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14 hours ago, saintjoes said:

Unfortunately El Salvador's national team Twitter is calling the game a "training match" (entrenamiento) and not the typical "friendly" (amistoso) :

https://mobile.twitter.com/LaSelecta_SLV/status/1217255967408173061

So, if it doesn't count for ranking points, does that mean we want El Salvador to win so that...

1. They regret the decision and feel bad.
2. They are emboldened to make sure their next friendlies are official, and then subsequently lose those games.

Or am I able to just not care about the result of the El Salvador vs Iceland game? I'm so confused.

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14 hours ago, saintjoes said:

Unfortunately El Salvador's national team Twitter is calling the game a "training match" (entrenamiento) and not the typical "friendly" (amistoso) :

https://mobile.twitter.com/LaSelecta_SLV/status/1217255967408173061

Just calling it a "training match" doesn't mean anything though.

That's why we've been trying to figure out what are the actual stipulations of a "training match". Also if possible, finding a news source citing a confirmation from FIFA that the game will be excluded.

Where is that guy that knew about the Barbados friendlies a couple days before they were announced? Can he ask his source at Canada Soccer?

Edited by Kyle_The_Hill

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On 1/13/2020 at 6:26 AM, Kyle_The_Hill said:

I guess we'll have to see but it seems unlikely these nations will agree to "training matches". Iceland kind of got duped because it was initially supposed to be a official friendly but then changed to "training" at the last minute.

If the only difference is the number of subs allowed and FIFA ranking points available, I doubt they would care much if it was official or not.  It's only in the bizarro CONCACAF world where ranking points are so important.

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So, after another disappointing evening as a CMNT fan, where are we at now in relation to ES?   Does this entirely, fully end our hopes of overtaking them, or is there any sort of Hail Mary that is still viable?  
 

Asking for a friend.  

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2 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said:

So, after another disappointing evening as a CMNT fan, where are we at now in relation to ES?   Does this entirely, fully end our hopes of overtaking them, or is there any sort of Hail Mary that is still viable?  
 

Asking for a friend.  

There was a 2% chance before the match of catching El Salvador now there’s a 1% chance.

in before “wElL AkShuaLLy iF wE BeAT FraNCe 4 TiMEs AnD ElSlvdR LosEs tWiCe to SuRinAme we’re In”!!

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30 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said:

So, after another disappointing evening as a CMNT fan, where are we at now in relation to ES?   Does this entirely, fully end our hopes of overtaking them, or is there any sort of Hail Mary that is still viable?  
 

Asking for a friend.  

Ignore the person above making up statistics because they don't understand how math works.

We're 14 points back with 2 official windows (March and June), plus an out of window (May), plus another potential out of window (July).

If El Salvador does nothing in March, Herdman said Canada are looking to gain 10 points in March. A couple examples would be 2 wins over (Jamaica, Trinidad) or (Panama, Curacao). If we win those games we can beat some minnows in May and ride into June almost level with El Salvador.

However, El Salvador have said they're looking to play some mid level European nations in March and if those matches are for FIFA points, we can pass them in the March window quite comfortably.

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21 hours ago, Kyle_The_Hill said:

Ignore the person above making up statistics because they don't understand how math works.

We're 14 points back with 2 official windows (March and June), plus an out of window (May), plus another potential out of window (July).

If El Salvador does nothing in March, Herdman said Canada are looking to gain 10 points in March. A couple examples would be 2 wins over (Jamaica, Trinidad) or (Panama, Curacao). If we win those games we can beat some minnows in May and ride into June almost level with El Salvador.

However, El Salvador have said they're looking to play some mid level European nations in March and if those matches are for FIFA points, we can pass them in the March window quite comfortably.

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So basically beat 4 teams around our ranking for 20 points between March and June. That’s give us a 6 point lead and make ES have to at least play a couple games, which they’d probably be favoured in but hopefully they’d drop one of them or at least draw. Of course, there’s also the non FIFA windows too where we could hopefully play 3 games again to add points. Margin for error is basically 0 now though.

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CMNT Depth for WCQ 2022: (Top 3 in each position, 4 for CB, 6 for CM) 

GK: Borjan, Crepeau, Pantemis

RB: Laryea, ZBG, Godinho

CB: Cornelius, Miller, James,  Didic

LB: Cordova, Adekugbe, Bassong, 

 

CM: Arfield, Kaye, Eustaquio, Piette, Fraser, Chapman

RM/RW: Hoilett, Brym, Millar

LM/LW: Davies, Osorio, Akindele

 

ST: David, Cavallini, Larin, Bair

 

Do you guys feel this is more or less our frontrunners for spots on the CMNT? 

Edited by TFC2017

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11 minutes ago, TFC2017 said:

CMNT Depth for WCQ 2022: (Top 3 in each position, 4 for CB, 6 for CM) 

GK: Borjan, Crepeau, Pantemis

RB: Laryea, ZBG, Godinho

CB: Cornelius, Miller, James,  Didic

LB: Cordova, Adekugbe, Bassong, 

 

CM: Arfield, Kaye, Eustaquio, Piette, Fraser, Chapman

RM/RW: Hoilett, Brym, Millar

LM/LW: Davies, Osorio, Akindele

 

ST: David, Cavallini, Larin, Bair

 

Do you guys feel this is more or less our frontrunners for spots on the CMNT? 

It does not seem like Cordova is anywhere near the starter at left back. How many times has he been at a national team camp? 2?

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20 minutes ago, TFC2017 said:

CMNT Depth for WCQ 2022: (Top 3 in each position, 4 for CB, 6 for CM) 

GK: Borjan, Crepeau, Pantemis

RB: Laryea, ZBG, Godinho

CB: Cornelius, Miller, James,  Didic

LB: Cordova, Adekugbe, Bassong, 

 

CM: Arfield, Kaye, Eustaquio, Piette, Fraser, Chapman

RM/RW: Hoilett, Brym, Millar

LM/LW: Davies, Osorio, Akindele

 

ST: David, Cavallini, Larin, Bair

 

Do you guys feel this is more or less our frontrunners for spots on the CMNT? 

Love him or hate him, I expect Doneil Henry to be fully be there and I also expect Steven Vitoria to be included at least for the time being.  Probably see Kamal Miller move more to a LB role as he did vs the US in the fall.  Other than that, looks fairly accurate to me.

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5 minutes ago, Ruffian said:

It does not seem like Cordova is anywhere near the starter at left back. How many times has he been at a national team camp? 2?

That is true, I feel he's playing at the highest level for any of our natural left backs though (Even though he's mainly used as a right back, he's often used as a left back for his club team as well). 

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Thinking of the lower-seeded 7-35 side for a moment, it's too bad the intercontinental playoff matchups are still TBD. What a difference between the prospect of facing the 5th place South American country or New Zealand as your final hurdle to get to the World Cup. If it's the former, I would want to be in the Hex no matter what. If it's the latter, the 7-35 side looks fantastic.

Saint Kitts and Nevis + Suriname might be scheduling a few friendlies between now and July as one of them will end up in pot 1. They're currently separated by only 1 ranking point for that final seeded spot. If you wanted to be guaranteed in the first round not to play any of the 7 countries ranked ahead of you, it's worth fighting for. Apart from that and whether we catch El Salvador or not, the pots on the 7-35 side look pretty much set. If you're a lower-ranked country, there really isn't any incentive to try to get into pot 2 instead of 3, so I don't see a lot changing there.

Assuming things stayed the same as they are today, once you gave us, Curacao, Panama, Haiti, Trinidad and Tobago, Antigua and Barbuda, Guatemala, and Saint Kitts and Nevis their own group, the FIFA ranking of the next 8 countries range from 141 to 168. Quite a drop. Not only would that be your closest competition ranking-wise in that initial group stage, but 5 of the 8 groups would also have 2 countries ranked even lower than that.

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On 1/17/2020 at 9:33 AM, TFC2017 said:

That is true, I feel he's playing at the highest level for any of our natural left backs though (Even though he's mainly used as a right back, he's often used as a left back for his club team as well). 

His name will be in the discussion no doubt. He has missed lots of camps to silly reasons out of his control rather than not getting calls. That said when he was called he wasnt really used.

I'd add Gutierrez to the LB list if he features for the caps. He will get minutes one way or another. 

Big year for a few Camadian players in the MLS to stake claims. Especially the younger players. Lots out there now that could come into national team thinking if they get opportunities and seize them.

 

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3 hours ago, toontownman said:

His name will be in the discussion no doubt. He has missed lots of camps to silly reasons out of his control rather than not getting calls. That said when he was called he wasnt really used.

I'd add Gutierrez to the LB list if he features for the caps. He will get minutes one way or another. 

Big year for a few Camadian players in the MLS to stake claims. Especially the younger players. Lots out there now that could come into national team thinking if they get opportunities and seize them.

 

It would be nice to see a couple defenders have break outs years like Miller, Lareya and lesser extent Didic, Zator, Waterman did. Alistar Johnson, Montgomery, Comsia, Yao, Laurent, Kennedy etc, step up and make Herdman call you.  

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On 1/16/2020 at 9:06 AM, Kyle_The_Hill said:

We're 14 points back with 2 official windows (March and June), plus an out of window (May), plus another potential out of window (July).

If El Salvador does nothing in March, Herdman said Canada are looking to gain 10 points in March. A couple examples would be 2 wins over (Jamaica, Trinidad) or (Panama, Curacao). If we win those games we can beat some minnows in May and ride into June almost level with El Salvador.

If we call all those matches roughly even:

Typical odds for a draw are 28%, so we have a 36% chance of a win in each match. That is a 13% chance of winning both.

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Playing asia wouldn’t be that bad either. If you believe in stats though, we CONCACAF hasn’t faces South America since 2010. So that match would be coming up soon

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17 hours ago, toontownman said:

His name will be in the discussion no doubt. He has missed lots of camps to silly reasons out of his control rather than not getting calls. That said when he was called he wasnt really used.

I'd add Gutierrez to the LB list if he features for the caps. He will get minutes one way or another. 

Big year for a few Camadian players in the MLS to stake claims. Especially the younger players. Lots out there now that could come into national team thinking if they get opportunities and seize them.

 

I hate to say this, but maybe Davies at LB isn't such a bad thing given his role with BM as of late ...  ::ducks::

 

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47 minutes ago, Addona said:

I hate to say this, but maybe Davies at LB isn't such a bad thing given his role with BM as of late ...  ::ducks::

 

If people are completely honest with themselves- the gain in LB quality by having Davies move there is much greater than the loss of LW quality by having Hoilett start there instead of Davies.

With Davies at LB we are probably the 3rd or 4th strongest team in CONCACAF (I think).  With him at LW, Adekugbe at LB and Hoilett on the bench we are probably 4th or 5th best team in CONCACAF.

In terms of maximizing the team he should be our LB I think.  
 

edit- What I’m getting at is were much stronger having Hoilett on the pitch than we are with having Adekugbe starting.  

Edited by baulderdash77

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1 hour ago, baulderdash77 said:

If people are completely honest with themselves- the gain in LB quality by having Davies move there is much greater than the loss of LW quality by having Hoilett start there instead of Davies.

With Davies at LB we are probably the 3rd or 4th strongest team in CONCACAF (I think).  With him at LW, Adekugbe at LB and Hoilett on the bench we are probably 4th or 5th best team in CONCACAF.

In terms of maximizing the team he should be our LB I think.  
 

edit- What I’m getting at is were much stronger having Hoilett on the pitch than we are with having Adekugbe starting.  

Nope.

Davies keeps other teams honest with his speed. He's a better defensively at LW for Canada than LB because he's expected to provide offensive for Canada in a way he's not required to do for Bayern.  When's he's playing LB for Canada he gets forward and gets caught too many times because of it. 

I'd love to a strong enough team that we could play Davies at LB but that's not the case. Hoilett is going have to come off the bench or play on the right side. 

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1 hour ago, yomurphy1 said:

Nope.

Davies keeps other teams honest with his speed. He's a better defensively at LW for Canada than LB because he's expected to provide offensive for Canada in a way he's not required to do for Bayern.  When's he's playing LB for Canada he gets forward and gets caught too many times because of it. 

I'd love to a strong enough team that we could play Davies at LB but that's not the case. Hoilett is going have to come off the bench or play on the right side. 

Agree with this post 100 %.  I was at the game vs. the US in Toronto where Davies played up front.  He was dominant against one of the strongest teams in our region.  Nowhere near as dominant when he is playing LB.

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On 1/14/2020 at 1:27 PM, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

I'm pretty sure that selling tickets is a BIG no-no!

http://canadasoccer.com/files/2018_19_LOTG_English.pdf

 

 

On 1/14/2020 at 4:43 PM, SkuseisLoose said:

Where in here is the selling tickets bit.

@Obinna , @Kyle_The_Hill , @SkuseisLoose and everybody else, my sincere apologies!

 

Either I read that somewhere else and can't find the link again, or Duane Rollins said it on twitter and I was reading an official document to find another thing and quickly copy-pasted that link. 

In any case, there doesn't seem to be any rules regarding training matches that I can find. Apologies to all. It was not my intent to mislead anybody.

http://twitter.com/LaSelecta_SLV/status/1219078083606667265

 

It is annoying that El Salvador lost this "training match" to Iceland, but won't lose any ranking points. :(

 

 

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Is it a training match everywhere I look it says it’s a international friendly? I’ve checked over 10 different sites they all say the same?

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On 1/16/2020 at 10:06 AM, Kyle_The_Hill said:

We're 14 points back with 2 official windows (March and June), plus an out of window (May), plus another potential out of window (July)...

Does anybody know exactly how many points we have and El Salvador has? If not, then we must assume the worst

http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/#CONCACAF

El Savador 1346.49 (rounded to 1346)

Canada 1330.51 (rounded to 1331)

Up to (roughly) 16 points behind at max, then we gained roughly 0.36 points this month so we need to gain 15.62 points over El Savador to be safe.

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