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Poll- Who's the first manager to get the boot?

Poll- Who's the first manager to get the boot?  

67 members have voted

  1. 1. The first manager out is......

    • Hart (Halifax)
      5
    • Wheeldon Jr. (Cavalry)
      1
    • Smyrniotis (Forge)
      1
    • Paulus (Edmonton)
      2
    • Gale(Valour)
      33
    • Silberbauer (Pacific)
      18
    • Brennan (York)
      7


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7 minutes ago, ted said:

How does the coach who finished bottom of the table get another year?!?

insane fred savage GIF by The Grinder

I feel like Hart is more ingrained in the club than most since Derek Martin has said a number of times that he isn't a soccer guy. I think there was heavy reliance on Hart for contacts and I am actually pretty surprised that he didn't make better use of them. I think the national team experience on his resume buys him a bit of extra time, but if he puts in another season like this I'd say that he is gone

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#silberbauerout #galeout #hartout

Silberbauer and Hart really underperformed with the squads they had..Valour wasnt projected high but they keep getting heavy losses and clearly Gale doesnt have the answers

Paulus has done ok..its more the ownership thats the issue there

Brennan bad in the spring but better in fall

Obviously Wheeldon and Smyrniotis excellent

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I don't know about insane.  Hart would've been at the top of my list of coaches to go but I don't know that if I were a HFX supporter I would want to see him go at this time.

Pacific weren't doing well but they fielded the youngest team, dealt with significant injuries to marquee players and still managed to come away from year one with some real gems in terms of players.  

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this whole young this young that for pacific and using it as acceptable for these results doesnt work..average age is pretty close to others on transfermarkt and someone like campbell is 21 but how much pro experience does he have..more than plenty of older players in the league..baldisimo chung verhoeven same thing

https://www.transfermarkt.us/jumplist/startseite/wettbewerb/CAN1

https://www.transfermarkt.us/jumplist/startseite/wettbewerb/CA1F

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Gale, Paulus and Hart all seemed to be a bit behind the times on tactics and to not have done a particularly good job on bringing in players from overseas. Think teams shouldn't be afraid of giving recently retired players a first opportunity in coaching.

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5 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

Gale, Paulus and Hart all seemed to be a bit behind the times on tactics and to not have done a particularly good job on bringing in players from overseas. Think teams shouldn't be afraid of giving recently retired players a first opportunity in coaching.

I actually have a bigger problem with Gale's selection of Canadians. Thomas and Murrell are the two most obvious examples and they were named co-captains! Talk about compounding your error. Near post Farago also not good enough. Ditto for Galvis and Ferguson who are both nominally Canadian, I believe. The only internationals who were not good enough were Hoyle, who was quickly shipped out, and arguably Mitter. Arguiñarena, Paolucci, Galan have all been strong, Golubar looked good in his few appearances, while youngster Janssens has also done fairly well.

I don't think it is fair to say that Gale is "behind the times" on tactics. Quite the opposite IMHO. His problem lies in the fact that he refuses to admit his mistakes which of course means he cannot learn from them. To this day I bet he doesn't realize Valour had the worst CB pairing in the league no matter who played there and the worst goalkeeping when Farago was between the sticks. And the way he has continually played Attardo on the wing and deep despite the kid seemingly scoring whenever he plays centre forward and being a gifted poacher borders on the criminal. #GailFail #GaleOut

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3 hours ago, Big_M said:

this whole young this young that for pacific and using it as acceptable for these results doesnt work..average age is pretty close to others on transfermarkt and someone like campbell is 21 but how much pro experience does he have..more than plenty of older players in the league..baldisimo chung verhoeven same thing

https://www.transfermarkt.us/jumplist/startseite/wettbewerb/CAN1

https://www.transfermarkt.us/jumplist/startseite/wettbewerb/CA1F

Why? They very clearly relied on young players more than any other team, and their season was riddled with inconsistent performances and individual mistakes. They made it abundantly clear from the outset that their squad was built with an eye to the future. Average age is not the statistic to assess that

Edited by Aird25

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5 hours ago, ted said:

How does the coach who finished bottom of the table get another year?!?

insane fred savage GIF by The Grinder

The thing with Hart despite the season he is still very popular in Halifax and is really almost the face of the team.

I think he did a poor job this year both in taking in some really poor performing international players, picking way too many defensive players and never really being able to put together a cohesive everyday lineup.

That being said I tried really hard to be angry or dislike him but he is a hell of a nice guy. I know that may not be a reason to keep someone on board but he is very likable. 

I am pretty sure you have to give him one more season to try and correct his mistakes. I mean its year one of a brand new league. I think its crazy to fire a manager who came in knowing nothing about the league and picking a team from scratch. I think you need to give them a min of 2 season to adjust and then evaluate them.

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I don't think you can really validate talk of sacking for being last in this first season. Thats EPL knee jerk trash talk and one of the worst parts of the modern game. There is no relegation. If we use that logic we might as well liquidate York and Edmonton because the crowds were abysmal and sack off some of the younger players that didn't perform as well as we hoped.

It is still very early days and consistency is half the battle. If Halifax and Pacific win tomorrow there could be 2 points between 4th and last and Pacific could sit 4th.

 If it is as appears and he had lost the dressing room and players then he had to go. That is more than acceptable and will happen sometimes. All the managers brought their own vision to the clubs and they are going to need time, just like every other facet of the league. I am sure each manager/club has a 5 year plan for the squad and how everything should progress. 

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Surprised but not entirely surprised.  Everything reads like on-field performances were compounded by board room performances.  Silberbauer doesn't seemed to have gotten either exactly right.

Don't follow Pacific but there had to have been rumblings in the stands and at the pubs.   

I just hope the powers that be have pulled down the framing.  Gale is most likley next for the chop and everyone knows it.  Having a guillotine in plain site would just be poor form from the hosts.  Not very sporting at all. 

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^ To be not too unkind to Gale's bosses, I doubt that they know much about football. I suspect they are just counting turnstile clicks. But even a blind leprechaun could have got a 5k average for a new professional football team in Winnipeg; not a single turnstile click has been down to the performance of a team that went eleven matches without a win (in a 30 match season!), and at IGF got absolutely thrashed multiple times, lost more than twice as often as they won and conceded exactly twice as many goals as they scored. That is an impressive record of failure that even the blindest of leprechauns would be hard pressed to duplicate.

I hope his bosses can at least see that and recognize the massive opportunity that is going begging right now. Chop, chop!

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Hart is the worst manager in the league really. He has some really good players there and doesn't know what to do with them, even if he built the team. 

Also, I hope the votes for Brennan were before the fall season. Even when we were in bad form I still had faith in him because we had seen what the team could do on a rather inconsistent basis.

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6 minutes ago, Lofty said:

^ To be not too unkind to Gale's bosses, I doubt that they know much about football.

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Think you'd be hard pressed to get much argument about that here.  But as with all potential management turn over the 2nd question is how can we do better?  Who could be a replacement and be better?  And just "not being Rob Gale" itself isn't the improvement we're all looking for.   

I have about as much clue as to who to bring in as anyone at Valour/Bomber HQ.  No idea whatsoever.  Of course its also not my job to do responsible hiring so I don't do the leg work.

I think Gale is safe for another year, for a lot of reasons aside from the uncertainty question I mentioned above.  Man has to be aware he's on notice though.  Has no grace left.  

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I don't recall Hart playing the same team twice in a row leading me to call him the CPL's tinkerman...LOL!!

The majority of supporters are behind him and, as a previous poster indicated, it is tough when this is a start-up league.  I do think a couple of bosses, including Hart, could be in trouble if they get off to slow starts next year.

 

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On 10/18/2019 at 5:24 PM, grasshopper1917 said:

The thing with Hart despite the season he is still very popular in Halifax and is really almost the face of the team.

So he is basically the, 'Lenarduzzi" of Halifax, totally untouchable? ;)

On 10/19/2019 at 7:13 AM, Cheeta said:

Don't follow Pacific but there had to have been rumblings in the stands and at the pubs. 

What stands? What Pubs?

In the Supporters end there were lots of the usual tactical questions on a game-by-game basis but overall the vision that Rob was trying to sell of building the future was accepted. This came out of the blue for the majority of fans and was not something being advocated eb masse.

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On 10/18/2019 at 5:29 PM, Lofty said:

I actually have a bigger problem with Gale's selection of Canadians. Thomas and Murrell are the two most obvious examples and they were named co-captains! Talk about compounding your error. Near post Farago also not good enough. Ditto for Galvis and Ferguson who are both nominally Canadian, I believe. The only internationals who were not good enough were Hoyle, who was quickly shipped out, and arguably Mitter. Arguiñarena, Paolucci, Galan have all been strong, Golubar looked good in his few appearances, while youngster Janssens has also done fairly well.

I don't think it is fair to say that Gale is "behind the times" on tactics. Quite the opposite IMHO. His problem lies in the fact that he refuses to admit his mistakes which of course means he cannot learn from them. To this day I bet he doesn't realize Valour had the worst CB pairing in the league no matter who played there and the worst goalkeeping when Farago was between the sticks. And the way he has continually played Attardo on the wing and deep despite the kid seemingly scoring whenever he plays centre forward and being a gifted poacher borders on the criminal. #GailFail #GaleOut

My take on Gale is that he is a very competent and charismatic academy coach however as coach coaching an actual team when the points matter, he has been terrible.  His record speaks for itself:

2015. U20 Concacaf Tournament. 5 games played. 1 Win.  4 Losses. 

2017 U20 Concacaf Tournament. 3 games played. 1 Win.  2 Losses

2019 Valour FC  30 games played. 8 wins 4 ties and 18 losses

Total games 38

Wins 10 Ties 4 Losses 24

 

yes he's is charismatic and a good talker but way over his head coaching a professional team in the CPL

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