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1 hour ago, Kent said:

I mostly agree and I was going to caution about our less than perfect track record against minnows as well, but since you love Herdman so much I thought I should point out our 4 Nations League wins against minnows. Not World Cup Qualifying but your illustration above is why I give Herdman some amount of credit for the wins against minnows.

I neither love, nor despise Herdman. It's not his fault for being inexperienced (the men's game that, is for those who are always ready to play the role of defense attorneys). I'm just totally exhausted of year after year after year of playing against minnows. It's really not the kind of soccer that I want to watch, nor does most of the soccer world, for that matter.

My main beef with Herdman is that he talks big, but thus far has delivered nothing that impresses me. Like how many games against decent to good opponents is he going to be allowed to coach the CMNT without getting a victory? Obviously more than 2! But how many, I ask again? 3? 4? 5? 6? At the rate we play meaningful matches, that last number more than likely will not be reached until we host the World Cup in 2026.

In competitions, sooner (hopefully) rather then later, your going to have to play against a decent or good opponent. So again, how many games is the CSA going to leave John Herdman in charge of the CMNT without a victory before the mistake of hiring him is going to be admitted to, and rectified?

If John Herdman fails to win either of the two upcoming Nations League matches against the United States, I really think that I will finally be done supporting the Canadian Men's National Team after 50 years of doing so. And that will, without a question, be the saddest day of my soccer life. Zero for four and I'm done.

2019-06-19  -  #12 Mexico  1-3 loss

2019-06-29  -  #83 Haiti  2-3 loss

2019-10-15  -  #22 United States  _ - _

2019-11-15  -  #22 United States  _ - _

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Once upon a time, when the United States was the minnow of CONCACAF ...

30 years later we qualified for the World Cup in Mexico ...

What happened?

CONCACAF 1957 World Cup qualifying

Group 1

Rank Team Pts Pld W D L GF GA
1 23px-Flag_of_Mexico_%281934-1968%29.svg. Mexico 8 4 4 0 0 18 2
2 23px-Canadian_Red_Ensign_%281921%E2%80%9 Canada 4 4 2 0 2 8 8
3 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States_%281912-1 United States 0 4 0 0 4 5 21
7 April 1957 Mexico 23px-Flag_of_Mexico_%281934-1968%29.svg. 6 – 0 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States_%281912-1 United States Mexico City, Mexico

28 April 1957 United States 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States_%281912-1 2 – 7 23px-Flag_of_Mexico_%281934-1968%29.svg. Mexico Long Beach, United States

22 June 1957 Canada 23px-Canadian_Red_Ensign_%281921%E2%80%9 5 – 1 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States_%281912-1 United States Varsity Stadium Toronto, Canada

30 June 1957 Mexico 23px-Flag_of_Mexico_%281934-1968%29.svg. 3 – 0 23px-Canadian_Red_Ensign_%281921%E2%80%9 Canada Mexico City, Mexico

3 July 1957 Mexico 23px-Flag_of_Mexico_%281934-1968%29.svg. 2 – 0 23px-Canadian_Red_Ensign_%281921%E2%80%9 Canada Mexico City, Mexico

6 July 1957 United States 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States_%281912-1[3] 2 – 3 23px-Canadian_Red_Ensign_%281921%E2%80%9 Canada St. Louis, United States

Mexico advanced to the Final Round.

Group 2

Rank Team Pts Pld W D L GF GA
1 23px-Flag_of_Costa_Rica.svg.png Costa Rica 8 4 4 0 0 15 4
2 Netherlands Territory of Curaçao 2 3 1 0 2 4 7
3 23px-Flag_of_Guatemala.svg.png Guatemala 0 3 0 0 3 4 12
10 February 1957 Guatemala 23px-Flag_of_Guatemala.svg.png 2 – 6 23px-Flag_of_Costa_Rica.svg.png Costa Rica Guatemala City, Guatemala

17 February 1957 Costa Rica 23px-Flag_of_Costa_Rica.svg.png 3 – 1 23px-Flag_of_Guatemala.svg.png Guatemala San José, Costa Rica



Costa Rica advanced to the Final Round. Territory of Curaçao v Guatemala was not played because the Guatemalan players were not permitted to travel to the Netherlands Antilles (the Netherlands Antilles were still using the nation's former "Curaçao" name). However, neither team would have been able to advance with a win regardless.

Final Round

Rank Team Pts Pld W D L GF GA
1 23px-Flag_of_Mexico_%281934-1968%29.svg. Mexico 3 2 1 1 0 3 1
2 23px-Flag_of_Costa_Rica.svg.png Costa Rica 1 2 0 1 1 1 3
20 October 1957 Mexico 23px-Flag_of_Mexico_%281934-1968%29.svg. 2 – 0 23px-Flag_of_Costa_Rica.svg.png Costa Rica Mexico City, Mexico

27 October 1957 Costa Rica 23px-Flag_of_Costa_Rica.svg.png 1 – 1 23px-Flag_of_Mexico_%281934-1968%29.svg. Mexico San José, Costa Rica

Mexico advanced to the 1958 World Cup Final in Sweden.

 

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On 7/18/2019 at 8:07 AM, Binky said:

Oh thank God. My prayers have been answered. It's such a relief to know that FIFA has absolute no reason for any safety concerns in this peace-loving region of the Strait of Hormuz.

And yes, you are 100% correct. It's been a very long ago since I've heard anything from Sammy bin Laden's kids, Hamza in particular. So I am rather ill informed, to say the least.

In closing on this matter, I would like to thank you for putting my mind at ease. We can now all throw caution to the wind and return our attention to focusing 100% on soccer and the Road to Qatar.

BTW Do you now of any good head-shops in the region?

Well this explains why I haven't heard anything from Hamza:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/31/politics/hamza-bin-laden-dead/index.html

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On 7/29/2019 at 12:21 PM, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

The CSA as a whole got screwed by this change. It seems like it blindsided everyone, maybe even the fools at in the CONCACAF offices in Miami.

Like how dumb can you get? Mt. Vic just doesn't get it. Like how much moolah do you think that Coca-Cola fork over to FIFA every year for the right to have their name associated with the FIFA/Coca-Cola rankings? And here Mt. Vic goes and disrespects one of the world's largest corporation by just randomly establishing his own ranking system for CONCACAF World Cup qualifying! Like how stupid is that? Like, quick Mt. Vic, "Where's the Coca-Cola headquarters? Here's a clue: It's somewhere in your CONCACAF empire.

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Would you buy an insurance policy from a wiseguy like that?

https://axisgroup.insure/our-team/victor-montagliani/

 

 

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To the people that say Montagliani must not have known about the rule/policy that FIFA rankings need to be used, a much more plausible explanation was that he thought there was going to be a change to that rule, but then in the end they didn't have the votes that they thought they did to enact the change. Rule couldn't be changed, so then at the last minute they had to revert to FIFA rankings. Purely speculation on my part, but it seems a lot more plausible to me than Montagliani not knowing the rule, and none of the FA's in the region knowing the rule/mentioning the rule to him through the whole process.

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45 minutes ago, Kent said:

 a much more plausible explanation was that he thought there was going to be a change to that rule

If he honestly thought that there was going to be a change to that rule, should he not have been ethically obligated to wait with announcing his new CONCACAF format until after the rule had actually been changed?

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4936930/fifa-world-cup-seeding-ranking-system-russia-2018-wales/

Besides, the FIFA rules have been well documented for close to 2 years now.

TOP RANKING 

Fifa to tighten up World Cup ranking system after Russia 2018 as rules allow countries such as Wales to boost seedings by playing fewer friendlies

Playing non-competitive games can jeopardise a nation's standing so Fifa intends to bring in more competitive games for every country

By Warren Haughton

17 Nov 2017, 15:09

Updated: 17 Nov 2017, 15:41

FIFA are set to tighten up seeding rules which have allowed countries such as Wales to boost their World Cup rankings by limiting the amount of friendlies they play.

Inside World Football report new rules could be implemented after the Russia World Cup.

Wales are ranked 13th by Fifa

The current system has allowed some countries  to gain an unfair advantage over busier national sides.

World Cup seedings are based on the FIFA world rankings, using a points system which calculates average points for each game, and that has included friendly matches.

Wales are one of the nations to benefit from the current system, having played fewer friendlies and had less risk of losing ranking points.

Chris Coleman’s side, who failed to qualify for next summer’s World Cup, have moved up to 13th in the rankings.
After a friendly against Holland in 2014 the Welsh did not play another non-competitive game for 17 months.

Fifa boss Gianni Infantino is looking to change the World Cup seeding system.

Wales played fewer friendlies than other nations in recent years.

So by avoiding friendlies and the jeopardy of losing ranking points, Wales entered Fifa’s top ten in 2015 for the first time in their history.

But from September 2018 European and CONCACAF teams will begin playing in Nations League competitions on dates in the FIFA calendar usually set aside for friendly games.

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There will now be less space in the international calendar for friendly matches for countries in those two confederations.

In a statement, the world governing body said:“FIFA is reviewing the FIFA World Ranking system and will take a decision after the completion of qualification for the 2018 World Cup if any changes are be made to improve the ranking.”

England have played more friendlies and faced the best in the worldCredit: Getty - Contributor

England are 12th in the rankings, and compared to neighbours Wales are paying the price for what could be seen as playing too many non-competitive games.

The Three Lions have lost to France, Germany and Holland in the last two years, as the FA continue to arrange games against top ranking nations.

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2 hours ago, Binky said:

If he honestly thought that there was going to be a change to that rule, should he not have been ethically obligated to wait with announcing his new CONCACAF format until after the rule had actually been changed?

Yeah, didn't you also complain that Montagliani wasn't announcing the format for so long? Apologies if you weren't one of the people complaining about that, but that's my best guess as to what happened. He had this format change planned, probably thought there was going to be a change to the rules, perhaps allowing Nations League or continental ranking systems to be used. FIFA ranking probably would have been a back up option. But he couldn't tell us the new format until that rule was voted on and changed. That could explain why it was a year after the previous World Cup that we finally found out the new format. Waited for the rule change, but it didn't pass.

You bringing up articles from 2 years ago doesn't exactly prove anything. We are talking about FIFA, who very recently was strongly considering changing the 2022 World Cup in Qatar to be a 48 team tournament with one or more co hosts added on to it, 8 years after Qatar was given the sole hosting rights to a 32 team tournament (to be hosted in the summer, which of course now has turned into winter).

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I was thinking the early rounds of WCQ would be the time to give a canpl stadium a game. Because when we have to play the cayman island at home it’s not gonna draw more than 5k spread out around the stadium in the 3 big cities while we could probably get closer to a packed house in one of the canpl grounds. My choices for grounds to get one would be wanderers ground, spruce meadows, or westhills stadium.

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8 hours ago, SkuseisLoose said:

I was thinking the early rounds of WCQ would be the time to give a canpl stadium a game. Because when we have to play the cayman island at home it’s not gonna draw more than 5k spread out around the stadium in the 3 big cities while we could probably get closer to a packed house in one of the canpl grounds. My choices for grounds to get one would be wanderers ground, spruce meadows, or westhills stadium.

Excellent idea! In addition to the points you make, the cost of playing an international in those stadiums would be considerably less, it would also give supporters an opportunity to see a World Cup qualifier in their home-town, something two out of the three cities above have never had the privilege of doing. Playing a home match against a country like the Cayman Islands would also be a good opportunity to include a few more home-based players on the roster.

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Panama determined  to raise its FIFA  ranking plans 7 friendly matches: two of them already confirmed vs Curacao and the UAE and other five to be confirmed to play here at Rommel Fernandez stadium vs Nicaragua, Suriname, Antigua-Barbuda, Dominican Rep. and St. Kitts and Nevis.

The Canaleros have a new coach from Argentina Americo " El Tolo" Gallego. 

 

 

http://www.rpctv.com/marearoja/Curazao-Emiratos-Arabes-Panama-FIFA_0_1270673274.html

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6 hours ago, xabuep2 said:

Panama determined  to raise its FIFA  ranking plans 7 friendly matches: two of them already confirmed vs Curacao and the UAE and other five to be confirmed to play here at Rommel Fernandez stadium vs Nicaragua, Suriname, Antigua-Barbuda, Dominican Rep. and St. Kitts and Nevis.

The Canaleros have a new coach from Argentina Americo " El Tolo" Gallego. 

 

 

http://www.rpctv.com/marearoja/Curazao-Emiratos-Arabes-Panama-FIFA_0_1270673274.html

It's obvious that Gallego is gunning for a spot in the HEX, while Herdman has opted to extend the length of his career as coach of the CMNT by taking the inactive approach to ensure matches against CONCACAF minnows.

I'm sure that those who support Herdman approve of his chicken-poop approach. Personally, I find that mindset to be totally disrespectful toward the crop of young talent that we currently have at our disposal. Our national team players deserve the opportunity to test themselves against the best countries in CONCACAF.

IMO, Panama with confirmed friendlies against Curacao on October 10th, and against the UAE on November 19th, and a handful of others in the works, will be a shoe-in to make the HEX. On the other hand, with Herdman saying that "Canada can’t just schedule friendlies willy-nilly, arguing that playing a game three days in advance of a key showdown with the U.S. would not help his team. It’s a risk-reward situation and we have to navigate it very carefully,” Herdman said. “It isn’t just pulling games out of the sky. We have to be very deliberate,” it seems all but certain that John is waving the white flag for Canada when it comes to qualifying for the HEX.

Oct 15th matches - Canada vs USA, and Mexico vs Panama

Nov 15th matches - USA vs Canada, and Panama vs Mexico

Obviously Gallego has no problem securing valuable FIFA/Coca-Cola ranking points playing a game three days in advance of a key showdown with Mexico.  EHHH, HEY JOHN? ARE YOU SURE YOU READ THE INTERNATIONAL CALENDAR CORRECT?????? Because apparently Panama is playing the UAE FOUR DAYS AFTER their key showdown with Mexico, NOT THREE DAYS BEFORE, you foolish rookie coach! Oh you're going to be so shocked when you discover that they moved the goal posts on you AGAIN!!!!

Would it not be interesting if Panama ended up as the 4th place finisher in the HEX, and Canada ended up the winner of the Best of the Rest knock out phase?

 

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Assuming we won’t be able to get the necessary points to get into the top 6, my strong preference would be for Panama to overtake El Salvador and get into the top 6.  That would eliminate the best side currently outside the top 6 and certainly ease our path into the playoff with whoever finishes 4th. 

Instead of having to beat Panama and then likely someone like Honduras or Jamaica; we then would only need to beat an El Salvador or a Trinidad and then a Honduras, Jamaica or Panama. A much easier pathway (I know that we would likely still need to get by a Curaçao or Haiti in the semi’s which the Gold Cup showed can be a real challenge). 

 

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22 hours ago, xabuep2 said:

Panama determined  to raise its FIFA  ranking plans 7 friendly matches: two of them already confirmed vs Curacao and the UAE and other five to be confirmed to play here at Rommel Fernandez stadium vs Nicaragua, Suriname, Antigua-Barbuda, Dominican Rep. and St. Kitts and Nevis.

The Canaleros have a new coach from Argentina Americo " El Tolo" Gallego. 

 

 

http://www.rpctv.com/marearoja/Curazao-Emiratos-Arabes-Panama-FIFA_0_1270673274.html

Some of this just doesn't make sense.

For example, the UAE will be playing WCQs in Asia for the Sept/Oct/Nov windows.

The possibility of Curaçao makes sense though.

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In fact, we should be playing Panama!

They are free for the 1st game of the October window and the 2nd game of the November window.

A friendly vs Guatemala in the USA in November wouldn't hurt.

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8 minutes ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

In fact, we should be playing Panama!👍👍👍

They are free for the 1st game of the October window and the 2nd game of the November window.👍

A friendly vs Guatemala in the USA in November wouldn't hurt.👍

I wish you were coaching Canada, instead of Herdman!.

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23 hours ago, xabuep2 said:

Panama determined  to raise its FIFA  ranking plans 7 friendly matches: two of them already confirmed vs Curacao and the UAE and other five to be confirmed to play here at Rommel Fernandez stadium vs Nicaragua, Suriname, Antigua-Barbuda, Dominican Rep. and St. Kitts and Nevis.

The Canaleros have a new coach from Argentina Americo " El Tolo" Gallego. 

 

 

http://www.rpctv.com/marearoja/Curazao-Emiratos-Arabes-Panama-FIFA_0_1270673274.html

Don't forget that if you play and lose, your ranking points go down.

It is hard to artificially raise your ranking using an ELO-like system. If you think your ranking is too low, the best way to boost it would probably be to play and beat those teams you think are weaker but who are ranked higher. Of course those teams may not be too keen to participate.

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35 minutes ago, Lofty said:

Don't forget that if you play and lose, your ranking points go down.

It is hard to artificially raise your ranking using an ELO-like system. If you think your ranking is too low, the best way to boost it would probably be to play and beat those teams you think are weaker but who are ranked higher. Of course those teams may not be too keen to participate.

So why do all of the top ranked countries in the world play so many friendlies? Right now the difference in CONCACAF between playing in the HEX, 6th place El Salvador with 1342 points, and being outside of the HEX, 7th place Panama with 1331 points, is only 11 points. And Canada in 8th place is not far off with 1312 points. Panama is obviously trying to do everything it possibly can to make it into the HEX by June of 2020. If Panama succeeds in moving up one spot they will have a way better chance of qualifying for Qatar, than if they don't. Also by playing in the HEX, Panama will play 5 home matches against opponents that will attract way higher attendance figures, increased public interest, generate more broadcast rights revenue, not to mention more sponsorship and advertising revenue. In addition, the Panama players will be competing against far superior competition, which will make them better players in the process. All of these returns far outweigh the cost of playing a few friendlies, as well as pay for John Herdman's outrageous contract.

But no, chicken-poop John is opting to play against CONCACAF minnows instead, which will not generated any of the above mentioned benefits. Of course, his won-loss record will look stellar, with another 9 wins against a single loss, but it will be that one effing loss that does Canada in, and John, no doubt, will come up with a great excuse to justify that loss.  That's when he finally gets canned and will get one more job in a place like New Zealand, where he again will fail because he is a coward, and then that will be the end of his coaching career. In the meantime, Canada fails again, for the 34th year in a row to make it to a World Cup Final. What a waste, considering we finally have the talent to do something! F U John Herdman!!!

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I'd like another crack at Scotland. We drew them a couple years ago, and they are ranked well ahead of us so a win against them could garner some decent points. Plus I think if we could convince them to come here they could potentially draw a decent (hopefully pro Canadian) crowd. I think we are a better team now than we were at the time. Unfortunately we don't yet know the 2022 UEFA World Cup Qualifying format, but it would be even easier to schedule a team like them if they were in a position that losing a few ranking points won't make a difference to their qualifying chances.

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Good on Panama for going for it with 7 friendlies scheduled, wonder if they hired the Fifa point experts, like a few other countries have. 

Panama directly qualifying last time via top 3 in the Hex ( I had them as #5 in hex before it started), so they clearly see the value and variance of the hex path. 

I think this hex's 4th place team will probably be USA, Costa Rica or Honduras.  I put Mexico a lock and then wide open. I think one of the "underdog countries" will direct qualify via top 3.

Hoping for a good showing vs USA in Nations League, if it goes well, I hope we start playing tons of friendlies.

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We will have to play a ton of friendlies if John Herdman and the CSA are serious about trying to make the HEX, which so far does not seem to be the case. Looking at how the CONCACAF top-ten countries fared in the FIFA/Coca-Cola rankings from the June 14th rankings to the July 25th rankings, which included the Gold Cup tournament, the results are as follows:

+47 points - Mexico

+53 points - United States

-08 points - Costa Rica

+28 points - Jamaica

-00 points - Honduras

-00 points El Salvador

+09 points Panama

-02 points Canada

+07 points Curacao

+69 points Haiti (thanks to Herdman)

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If Canada fails to qualify for the HEX, we better be ranked no worse than 7th or 8th come June 2020, or else our path in the lower-seeded round will force us to play against the 7th or 8th ranked CONCACAF country in the semi-finals of the knockout stage, as opposed to at worst the 9th or 10th ranked CONCACAF country in the semi-finals of the knockout stage. Currently Canada holds down the 8th spot, but Curacao is in 9th place only 3 points behind us. If Curacao happens to beat Panama in their scheduled friendly on October 10th, and we don't play any friendlies, then Panama stands a good chance of not making the HEX, and Curacao will surely pass us in the rankings. Either outcome in the Panama vs Curacao friendly will make the Road to Qatar that much more difficult for Canada, if Herdman chooses to stay inactive.

Lower-seeded round[edit]

The 29 teams ranked from 7 to 35 in the FIFA rankings of June 2020 will enter into the lower-seeded round, featuring a group stage followed by a knockout stage.

Group stage[edit]

The participants of the lower-seeded round will be split into eight groups. Five groups (A to E) will feature four teams, while three groups (F to H) will feature three teams. Matches will take place in September, October and November 2020, with the eight group winners advancing to the knockout stage.

Group A[edit]

Pos Team Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts Qualification   TBD TBD TBD TBD
1 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Advance to knockout stage   TBD '20 TBD '20 TBD '20
2 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0     TBD '20 TBD '20 TBD '20
3 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0   TBD '20 TBD '20 TBD '20
4 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0   TBD '20 TBD '20 TBD '20
First match(es) will be played on September 2020. Source: CONCACAF
Rules for classification: Tiebreakers

Group B[edit]

Pos Team Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts Qualification   TBD TBD TBD TBD
1 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Advance to knockout stage   TBD '20 TBD '20 TBD '20
2 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0     TBD '20 TBD '20 TBD '20
3 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0   TBD '20 TBD '20 TBD '20
4 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0   TBD '20 TBD '20 TBD '20
First match(es) will be played on September 2020. Source: CONCACAF
Rules for classification: Tiebreakers

Group C[edit]

Pos Team Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts Qualification   TBD TBD TBD TBD
1 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Advance to knockout stage   TBD '20 TBD '20 TBD '20
2 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0     TBD '20 TBD '20 TBD '20
3 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0   TBD '20 TBD '20 TBD '20
4 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0   TBD '20 TBD '20 TBD '20
First match(es) will be played on September 2020. Source: CONCACAF
Rules for classification: Tiebreakers

Group D[edit]

Pos Team Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts Qualification   TBD TBD TBD TBD
1 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Advance to knockout stage   TBD '20 TBD '20 TBD '20
2 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0     TBD '20 TBD '20 TBD '20
3 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0   TBD '20 TBD '20 TBD '20
4 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0   TBD '20 TBD '20 TBD '20
First match(es) will be played on September 2020. Source: CONCACAF
Rules for classification: Tiebreakers

Group E[edit]

Pos Team Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts Qualification   TBD TBD TBD TBD
1 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Advance to knockout stage   TBD '20 TBD '20 TBD '20
2 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0     TBD '20 TBD '20 TBD '20
3 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0   TBD '20 TBD '20 TBD '20
4 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0   TBD '20 TBD '20 TBD '20
First match(es) will be played on September 2020. Source: CONCACAF
Rules for classification: Tiebreakers

Group F[edit]

Pos Team Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts Qualification   TBD TBD TBD
1 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Advance to knockout stage   TBD '20 TBD '20
2 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0     TBD '20 TBD '20
3 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0   TBD '20 TBD '20
First match(es) will be played on September 2020. Source: CONCACAF
Rules for classification: Tiebreakers

Group G[edit]

Pos Team Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts Qualification   TBD TBD TBD
1 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Advance to knockout stage   TBD '20 TBD '20
2 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0     TBD '20 TBD '20
3 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0   TBD '20 TBD '20
First match(es) will be played on September 2020. Source: CONCACAF
Rules for classification: Tiebreakers

Group H[edit]

Pos Team Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts Qualification   TBD TBD TBD
1 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Advance to knockout stage   TBD '20 TBD '20
2 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0     TBD '20 TBD '20
3 TBD 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0   TBD '20 TBD '20
First match(es) will be played on September 2020. Source: CONCACAF
Rules for classification: Tiebreakers

Knockout stage[edit]

The eight group winners will advance to the knockout stage, featuring the quarter-finals, semi-finals and final. Teams will face each other over two legs, with the winner of the knockout stage advancing to the play-off round.

Bracket[edit]

  Quarter-finals   Semi-finals   Final
                                   
  Group winner        
  Group winner        
    Quarter-final winner        
   
    Quarter-final winner        
  Group winner      
 
  Group winner        
      Semi-final winner      
   
    Semi-final winner      
  Group winner        
 
  Group winner        
    Quarter-final winner      
   
    Quarter-final winner        
  Group winner      
 
  Group winner        

Quarter-finals[edit]

Team 1 Agg. Team 2 1st leg 2nd leg
Group winner QF1 Group winner Mar '21 Mar '21
Group winner QF2 Group winner Mar '21 Mar '21
Group winner QF3 Group winner Mar '21 Mar '21
Group winner QF4 Group winner Mar '21 Mar '21

Semi-finals[edit]

Team 1 Agg. Team 2 1st leg 2nd leg
Quarter-final winner SF1 Quarter-final winner Jun '21 Jun '21
Quarter-final winner SF2 Quarter-final winner Jun '21 Jun '21

Final[edit]

Team 1 Agg. Team 2 1st leg 2nd leg
Semi-final winner F Semi-final winner Sep '21 Sep '21
Edited by Binky

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What's this @Binky sh_t? There is no  @Binky. Just Binky! I not on the twitter, and I don't do Facebook, and I also don't own a smart phone, or post on one, or watch streamed soccer games on one. I'm just an old fashioned big-screen commercial broadcast kinda guy. As to when it comes to copying and pasting no-discernible-value stuff, I find that there is a whole bunch of worse no-discernible-value stuff that gets posted on this board than the statistical material that I post. So my answer to you is, respectfully, NO!

Might I respectfully suggest you invest in a MacBook Air, or a MacBook Pro, and that way you will not experience the frustrations one has to put up with when depending so heavily on a smartphone!

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8 minutes ago, Binky said:

What's this @Binky sh_t? There is no  @Binky. Just Binky! I not on the twitter, and I don't do Facebook, and I also don't own a smart phone, or post on one, or watch streamed soccer games on one. I'm just an old fashioned big-screen commercial broadcast kinda guy. As to when it comes to copying and pasting no-discernible-value stuff, I find that there is a whole bunch of worse no-discernible-value stuff that gets posted on this board than the statistical material that I post. So my answer to you is, respectfully, NO!

Might I respectfully suggest you invest in a MacBook Air, or a MacBook Pro, and that way you will not experience the frustrations one has to put up with when depending so heavily on a smartphone!

 

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6 minutes ago, Binky said:

What's this @Binky sh_t? There is no  @Binky. Just Binky! I not on the twitter, and I don't do Facebook, and I also don't own a smart phone, or post on one, or watch streamed soccer games on one. I'm just an old fashioned big-screen commercial broadcast kinda guy. As to when it comes to copying and pasting no-discernible-value stuff, I find that there is a whole bunch of worse no-discernible-value stuff that gets posted on this board than the statistical material that I post. So my answer to you is, respectfully, NO!

Might I respectfully suggest you invest in a MacBook Air, or a MacBook Pro, and that way you will not experience the frustrations one has to put up with when depending so heavily on a smartphone!

I'm not going to be reading this website on a MacBook Air on a subway. I like stats more than most normal human beings, but a bunch of 0's to represent games that haven't been played yet hardly constitute stats. And for the record, I saw your post and responded to it on a laptop. Posting a link, and maybe a short description of why you are posting a link, or even copying a short excerpt from it are sufficient.

As for the @, I'm not on twitter either. It just gives you a notification so I figure it makes it more likely you'll see it.

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