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Should Herdman be fired ?

Should Herdman be fired  

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  1. 1. Should Herdman be fired

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1 hour ago, Binky said:

I wonder if a poll questioning, "Do you believe Herdman will get Canada to Qatar?," with a "yes" or "no" reply option, would produce similar results to this poll?

Many people are not capable of firing someone, whereas, it's not as difficult saying what you believe in.

(I tried to do this, but I'm not sure if the poll feature is functioning properly, or if I haven't figured out how to complete it properly? Maybe someone else could start such a poll?)

Second person to not be able to make a poll.

Something must have tweaked in the last point release.

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3 hours ago, Binky said:

I wonder if a poll questioning, "Do you believe Herdman will get Canada to Qatar?," with a "yes" or "no" reply option, would produce similar results to this poll?

Many people are not capable of firing someone, whereas, it's not as difficult saying what you believe in.

(I tried to do this, but I'm not sure if the poll feature is functioning properly, or if I haven't figured out how to complete it properly? Maybe someone else could start such a poll?)

If you do make such a poll, you should also probably include something like "No, but nobody else attainable will get us to the Qatar either" because there will be people that would probably so we can't get there regardless of who coaches.

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9 hours ago, SpecialK said:

Yes I’m bias I know but I don’t get this idea oh not yet wait to nations league and Herdman needs to grown and learn like he’s a high school student. Where are Canadian soccer fans  standards are??? Basically one of Canada’s best squad to ever been  Assembled and Herdman **** the bed! 

1. No friendlies needed ( that’s what he said)

2. He picks of players (mainly back line)

3. He starting XI vs Mexico, tactics and just saying just stupid **** to  justify his BS

4. The Haiti   Collapse And  Game management. Just  a deer in the head lights. 

5. His just plan arrogance !

1. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think Herdman ever said it was his decision that we aren't playing friendlies. That could have come from the CSA and he is just supporting them while talking to the media. We don't know one way or the other.

2. I think overall there has been less controversy over his player picks than the coaches that came before him. We used to have problems getting people to come to games during international breaks, but we haven't been having that problem under Herdman. A Cordova here or a Tabla there is about all people complain about. Much less than in the past.

3. In terms of the tournament, this game really wasn't important at all. All you can really argue is that it could have been treated as a measuring stick game. I still agree with the strategy to give your best chance in the more important Cuba game than to go after the Mexico game with all your might.

4. Yes, 45 minutes of bad soccer. Here you have a point, but some people don't think 45 minutes is enough to fire a person and create turmoil around the team. Nobody mentions the David goal in that game. That looked like a training ground goal. It could very well have been dreamed up by Herdman, like the Hoilett throw in off the back goal in Nations League qualifying. No credit for that, but plenty of blame for a bad turnover at the back, and a rash challenge in the box.

5. If Jose Mourinho and Roberto Mancini taught me anything, it's to not pay any attention to what managers say to the media. A lot of it is mind games. Whether playing up your chances or playing them down. A lot of the time it sounds idiotic, but it's just mind games to try to get the best out of their team, or to get the worst out of their opponents.

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On 7/2/2019 at 11:01 PM, SpecialK said:

I understand the thinking of waiting, but you just can’t go around talking about playing the best teams in CONCACAF and finally when you do get to play as manager you put on the bench and play a style of play that minnows play when they are playing giants, when they want to  survive respectively. After you lose, you Try to justify your stupidity by saying oh we don’t want to show our hand to Mexico( like Tata has never managed before ) Then Throughout the week you talks about playing Mexico again in the semi’s when he’s got a game against Haiti coming up. Haiti beats you and the country and the world thinks your idiot! I’m sorry he doesn’t Deserve another chance he made the program look horrible,  because of his arrogance.

I am with you 100% on this.  I was one of the most voal on this board about his tactical decisions vs Mexico and thought it was a complete farce to be "holding some of your cards in your hand for the semi final rematch".  As if Mexico had no idea the quality that our premier league player Hoilett brings or one of the best Scottish prem players his year Arfield brings, or one of the brightest European based teenager David brings or even Osorio who played extremely well vs Mexican clubs in CONCACAF Champions League.  I agree with all your points.  To me, he should be held accountable and one slip up this fall should be the end in my opinion.

On 7/3/2019 at 12:51 AM, Bertuzzi44 said:

So he didn't deserve the job in the first place, but deserves another shot?

Anyway, I voted he should be fired, mainly because I do not think he should have been given the job in the first place. Then add in other factors like "we don't need friendlies", his loss to Haiti in the QFS all while looking ahead to the semis, in-game management, and roster decisions, etc, and it is a no-brainer for me.

We fired a better manager who was just turning the program around for this clown and gave him the keys to until 2026? Brutal.

 

There are very few posters on this board that were as outspoken as me in support of OZ.  From the beginning , I always said Herdman was out of his element and this Gold Cup proved I was right.  And apparently a lot more people now agree with me.  What OZ did in a short time with far less talent makes his fireing difficult to accept.  But it is the fact that that he did not agree with the CSA on many issues to contributed to his firing.

I don't for one second believe that Herdman does not want friendlies.  As a Head Coach, all you want to do is coach, have training camps and play as many games as possible.  Part of the reason he was hired was so that he could be a "puppet" and do what the CSA tells him to do.  Do you think that its coincidence that OZ complained about lack of friendlies (among other things) and was fired shortly thereafter and then Herdman was hired and almost immediately told the media that his Canada squad does not need friendlies?

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6 hours ago, Kent said:

If you do make such a poll, you should also probably include something like "No, but nobody else attainable will get us to the Qatar either" because there will be people that would probably so we can't get there regardless of who coaches.

Has anyone else attainable made Herdman's guarantee to get Canada to Qatar?

A simple yes or no reply is enough for the question I propose. I comes down to whether or not you believe John Herdman.

In fact, has any other, experienced or inexperienced, coach of a national team promised that he will succeed in securing one of the 31 available Qatar 2022 berths for his country? There might well be, but I have not come across anyone? If you have any links to any other national coach giving such a guarantee, then please share a link to at least one of them with us?

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Apparently KJ and Caldwell talk to Herdman in their latest podcast (post GC). I haven’t had a chance to give it a listen yet but I am curious if they asked him any of the hard questions that have come up in our post mortem. 

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3 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

A reminder to the younger generation of why these guys should be listened to:

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Isn't De Vos part of Herdman's coaching staff?

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25 minutes ago, Obinna said:

Isn't De Vos part of Herdman's coaching staff?

Hes supposed to be the director of player development but apparently moonlights as an assistant coach now. 

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If you guys can have an open mind about Herdman than listen to his interview with KJ and Steven Caldwell on their podcast. We have never had that kind of honesty from anyone in Canadian soccer before. 

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4 minutes ago, Fan1986 said:

If you guys can have an open mind about Herdman than listen to his interview with KJ and Steven Caldwell on their podcast. We have never had that kind of honesty from anyone in Canadian soccer before. 

It is an excellent interview (other than the audio quality of the call) and crucially for me, as KJ and Caldwell indicate after the interview is done, Herdman admits that he needs to learn from his mistakes as well, which is what I wanted to hear from him after this setback. If he had pointed the finger elsewhere I'd be more inclined to join the chorus pushing for his dismissal. Lots of insight, specifics and detail here, and my only complaint is that this sort of interview with a national team coach ought to be at a much more mainstream level than done via a private podcast from two guys from TSN doing this in their spare time (that's  not a complaint against KJ & Caldwell who have done really well here, but a shot at our media in general).

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6 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

A reminder to the younger generation of why these guys should be listened to:

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A hugely missed opportunity to add a second Gold Cup championship to our one and thus far still only international success!!! For a country like Canada, such opportunities only happen once every twenty years. If the CSA does not replace Herdman after this, then the entire CSA Board of Directors, all 14 of them, need to be replaced, because obviously the whole CSA administration does not understand or care about such missed opportunities. How can they endorse what just happened at the Gold Cup? This CSA board does not breed success, and that needs to change right now. What kind of fools hire a totally inexperienced coach, who had no noteworthy victories as a coach of the CWNT, and signs him to an incredible long-long-term sweetheart deal, and thereby placing themselves in a position where it is next to impossible to fire Herdman if he proves to be totally inadequate to coach the CMNT?

These are the kind of people that are running soccer in Canada!

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49 minutes ago, Fan1986 said:

If you guys can have an open mind about Herdman than listen to his interview with KJ and Steven Caldwell on their podcast. We have never had that kind of honesty from anyone in Canadian soccer before. 

At this level he shouldn’t be making the mistakes he made ! Where are the standards ? 

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16 minutes ago, Binky said:

A hugely missed opportunity to add a second Gold Cup championship to our one and thus far still only international success!!!

Would have been the third international success in a CONCACAF context for what it's worth, because the 1986 World Cup qualifiers doubled as the CONCACAF Championship:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_CONCACAF_Championship

Which should tell us that aiming to win it isn't in the realm of fantasy when two previous generations of players have managed it (albeit minus Mexico in 1985 obviously).

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9 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

Would have been the third international success in a CONCACAF context for what it's worth, because the 1986 World Cup qualifiers doubled as the CONCACAF Championship:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_CONCACAF_Championship

Which should tell us that aiming to win it isn't in the realm of fantasy when two previous generations of players have managed it (albeit minus Mexico in 1985 obviously).

Thank you. I stand corrected. See directors of the CSA. It really is not that hard. When you make a mistake, you admit it as soon as possible and start to fix your mistake. Rather than the denial you are practicing by simply ignoring your mistake and hoping it will go away, which it won't. The CSA's ignorance is what is keeping Canadian soccer in the dark ages.

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3 hours ago, Fan1986 said:

If you guys can have an open mind about Herdman than listen to his interview with KJ and Steven Caldwell on their podcast. We have never had that kind of honesty from anyone in Canadian soccer before. 

I listened. He sounds like he understands the pressure is on. He made mention of ensuring that he will try to push for more friendlies - which is what we wanted to hear. Lets hope that its not just talk. 

End of November we shall see you soon. 

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In other countries, where soccer associations take the success of their national team very seriously, the slightest faux pas on the coach's part is dealt with immediately:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/danny-blind-fired-coach-dutch-soccer-team/

https://www.inc.com/scott-mautz/spains-coach-was-fired-a-day-before-world-cup-its-a-shocking-lesson-in-basic-professionalism.html

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/earthquakes/us-mens-national-team-coach-jurgen-klinsmann-fired

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/soccer/mexico-national-soccer-coach-fired-after-journalists-claim

https://www.rferl.org/a/montenegro-serbian-coach-players-snub-euro2020-match-kosovo/29987817.html

https://www.efe.com/efe/english/destacada/serbian-national-soccer-coach-fired/50000261-3423820

https://www.frontrowsoccer.com/2019/01/19/sacked-australia-womens-coach-fired-due-to-unsatisfactory-team-environment/

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20180410/p2a/00m/0na/012000c

https://www.ctvnews.ca/sports/former-canada-soccer-coach-holger-osieck-fired-as-australian-coach-1.1495225

https://torontosun.com/sports/soccer/italy-coach-fired-days-after-country-fails-to-qualify-for-world-cup

https://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/poland-coach-fired-2-loss-1-win-world-cup/

But oh no, not here in Canada. We sign inexperienced snake oil salesmen to million-dollar long-term contacts, allow them to embarrass our country in international competition, and more than a week later they still have the CSA's blessings! Only in Canada, eh!!!

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But it’s not only the CSA, but’s its us the supporters too. Look at the votes and comments on how they are willing to given him another shot. We just accept losing !! Herdman made some huge mistakes and really it’s because of his  arrogance and lack of experience (  he had no idea what he was doing during that Haiti game,  just watch him he looked like a deer in headlights )  . He talked his BS and   He had the best team Canada has probably ever put together ( talent wise,  should’ve been a coaches dream ) well little Johnny couldn’t deliver. Where are your  standards Canadian Soccer fans?? Again I say this if he was coaching  A huge football nation they would run them out of the Country !!!  I would love to put a big sign facing the CSA  Head office in Ottawa just saying #HerdmanOUT!

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On 7/8/2019 at 11:07 AM, admin said:

Second person to not be able to make a poll.

Something must have tweaked in the last point release.

Every once in a while, the Gods smile.

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I think if the poll was between a) replace Herdman with Guus Hiddink or b) keep Herdman, we would be unanimous with option a). 

We know that's not the reality.  Given the CSA's horrible track record of hiring coaches even when decent funding is available, if we drop Herdman we could easily end up with Jason deVos or Kenneth Heiner Moller as coach. 

We need total change.  The CSA board of directors is not competent to choose a national team coach.  The CMNT needs its own selection panel that is totally independent from the CSA board.  A CMNT general manager role needs to be instituted to let the coach focus on coaching only.  Coaches need to be able to bring their own staff and not be hampered with CSA staff coaches.   

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39 minutes ago, SpecialK said:

But it’s not only the CSA, but’s its us the supporters too. Look at the votes and comments on how they are willing to given him another shot. We just accept losing !! Herdman made some huge mistakes and really it’s because of his  arrogance and lack of experience (  he had no idea what he was doing during that Haiti game,  just watch him he looked like a deer in headlights )  . He talked his BS and   He had the best team Canada has probably ever put together ( talent wise,  should’ve been a coaches dream ) well little Johnny couldn’t deliver. Where are your  standards Canadian Soccer fans?? Again I say this if he was coaching  A huge football nation they would run them out of the Country !!!  I would love to put a big sign facing the CSA  Head office in Ottawa just saying #HerdmanOUT!

Do you really think that the CSA gives a flying intercourse about what the Voyageurs and Canadian soccer fans want? You only need to look at the number of home friendlies the CSA has organized during the last ten years for both the men and women? Would thatr fly in ANY other country? Herdman is only a symptom of the real problem confronting Canadian soccer. It the imbeciles running the CSA that have and continue to put us in the position Canada has, is, and will continue to be in as long as these guys are in charge. They have proven time again that they know Jack Poop about hiring national team coaches. They know Jack Poop about organizing home internationals against meaning full competition. And they know Jack Intercoursing Poop about success and winning!!! Am I wrong???

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