Strait Red Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 Recently the U.S. has been atrocious on the road, but I don’t think we’d be drawn with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSoccerFan Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 (edited) Ugh! In this format you're better off being in the minnow path. Win the minnow path and beat the best 2nd place team and then beat New Zealand. Far too much depends on the draw. If you get Mexico you have no chance of winning the group. The race for 2nd is dependent on how weak your other opponents are. Based on the current rankings, Antigua would be the last team in and whoever draws them will get the chance to light them up on goal difference. Also note that Jamaica is just a point behind Costa Rica to be a top seed. Worst Case: Mexico, Honduras, Canada, Haiti Best Case: Costa Rica, El Salvador, Canada, Antigua The other part that doesn't make sense is the match days. The minnow path would need 10 match days (5 KO rounds) to get from 23 teams to 1 challenger. So even if the 3 groups of 4 is done in 6 matches they'll need to wait for the minnows to finish so it's still 12 match days required. The only way around it is playing the minnows in 1-leg KO ties. Edited May 29, 2020 by CanadianSoccerFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, CanadianSoccerFan said: Ugh! In this format you're better off being in the minnow path. Win the minnow path and beat the best 2nd place team and then beat New Zealand. Far too much depends on the draw. If you get Mexico you have no chance of winning the group. The race for 2nd is dependent on how weak your other opponents are. Based on the current rankings, Antigua would be the last team in and whoever draws them will get the chance to light them up on goal difference. Agreed. Really don’t like this format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer21 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, An Observer said: Agreed. Really don’t like this format. Yeah it’s crazy to come down to goal difference or even points earned in their respective groups when the difficulty of each group could vary so much. On the other hand, even if we lose to Mexico both games, as long as we went 4-0 in the other matches we’d still almost for sure get through. Much easier said than done though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 I like this format. At least it is much better than a damn Hex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xabuep2 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 Several sources in Latin America already talk about this format https://www.90min.com/es/posts/asi-sera-el-nuevo-formato-de-clasificacion-al-mundial-de-qatar-2022-para-la-concacaf-01e8a87j48hy Guatemala does not have it so difficult: I think they will win easily the low tier and with some luck win the playoffs......lucky number 13 CanadianSoccerFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtpc Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 (edited) Completely agree that depending on the draw, there could be a huge variance in the groups, greatly impacting a country's chance to earn an automatic spot or be the best 2nd place team. I really like CanadianSoccerFan's best case scenario group, so let's just go with that for CanMNT. 😀 Best case scenario if you had to be drawn in a group with Mexico would probably be to have El Salvador and A&B with you. That way, you'd have a better chance I think to be the best 2nd place team, as it seems more likely the other groups would have multiple teams taking points off each other. Edited May 29, 2020 by jtpc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 3 hours ago, TGAA_Star said: Canada would get destroyed by Mexico hell even if they face USA they will lose anyway so You’ve proven once again that you have no idea what you’re talking about... h coach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 Wait...someone on this board doesn't like some version of a qualifying format? 😳 baulderdash77, ted, BuzzAndSting and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiedPilko Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 (edited) If it's gonna be 3 groups of four, then it would probably have to be 1, 12, 4, 9 and so on, right? Unless they draw out of a hat, which would be pretty bad... So if they do it this way, the pools would be: 1. Mexico 2. Antigua 3. Jamaica 4. Panama 1. USA 2. Trinidad 3. Honduras 4. Curacao 1. Costa Rica 2. Haiti 3. El Salvador 4. Canada Just speculation, don't yell at me. Edited May 29, 2020 by PiedPilko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, PiedPilko said: If it's gonna be 3 groups of four, then it would probably have to be 1, 12, 4, 9 and so on, right? Unless they draw out of a hat, which would be pretty bad... So if they do it this way, the pools would be: 1. Mexico 2. Antigua 3. Jamaica 4. Panama 1. USA 2. Trinidad 3. Honduras 4. Curacao 1. Costa Rica 2. Haiti 3. El Salvador 4. Canada Just speculation, don't yell at me. Most likely each group is drawn from 4 pots. 1 each from 1-3, 4-6, 7-9 and 10-12. Kent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazlo_80 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 its always been about being the 3rd or 4th best team in concacaf. i would argue this is a way easier way of doing it then their path pre-covid. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkuseisLoose Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 Time to throw games vs Bhutan. Get a group of people on this board to go around the world "representing" Canada so we drop to 150th in the world and play in the lower path. CanadianSoccerFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 4 hours ago, BuzzAndSting said: You’ve proven once again that you have no idea what you’re talking about... Yeah all right you guys manage to beat USA in Toronto when one of their best defenders Sergino Dest wasn't even playing in that game but also the fact that yes the USA were off their game that particular game. But what happened in the return game? Oh yeah that's right Canada lost didn't they? So who is to say they beat USA again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 3 hours ago, PiedPilko said: If it's gonna be 3 groups of four, then it would probably have to be 1, 12, 4, 9 and so on, right? Unless they draw out of a hat, which would be pretty bad... So if they do it this way, the pools would be: 1. Mexico 2. Antigua 3. Jamaica 4. Panama 1. USA 2. Trinidad 3. Honduras 4. Curacao 1. Costa Rica 2. Haiti 3. El Salvador 4. Canada Just speculation, don't yell at me. I doubt they do it this way but if they do, at least it is the best Canada can hope for because there's no way they finish 1st in that group. Canada would finish 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 1 hour ago, TGAA_Star said: Yeah all right you guys manage to beat USA in Toronto when one of their best defenders Sergino Dest wasn't even playing in that game but also the fact that yes the USA were off their game that particular game. But what happened in the return game? Oh yeah that's right Canada lost didn't they? So who is to say they beat USA again? Did you watch the game? Dest would have had little impact considering he’s not a mid fielder. The problem the Americans had at BMO was in midfield. We destroyed the USA in the middle of the park and Dest is a fullback. I believe neuker recently said the same thing about Dest before he got banned. BuzzAndSting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryker911 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 6 hours ago, PiedPilko said: If it's gonna be 3 groups of four, then it would probably have to be 1, 12, 4, 9 and so on, right? Unless they draw out of a hat, which would be pretty bad... So if they do it this way, the pools would be: 1. Mexico 2. Antigua 3. Jamaica 4. Panama 1. USA 2. Trinidad 3. Honduras 4. Curacao 1. Costa Rica 2. Haiti 3. El Salvador 4. Canada Just speculation, don't yell at me. This would be a great group for Canada. The worst team from pot 1, the worst team from pot 2, and the best team from pot 4. Ill take that anyday. Club Linesman, dyslexic nam, Ivan and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullback Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 4 hours ago, TGAA_Star said: Yeah all right you guys manage to beat USA in Toronto when one of their best defenders Sergino Dest wasn't even playing in that game but also the fact that yes the USA were off their game that particular game. But what happened in the return game? Oh yeah that's right Canada lost didn't they? So who is to say they beat USA again? You guys? Why are you here? Alex, N1ckbr0wn, MtlMario and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, TGAA_Star said: Yeah all right you guys manage to beat USA in Toronto when one of their best defenders Sergino Dest wasn't even playing in that game but also the fact that yes the USA were off their game that particular game. But what happened in the return game? Oh yeah that's right Canada lost didn't they? So who is to say they beat USA again? Right... So we’re 1 and 1. Who is to say we won’t beat them again? Edited May 29, 2020 by BuzzAndSting Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 5 hours ago, TGAA_Star said: I doubt they do it this way but if they do, at least it is the best Canada can hope for because there's no way they finish 1st in that group. Canada would finish 2nd. I’m certain they’ll do it this way and when they do, it’s no concern for us at all because we’ll for sure finish 1st in that group. The worst we’d do is finish 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle_The_Hill Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 I don't see how only the best second place team going through makes sense. The reason they're saying that is to reduce down to six matches but UEFA and CAF aren't finishing their entire qualification in six matches. It does feel like groups are coming though, but you would need all three second place teams to go through and join the winner of the "best of the rest". Then, either have another group stage if you have time or knockout if you don't. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 (edited) This is basically the old semi-final round, except the stakes are different... You still need to finish top-2, except now top spot gets you directly into the WC and 2nd might get you a chance at the half spot. It's not ideal, but considering the team we have, i'll take it. If this becomes a thing, I would like for them to come up with a play-off for the 2nd place teams, if time permits of course. Even just a single-elimination between 2A and 2B, with 2C getting eliminated. Someone is going to win the Antigua punching bag sweepstakes in the draw. They'll get a serious chance to pad the goal difference. I'd say it's more fair to make that team play a single-elimination home match. At least make them earn the half-spot that way, you know? Edited May 29, 2020 by Obinna Alex, Red and White, dyslexic nam and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer21 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, Kyle_The_Hill said: I don't see how only the best second place team going through makes sense. The reason they're saying that is to reduce down to six matches but UEFA and CAF aren't finishing their entire qualification in six matches. It does feel like groups are coming though, but you would need all three second place teams to go through and join the winner of the "best of the rest". Then, either have another group stage if you have time or knockout if you don't. Yeah this makes a lot more sense than just taking the top 2nd place team. 2A vs repechage winner and 2B vs 2C. Winners play each other for the right to play in intercontinental playoff. Based on what decisions concacaf has made for qualifying so far though, I could see them being dumb and just taking the top 2nd place team. Hopefully we get some rigging of the draw with the Canadian president of concacaf and get a good group lol BuzzAndSting, Strait Red, CANMNT_SUPERFAN and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, archer21 said: Yeah this makes a lot more sense than just taking the top 2nd place team. 2A vs repechage winner and 2B vs 2C. Winners play each other for the right to play in intercontinental playoff. Based on what decisions concacaf has made for qualifying so far though, I could see them being dumb and just taking the top 2nd place team. Hopefully we get some rigging of the draw with the Canadian president of concacaf and get a good group lol I really like this actually. Makes a lot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strait Red Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 Bad news is we are in the Concacaf region and there is a strong chance that common sense won’t be used in determining who gets a shot at the half spot. Obinna, johnyb, BuzzAndSting and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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