Should Herdman be fired ?

[jonovision]

Yeah, Herdman probably sucks at coin flips.

[Obinna]

3 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

A reminder to the younger generation of why these guys should be listened to:

Isn't De Vos part of Herdman's coaching staff?

[king1010]

25 minutes ago, Obinna said:

Isn't De Vos part of Herdman's coaching staff?

Hes supposed to be the director of player development but apparently moonlights as an assistant coach now. 

[Fan1986]

If you guys can have an open mind about Herdman than listen to his interview with KJ and Steven Caldwell on their podcast. We have never had that kind of honesty from anyone in Canadian soccer before. 

[Gian-Luca]

4 minutes ago, Fan1986 said:

If you guys can have an open mind about Herdman than listen to his interview with KJ and Steven Caldwell on their podcast. We have never had that kind of honesty from anyone in Canadian soccer before. 

It is an excellent interview (other than the audio quality of the call) and crucially for me, as KJ and Caldwell indicate after the interview is done, Herdman admits that he needs to learn from his mistakes as well, which is what I wanted to hear from him after this setback. If he had pointed the finger elsewhere I'd be more inclined to join the chorus pushing for his dismissal. Lots of insight, specifics and detail here, and my only complaint is that this sort of interview with a national team coach ought to be at a much more mainstream level than done via a private podcast from two guys from TSN doing this in their spare time (that's  not a complaint against KJ & Caldwell who have done really well here, but a shot at our media in general).

[Binky]

6 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

A reminder to the younger generation of why these guys should be listened to:

A hugely missed opportunity to add a second Gold Cup championship to our one and thus far still only international success!!! For a country like Canada, such opportunities only happen once every twenty years. If the CSA does not replace Herdman after this, then the entire CSA Board of Directors, all 14 of them, need to be replaced, because obviously the whole CSA administration does not understand or care about such missed opportunities. How can they endorse what just happened at the Gold Cup? This CSA board does not breed success, and that needs to change right now. What kind of fools hire a totally inexperienced coach, who had no noteworthy victories as a coach of the CWNT, and signs him to an incredible long-long-term sweetheart deal, and thereby placing themselves in a position where it is next to impossible to fire Herdman if he proves to be totally inadequate to coach the CMNT?

These are the kind of people that are running soccer in Canada!

Edited July 9, 2019 by Binky

[SpecialK]

49 minutes ago, Fan1986 said:

If you guys can have an open mind about Herdman than listen to his interview with KJ and Steven Caldwell on their podcast. We have never had that kind of honesty from anyone in Canadian soccer before. 

At this level he shouldn’t be making the mistakes he made ! Where are the standards ? 

[Ozzie_the_parrot]

16 minutes ago, Binky said:

A hugely missed opportunity to add a second Gold Cup championship to our one and thus far still only international success!!!

Would have been the third international success in a CONCACAF context for what it's worth, because the 1986 World Cup qualifiers doubled as the CONCACAF Championship:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_CONCACAF_Championship

Which should tell us that aiming to win it isn't in the realm of fantasy when two previous generations of players have managed it (albeit minus Mexico in 1985 obviously).

Edited July 9, 2019 by Ozzie_the_parrot

[Binky]

9 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

Would have been the third international success in a CONCACAF context for what it's worth, because the 1986 World Cup qualifiers doubled as the CONCACAF Championship:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_CONCACAF_Championship

Which should tell us that aiming to win it isn't in the realm of fantasy when two previous generations of players have managed it (albeit minus Mexico in 1985 obviously).

Thank you. I stand corrected. See directors of the CSA. It really is not that hard. When you make a mistake, you admit it as soon as possible and start to fix your mistake. Rather than the denial you are practicing by simply ignoring your mistake and hoping it will go away, which it won't. The CSA's ignorance is what is keeping Canadian soccer in the dark ages.

[Shway]

3 hours ago, Fan1986 said:

If you guys can have an open mind about Herdman than listen to his interview with KJ and Steven Caldwell on their podcast. We have never had that kind of honesty from anyone in Canadian soccer before. 

I listened. He sounds like he understands the pressure is on. He made mention of ensuring that he will try to push for more friendlies - which is what we wanted to hear. Lets hope that its not just talk. 

End of November we shall see you soon. 

[Binky]

In other countries, where soccer associations take the success of their national team very seriously, the slightest faux pas on the coach's part is dealt with immediately:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/danny-blind-fired-coach-dutch-soccer-team/

https://www.inc.com/scott-mautz/spains-coach-was-fired-a-day-before-world-cup-its-a-shocking-lesson-in-basic-professionalism.html

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/earthquakes/us-mens-national-team-coach-jurgen-klinsmann-fired

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/soccer/mexico-national-soccer-coach-fired-after-journalists-claim

https://www.rferl.org/a/montenegro-serbian-coach-players-snub-euro2020-match-kosovo/29987817.html

https://www.efe.com/efe/english/destacada/serbian-national-soccer-coach-fired/50000261-3423820

https://www.frontrowsoccer.com/2019/01/19/sacked-australia-womens-coach-fired-due-to-unsatisfactory-team-environment/

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20180410/p2a/00m/0na/012000c

https://www.ctvnews.ca/sports/former-canada-soccer-coach-holger-osieck-fired-as-australian-coach-1.1495225

https://torontosun.com/sports/soccer/italy-coach-fired-days-after-country-fails-to-qualify-for-world-cup

https://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/poland-coach-fired-2-loss-1-win-world-cup/

But oh no, not here in Canada. We sign inexperienced snake oil salesmen to million-dollar long-term contacts, allow them to embarrass our country in international competition, and more than a week later they still have the CSA's blessings! Only in Canada, eh!!!

Edited July 9, 2019 by Binky

[SpecialK]

But it’s not only the CSA, but’s its us the supporters too. Look at the votes and comments on how they are willing to given him another shot. We just accept losing !! Herdman made some huge mistakes and really it’s because of his  arrogance and lack of experience (  he had no idea what he was doing during that Haiti game,  just watch him he looked like a deer in headlights )  . He talked his BS and   He had the best team Canada has probably ever put together ( talent wise,  should’ve been a coaches dream ) well little Johnny couldn’t deliver. Where are your  standards Canadian Soccer fans?? Again I say this if he was coaching  A huge football nation they would run them out of the Country !!!  I would love to put a big sign facing the CSA  Head office in Ottawa just saying #HerdmanOUT!

[BrennanFan]

I think if the poll was between a) replace Herdman with Guus Hiddink or b) keep Herdman, we would be unanimous with option a). 

We know that's not the reality.  Given the CSA's horrible track record of hiring coaches even when decent funding is available, if we drop Herdman we could easily end up with Jason deVos or Kenneth Heiner Moller as coach. 

We need total change.  The CSA board of directors is not competent to choose a national team coach.  The CMNT needs its own selection panel that is totally independent from the CSA board.  A CMNT general manager role needs to be instituted to let the coach focus on coaching only.  Coaches need to be able to bring their own staff and not be hampered with CSA staff coaches.   

[SpecialK]

Just to point out, Oz mostly  brought his own  assistant coaches 

[Binky]

39 minutes ago, SpecialK said:

But it’s not only the CSA, but’s its us the supporters too. Look at the votes and comments on how they are willing to given him another shot. We just accept losing !! Herdman made some huge mistakes and really it’s because of his  arrogance and lack of experience (  he had no idea what he was doing during that Haiti game,  just watch him he looked like a deer in headlights )  . He talked his BS and   He had the best team Canada has probably ever put together ( talent wise,  should’ve been a coaches dream ) well little Johnny couldn’t deliver. Where are your  standards Canadian Soccer fans?? Again I say this if he was coaching  A huge football nation they would run them out of the Country !!!  I would love to put a big sign facing the CSA  Head office in Ottawa just saying #HerdmanOUT!

Do you really think that the CSA gives a flying intercourse about what the Voyageurs and Canadian soccer fans want? You only need to look at the number of home friendlies the CSA has organized during the last ten years for both the men and women? Would thatr fly in ANY other country? Herdman is only a symptom of the real problem confronting Canadian soccer. It the imbeciles running the CSA that have and continue to put us in the position Canada has, is, and will continue to be in as long as these guys are in charge. They have proven time again that they know Jack Poop about hiring national team coaches. They know Jack Poop about organizing home internationals against meaning full competition. And they know Jack Intercoursing Poop about success and winning!!! Am I wrong???

Edited July 9, 2019 by Binky

[JamboAl]

2 hours ago, SpecialK said:

But it’s not only the CSA, but’s its us the supporters too. Look at the votes and comments on how they are willing to given him another shot. We just accept losing !! Herdman made some huge mistakes and really it’s because of his  arrogance and lack of experience (  he had no idea what he was doing during that Haiti game,  just watch him he looked like a deer in headlights )  . He talked his BS and   He had the best team Canada has probably ever put together ( talent wise,  should’ve been a coaches dream ) well little Johnny couldn’t deliver. Where are your  standards Canadian Soccer fans?? Again I say this if he was coaching  A huge football nation they would run them out of the Country !!!  I would love to put a big sign facing the CSA  Head office in Ottawa just saying #HerdmanOUT!

It is funny how 25% of the people voting yes make 90% of the noise on this topic.   

As part of the silent 75%, I'll support Herdman on this until he's proven to me that he isn't up for the job.  This team will get better with time and experience.  So yes, keep Herdman (for now).    

[BuzzAndSting]

2 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

It is funny how 25% of the people voting yes make 90% of the noise on this topic.   

As part of the silent 75%, I'll support Herdman on this until he's proven to me that he isn't up for the job.  This team will get better with time and experience.  So yes, keep Herdman (for now).    

NO TIME FOR RATIONAL THINKING! FIRE HURDMAN!

[JamboAl]

12 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said:

NO TIME FOR RATIONAL THINKING! FIRE HURDMAN!

Get the goddamn last name right at least!

[BuzzAndSting]

7 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

Get the goddamn last name right at least!

I feel like Huuuuuuuuuuurdman is more appropriate when displaying rage.

[SpecialK]

29 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

It is funny how 25% of the people voting yes make 90% of the noise on this topic.   

As part of the silent 75%, I'll support Herdman on this until he's proven to me that he isn't up for the job.  This team will get better with time and experience.  So yes, keep Herdman (for now).    

So losing, being a  arrogant idiot and making the program look like a laughing stock is not proof enough ? 

So what would it take for you ? Nations league lost, losing to the American’s,   not qualifying for the World Cup (  wasting away great talent like Arfield and others who are 28+)  ? Why does he have such a long  leash with you guys ? His record and action speaks for itself. 

Why is losing acceptable ? 

Edited July 10, 2019 by SpecialK

[BuzzAndSting]

2 minutes ago, SpecialK said:

So losing, being a  arrogant idiot and making the program look like a laughing stock is not proof enough ? 

A laughing stock? To who? A few dozens soccer nerds online?

[SpecialK]

1 minute ago, BuzzAndSting said:

A laughing stock? To who? A few dozens soccer nerds online?

No international media. You should watch what they said after the lose to Haiti.

[BuzzAndSting]

Just now, SpecialK said:

No international media. You should watch what they said after the lose to Haiti.

Please enlighten me with a few links.

[Floortom]

4 minutes ago, SpecialK said:

No international media. You should watch what they said after the lose to Haiti.

International media cared about one minnow losing to another minnow ?!

[JamboAl]

10 minutes ago, SpecialK said:

So losing, being a  arrogant idiot and making the program look like a laughing stock is not proof enough ? 

So what would it take for you ? Nations league lost, losing to the American’s,   not qualifying for the World Cup (  wasting away great talent like Arfield and others who are 28+)  ? Why does he have such a long  leash with you guys ? His record and action speaks for itself. 

Why is losing acceptable ? 

Because I've been following this program since 1984 and I think this is the most positive I've been about the talent here.  The manager did not cause the 2-1 goal and he didn't cause the penalty to be given away.  So let's fire Borjan and Godinho while we are at it.