the next year. 

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

On 4/14/2020 at 9:46 PM, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

CONCACAF have stated that the postponed tournament will still take place in Mexico.

Looks like CONCACAF have changed their minds; the tournament might be moved to the USA.

https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/universal-deportes/futbol/concacaf-planea-robarle-preolimpico-mexico

March 2021 is one of the proposed dates. Other articles mention Bradenton, Florida. The IMG academy fields might indeed be ideal if all the matches have to be played behind closed doors.

Another rumour is that CONCACAF will decide something in the next week about dates and location.

On 4/3/2020 at 4:16 PM, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

Looks like it will still be 97's. So U24 in 2021.

 This is official now:

https://www.fifa.com/who-we-are/news/fifa-council-unanimously-approves-covid-19-relief-plan

January 1st 1997 and younger. "U24" it is!

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

The latest rumour is that the tournament will be in Guadalajara in 2021. With fans if possible. Closed door if not.

https://www.mediotiempo.com/futbol/concacaf-liga-de-campeones/concachampions-en-septiembre-preolimpico-se-jugara-en-guadalajara

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

On 6/25/2020 at 1:37 PM, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

This is official now:

https://www.fifa.com/who-we-are/news/fifa-council-unanimously-approves-covid-19-relief-plan

January 1st 1997 and younger. "U24" it is!

Well apparently this was only FIFA official. Now it's IOC official. So it's official-official now.

https://www.olympic.org/news/ioc-announces-adapted-tokyo-2020-qualification-systems-for-each-sport

If we ever get an Olympic Qualifying tournament, it will be U24. 97's and younger.

97's and younger at the games themselves + 3 overage players.

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

On 7/17/2020 at 3:20 PM, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

Well apparently this was only FIFA official. Now it's IOC official. So it's official-official now.

https://www.olympic.org/news/ioc-announces-adapted-tokyo-2020-qualification-systems-for-each-sport

If we ever get an Olympic Qualifying tournament, it will be U24. 97's and younger.

97's and younger at the games themselves + 3 overage players.

This is still scheduled for March.

CONCACAF are still looking at the possibility shifting this from Guadalajara to Florida.

The problem is they had a deal with a local company that had the contract for event in Mexico. Obviously this company cannot sell the number of tickets they originally thought they would, so there are some contract negations that need to take place. Can there still be fans at a reduced capacity? No fans at all? It also looks like CONCACAF wants to see how the Champions League 2020 unfolds in Orlando before making the final call on a change of venue.

If all the protocols end up working for that tournament, maybe it will convince them.

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I was wondering what you guys think the new 50-man provisional list would look like since a year will have passed. Who falls off the list? Who gets added? https://canadasoccer.com/news/canada-soccer-announces-provisional-list-for-concacaf-mens-olympic-qualifying/

Certainly most would think Scott Kennedy has earned his spot. So who gets the cut?

Does Matthew Nogueira remain on the list as keeper? I can't find any info on Canucks Abroad and it's difficult to find info on the Maritimo U23s in terms of playing time.

https://www.transfermarkt.us/cs-maritimo-sub-23/startseite/verein/67837

https://www.transfermarkt.us/matthew-nogueira/profil/spieler/467545

Is Axel Desjardin, Joakim Milli or Alessandro Busti more worthy of that final spot?

Thoughts?

Edited December 19, 2020 by Olympique_de_Marseille

[Obinna]

1 minute ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

This is still scheduled for March.

CONCACAF are still looking at the possibility shifting this from Guadalajara to Florida.

The problem is they had a deal with a local company that had the contract for event in Mexico. Obviously this company cannot sell the number of tickets they originally thought they would, so there are some contract negations that need to take place. Can there still be fans at a reduced capacity? No fans at all? It also looks like CONCACAF wants to see how the Champions League 2020 goes in Orlando before making the final call on a change of venue.

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I was wondering what you guys think the new 50-man provisional list would look like since a year will have passed. Who falls off the list? Who gets added? https://canadasoccer.com/news/canada-soccer-announces-provisional-list-for-concacaf-mens-olympic-qualifying/

Certainly most would think Scott Kennedy has earned his spot. So who gets the cut?

Does Matthew Nogueira remain on the list as keeper? I can't find any info on Canucks Abroad and it's difficult to find info on the Maritimo U23s in terms of playing time.

https://www.transfermarkt.us/cs-maritimo-sub-23/startseite/verein/67837

https://www.transfermarkt.us/matthew-nogueira/profil/spieler/467545

Is Axel Desjardin, Joakim Milli or Alessandro Busti more worthy of that final spot?

Thoughts?

Not sure about Guadalajara, but from what it understand some Mexican states are more free than others, just like the United States. 

https://theguadalajarareporter.net/index.php/news/news/regional/55822-how-another-jalisco-lockdown-would-play-out

Guadalajara is part of Jalisco state, and here is the latest info I could find on the situation down there. This suggests sports are allowed, provided it is not between 7pm and 6am. 

https://www.travelweekly.com/Mexico-Travel/Insights/Jalisco-in-lockdown-as-Covid-spikes

As of Nov 13th the lockdown has prohibited outdoor crowds to under 50 people, so that may answer your question about fans.

Not sure what the latest information is, but I imagine if anything there would have been more of a loss of freedom, not less, as the trend all around the world has been to further supress gatherings as the holiday season approaches.

[El Diego]

40 minutes ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

This is still scheduled for March.

CONCACAF are still looking at the possibility shifting this from Guadalajara to Florida.

The problem is they had a deal with a local company that had the contract for event in Mexico. Obviously this company cannot sell the number of tickets they originally thought they would, so there are some contract negations that need to take place. Can there still be fans at a reduced capacity? No fans at all? It also looks like CONCACAF wants to see how the Champions League 2020 unfolds in Orlando before making the final call on a change of venue.

If all the protocols end up working for that tournament, maybe it will convince them.

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I was wondering what you guys think the new 50-man provisional list would look like since a year will have passed. Who falls off the list? Who gets added? https://canadasoccer.com/news/canada-soccer-announces-provisional-list-for-concacaf-mens-olympic-qualifying/

Certainly most would think Scott Kennedy has earned his spot. So who gets the cut?

Does Matthew Nogueira remain on the list as keeper? I can't find any info on Canucks Abroad and it's difficult to find info on the Maritimo U23s in terms of playing time.

https://www.transfermarkt.us/cs-maritimo-sub-23/startseite/verein/67837

https://www.transfermarkt.us/matthew-nogueira/profil/spieler/467545

Is Axel Desjardin, Joakim Milli or Alessandro Busti more worthy of that final spot?

Thoughts?

Three other guys that immediately come to mind: Mo Farsi, Ralph Priso, and Belal Halbouni

[Stoppage Time]

1 hour ago, Obinna said:

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Double post.

Edited December 19, 2020 by Stoppage Time
Wrong post response.

[Stoppage Time]

48 minutes ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

This is still scheduled for March.

CONCACAF are still looking at the possibility shifting this from Guadalajara to Florida.

The problem is they had a deal with a local company that had the contract for event in Mexico. Obviously this company cannot sell the number of tickets they originally thought they would, so there are some contract negations that need to take place. Can there still be fans at a reduced capacity? No fans at all? It also looks like CONCACAF wants to see how the Champions League 2020 unfolds in Orlando before making the final call on a change of venue.

If all the protocols end up working for that tournament, maybe it will convince them.

---------

I was wondering what you guys think the new 50-man provisional list would look like since a year will have passed. Who falls off the list? Who gets added? https://canadasoccer.com/news/canada-soccer-announces-provisional-list-for-concacaf-mens-olympic-qualifying/

Certainly most would think Scott Kennedy has earned his spot. So who gets the cut?

Does Matthew Nogueira remain on the list as keeper? I can't find any info on Canucks Abroad and it's difficult to find info on the Maritimo U23s in terms of playing time.

https://www.transfermarkt.us/cs-maritimo-sub-23/startseite/verein/67837

https://www.transfermarkt.us/matthew-nogueira/profil/spieler/467545

Is Axel Desjardin, Joakim Milli or Alessandro Busti more worthy of that final spot?

Thoughts?

Based on what I noticed for recent/present playing, or during the Island Games, I would:

Drop    Boskovic, Romeo, Godhino, Legault, Metcalfe, Kouzine

Add: Farsi, Halbouni, Kennedy, David Choiniere, N'sa, Michael Baldisimo

Cheers!

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

4 minutes ago, El Diego said:

Two other guys that immediately come to mind: Mo Farsi and Ralph Priso

but who gets the cut? If Marcus Godinho is still injured that's an easy swap for Mo Farsi but Godinho might yet recover.

Who gets cut for Priso?

 

 

1 minute ago, Stoppage Time said:

Based on what I noticed for recent/present playing, or during the Island Games, I would:

Drop    Boskovic, Romeo, Godhino, Legault, Metcalfe, Kouzine

Add: Farsi, Halbouni, Kennedy, David Choiniere, N'sa, Michael Baldisimo

Cheers!

Interesting.

Just to be clear,

You want Michael Baldisimo (who has played well for the Whitecaps in 2020): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Baldisimo

but not Matthew Baldisimo of Pacific FC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Baldisimo

[Stoppage Time]

Yes. Michael Baldisimo.

 

[Shway]

I think we will see a lot of changes to this 50 man roster, with some guys who weren't initially listed ending up in the 20 man squad like Johnston, and Corbeanu. 

I made a total of 11 changes:

GK- Sebastian Breza | ITA / SSD Potenza Calcio
GK- Thomas Hasal | CAN / Vancouver Whitecaps FC
GK- Matthew Nogueira | POR / CS Maritimo  Axel Desjardins | ITA / Novara
GK- James Pantemis | CAN / Impact de Montréal
GK- Dayne St. Clair | USA / Minnesota United FC
CB- Robert Boskovic | CAN / Toronto FC II    Martin Amuz | URG | Danubio FC
CB- Derek Cornelius | CAN / Vancouver Whitecaps FC
CB- Julian Dunn | CAN / Toronto FC
CB- Yohan Le Bourhis | CAN / Winnipeg Valour FC  Belal Halbouini | GER / Werder Bremem II
CB- Thomas Meilleur-Giguère | CAN / Pacific FC  Scott Kennedy | GER / Jahn Resengburg 
CB- Kamal Miller | USA / Impact de Montréal
CB- Callum Montgomery | USA / Minnesota United
CB- Antonio Rocco Romeo | CAN / Toronto FC  Chrisnovic NS'a | CAN / York United FC
CB- Frank Sturing | NED / FC Den Bosch
CB- Karifa Yao | CAN / Impact de Montréal
FB- Diyaeddine Abzi | CAN / York United FC
FB- Zorhan Bassong | CAN / Impact de Montréal
FB- Gabriel Boakye | GER / FC Köln II
FB- Zachary Brault-Guillard | CAN / Impact de Montréal
FB- Kadin Chung | CAN / Pacific FC
FB- Marcus Godinho | GER / FSV Zwickau
FB- Daniel Kinumbe | CAN / Halifax Wanderers FC
FB- Émile Legault | Unattached  Mohammed Farsi | CAN / Cavalry FC
FB- Terique Mohammed | CAN / Toronto FC II  Alistair Johnston | USA / Nashville FC
M- Clément Bayiha | CAN / Impact de Montréal
M- Tristan Borges | BEL / Oud-Heverlee Leuven
M- Mathieu Choinière | CAN / Impact de Montréal David Choinière | CAN/ Forge FC
M- Aidan Daniels | USA / Colorado Switchbacks FC
M- Liam Fraser | CAN / Toronto FC
M- Patrick Metcalfe | CAN / Vancouver Whitecaps FC
M- David Norman | USA / Inter Miami CF  Michael Baldisimo | CAN / Vancouver Whitecaps FC
M- Noble Okello | CAN / Toronto FC
M- Harrison Paton | SCO / Ross County FC
M- Ryan Raposo | CAN / Vancouver Whitecaps FC
M- Shamit Shome | CAN / Impact de Montréal
M- Noah Verhoeven | CAN / Pacific FC  Ralph Priso | CAN / Toronto FC
F- Theo Bair | CAN / Vancouver Whitecaps FC
F- Charles-Andreas Brym | FRA / Royal Excel Mouscron
F- Tajon Buchanan | USA / New England Revolution
F- Terran Campbell | CAN / Pacific FC
F- Malik Johnson | USA / Tampa Bay Rowdies
F- Aramis Kouzine | Unattached  Theo Corbeanu | ENG / Wolverhampton Wanderers U23
F- Liam Millar | ENG / Liverpool FC
F- Jayden Nelson | CAN / Toronto FC
F- Easton Ongaro | CAN / FC Edmonton
F- Jordan Perruzza | CAN / Toronto FC
F- Jacob Shaffelburg | CAN / Toronto FC
F- Ballou Jean-Yves Tabla | CAN / Impact de Montréal
F- Kris Twardek | IRL / Bohemian FC
F- Dario Zanatta | SCO / Partick Thistle FC

Edited December 20, 2020 by Shway

[El Diego]

2 hours ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

but who gets the cut? If Marcus Godinho is still injured that's an easy swap for Mo Farsi but Godinho might yet recover.

Who gets cut for Priso?

Kouzine, Boskovic, Legault would be the three for me

[Ivan]

Regardless of who is cut and who is added, this will be a tough team to make!  Nice to see.

[CanadaFan123]

@ShwayI don’t think you added anyone for the Aidan Daniels cut. Richie Ennin or Malik Johnson would be good shouts. But any of the 3 would be good.

David Norman should also probably retain his spot over Metcalfe given he has played professionally. 

Are we sure Martin Amuz is better than a guy like Romeo? Seems to be the “sexy” choice because he’s different but really hasn’t played much at a level that isn’t exactly Italian Serie A defensively.

 

Edited December 20, 2020 by CanadaFan123

[Obinna]

25 minutes ago, CanadaFan123 said:

@ShwayI don’t think you added anyone for the Aidan Daniels cut. Richie Ennin or Malik Johnson would be good shouts. But any of the 3 would be good.

David Norman should also probably retain his spot over Metcalfe given he has played professionally. 

Are we sure Martin Amuz is better than a guy like Romeo? Seems to be the “sexy” choice because he’s different but really hasn’t played much at a level that isn’t exactly Italian Serie A defensively.

 

Metcalfe made 7 or 8 MLS appearances for Vancouver this season, for what it’s worth. I don’t think Norman saw the field for Inter Miami.

[toontownman]

Seems unlikely given the competition but interested to see if Sissoko gets a look in.