Strait Red Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 For those of you not old enough to watch it live in 1986, I noticed today that TSN will be showing Canada’s 3 games from World Cup 1986. TSN 5 June 8 11 am Eastern - vs. France 1 pm Eastern - vs. Hungary 3 pm Eastern - vs. USSR Alex, Raven, johnyb and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtlMario Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, Strait Red said: For those of you not old enough to watch it live in 1986, I noticed today that TSN will be showing Canada’s 3 games from World Cup 1986. TSN 5 June 8 11 am Eastern - vs. France 1 pm Eastern - vs. Hungary 3 pm Eastern - vs. USSR I'm definitely old enough to have watched and still have them recorded on VHS lol but thanks for info. Will watch and record again. johnyb and Strait Red 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strait Red Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 19 minutes ago, MtlMario said: I'm definitely old enough to have watched and still have them recorded on VHS lol but thanks for info. Will watch and record again. I didn’t record back then, I was saving my blank VHS tape for the final that we didn’t make 😆 lamptern, longlugan, CANMNT_SUPERFAN and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1ckbr0wn Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, TGAA_Star said: Yeah all right you guys manage to beat USA in Toronto when one of their best defenders Sergino Dest wasn't even playing in that game but also the fact that yes the USA were off their game that particular game. But what happened in the return game? Oh yeah that's right Canada lost didn't they? So who is to say they beat USA again? Hey pal, why don’t you click the old sign out button, then header’ on over to that “Big Soccer” forum you love so much? Edited May 29, 2020 by N1ckbr0wn BuzzAndSting and CanadianSoccerFan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Obinna said: This is basically the old semi-final round, except the stakes are different... You still need to finish top-2, except now top spot gets you directly into the WC and 2nd might get you a chance at the half spot. It's not ideal, but considering the team we have, i'll take it. If this becomes a thing, I would like for them to come up with a play-off for the 2nd place teams, if time permits of course. Even just a single-elimination between 2A and 2B, with 2C getting eliminated. Someone is going to win the Antigua punching bag sweepstakes in the draw. They'll get a serious chance to pad the goal difference. I'd say it's more fair to at least give that team a single-elimination home match. At least make them earn the half-spot that way, you know? Either way it is much better than previous CONCACAF qualifying baulderdash77 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baulderdash77 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 I like and think it’s the most fair if we do go with a 3 groups of 4. Group winners qualify directly 2nd place teams vs winner of the 13 and lower tournament for the 1/2 spot. Thats clearly a very fair way of going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baulderdash77 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 I think the groupings are more likely to be: Group A 1 Mexico 12 Antigua 6 El Salvador 7 Canada Group B 2 USA 11 Trinidad 5 Honduras 8 Curaçao Group C 3 Costa Rica 10 Haiti 4 Jamaica 9 Panama That’s how a traditional seeded tournament would be set up and I believe that’s what we will get. On the one hand we end up with Mexico but on the other hand I really like our changes at #2 in this group and even being the top #2 team from the groups. We could conceivably go 4-0-2 or even 4-1-1 if we can sneak a tie against Mexico. MtlMario 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longlugan Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 1 hour ago, TGAA_Star said: Either way it is much better than previous CONCACAF qualifying I thought you left for greener pastures? Please don't disappoint the rest of us. MtlMario, CanadianSoccerFan and BuzzAndSting 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 (edited) 48 minutes ago, baulderdash77 said: I think the groupings are more likely to be: Group A 1 Mexico 12 Antigua 6 El Salvador 7 Canada Group B 2 USA 11 Trinidad 5 Honduras 8 Curaçao Group C 3 Costa Rica 10 Haiti 4 Jamaica 9 Panama That’s how a traditional seeded tournament would be set up and I believe that’s what we will get. On the one hand we end up with Mexico but on the other hand I really like our changes at #2 in this group and even being the top #2 team from the groups. We could conceivably go 4-0-2 or even 4-1-1 if we can sneak a tie against Mexico. Maybe we should be careful what we wish for when it comes to the 2nd place teams then... I am confident we can take maximum points from El Salvador and Antigua, but away to El Salvador still concerns me a little. Still though, I would take that over Honduras, Panama, Jamaica, hell even Haiti. Group C is the group of death. CR would slight favorites, but any team could top that group. And Group B wouldn't be so easy for the USA. Honduras is tough away, Curacao can upset, and T&T....well, we know what happened there last time. I think I said this before, but I will say it again: If the USA slip up (again) to T&T, and miss out on the WC (again), I think the internet will break from whiny yank-fans having a meltdown. It would be beautiful. Oh, and in this scenario it is baby brother Canada who get through as the best 2nd place team Then we go to Herdman's old stomping grounds and beat NZ in the intercontinental to make the WC lol Edited May 29, 2020 by Obinna baulderdash77, Longrange, nolando and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer21 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 6 hours ago, TGAA_Star said: Either way it is much better than previous CONCACAF qualifying How so? Now the winner of the 13 and lower tournament will be a terrible side that gets a punchers chance at getting the .5 spot. Also it makes it less about earning your spot and more about getting favourable draws. At least with the previous format, the top teams all play each other and can have no excuses if they don’t finish in the top couple spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 I prefer this format over being the 7th place team in the previous format. Its still not perfect, but that's CONCACAF ted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtpc Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) You're right, Obinna, maybe we should be careful what we wish for regarding the best 2nd seed. If our group was Mexico, El Salvador, plus Antigua and Barbuda, I think we'd all be hoping they only took the best 2nd place team. If this is the format that gets used, Guatemala finds themselves in quite a favourable position. No one could have guessed 4 years ago that things might end up this way now, but they get suspended for a few years, no 2017 Gold Cup, no 2019 Gold Cup, no Nations League Qualifying, and look at what might fall into their lap, the potential lower tier top seed (in terms of FIFA ranking anyway) with a pretty good chance to play the top 2nd place team from the group stage of the top 12. Who knew in 2016 that getting suspended for a few years could put you in such an enviable position? 😂 Edited May 30, 2020 by jtpc Obinna and xabuep2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 The groups that people have drawn up are fine examples, but I am certain their will be a draw (from pools) if this is the format. There always has been, they won’t do straight up seeding. This isn’t the Money Cup, I mean Gold Cup. johnyb, CanadianSoccerFan, Alex and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 A note. The 3 groups of 4 with home and away system takes 6 match days. For the bottom 23 teams to determine a top team I believe would need 5 match days if they did a single knockout tournament. So it seems possible that there will be teams that don’t get any home games or possibly it will even be a neutral site tournament. This of course is all based on an assumption that both sides of qualifying will start and end at about the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strait Red Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Oh great TGAA’s burner account is on the scene. Or is it neuker’s burner account? CanadianSoccerFan, Red and White and MtlMario 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Just now, Strait Red said: Oh great TGAA’s burner account is on the scene. Or is it neuker’s burner account? The latter. Strait Red and dyslexic nam 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, Strait Red said: Oh great TGAA’s burner account is on the scene. Or is it neuker’s burner account? This is a tough one..lets do it Sherlock Holmes style, I am leaning towards neuker/binky/robert Weird chart copied from wikipedia............................. check comments about how great the dutch are................... pass only comments on threads he starts himself...............check run on sentences that repeat themselves over and over....pass Strait Red, dyslexic nam and Red and White 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Peggy said: May I suggest the following World Cup qualifying format for CONCACAF , which will give each of CONCACAF's branches; North America, Central America and the Caribbean, representation at the Qatar 2022. Instead of 6 countries competing in the HEX, CONCACAF would use the FIFA Coca-Cola rankings to form 3 groups comprised of 3 countries each. NORTH AMERICAN GROUP CENTRAL AMERICAN GROUP CARIBBEAN GROUP MEXICO COSTA RICA JAMAICA UNITED STATES HONDURAS CURACAO CANADA EL SALVADOR HAITI The 3 group winners qualify directly for Qatar 2022, while the 3 runners-up will be joined by the winner of the 10 to 35-country qualifying section, to compete for the Inter-Continental berth. This format will reduce the number of match-day windows required, and cut down on traveling expenses No you may not Robert Edited May 30, 2020 by Alex ted, nolando, Obinna and 5 others 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigi riva Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 On 5/28/2020 at 5:55 PM, Strait Red said: Recently the U.S. has been atrocious on the road, but I don’t think we’d be drawn with them. Last year the Americans only played one game outside of the US and that was against Canada, nolando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigi riva Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Its put up or shut up no matter who we face its that simple Strait Red, Obinna and CANMNT_SUPERFAN 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 hour ago, gigi riva said: Last year the Americans only played one game outside of the US and that was against Canada, Cuba was in the Cayman Islands too. Sure, not a true away match, but still. How many away matches have we played last year? 1 and it was against the US. We haven't played an away friendly in 3 years. (Scotland in March of 2017 was the last one those who are asking) US meanwhile has played 4 and not some unknown teams (France, England, Portugal and Republic of Ireland) Sure, the US was able to play those because they didn't have CNL to worry about. Having a WCQ that is on a neutral site might be the most interesting here. I always think that we're better in Gold Cup than in WCQ for many reasons, but comfort is one of those reasons why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 16 hours ago, narduch said: I prefer this format over being the 7th place team in the previous format. Its still not perfect, but that's CONCACAF At the end of the day, this is what matters. We get meaningful matches against at least one strong side, a crack at 1st place in one or two groups (assuming Mexico is the only absolute lock) and a decent chance to take a run at being the top second-places team regardless of where we land. That is better than the CONCACAF minnow tour with a few banana peels. TGAA_Star, johnyb, Watchmen and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 21 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said: At the end of the day, this is what matters. We get meaningful matches against at least one strong side, a crack at 1st place in one or two groups (assuming Mexico is the only absolute lock) and a decent chance to take a run at being the top second-places team regardless of where we land. That is better than the CONCACAF minnow tour with a few banana peels. Exactly. You're going to get 4 games against sides that people have been bragging that we shouldn't be afraid of anymore, plus 2 games against a side we want to be regularly challenging (Mexico/US/Costa Rica). To me, it's the perfect scenario both to test the players and Herdman as a manager. Anything below 2nd is unacceptable. baulderdash77, TGAA_Star and CANMNT_SUPERFAN 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer21 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 17 hours ago, narduch said: I prefer this format over being the 7th place team in the previous format. Its still not perfect, but that's CONCACAF For Canada, maybe you are right. I still think overall it is a worse format though. Too much is based on what group you’re drawn into. An Observer, CanadianSoccerFan and CANMNT_SUPERFAN 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Let’s look at the teams ranked 13-35. My opinion is that Guatemala, St kitts and Bermuda are probably the tier 1 teams and most likely to advance while Suriname, Nicaragua, Cuba, Montserrat are the next best group of teams that can go through. I do hope we see some kind of group stage or knockout round between the 2nd place teams and the lower tier winner rather than just having the best 2nd place team going through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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