Jump to content
Binky

The Road to Qatar.

Recommended Posts

1 hour ago, Kent said:

That link Lofty sent was informative, but to play devils advocate, it was written in June last year before the first rankings with the new system were published. They said one of the problems was the starting point. I don’t know if FIFA did anything about the starting points but we have a years worth of real world results and teams rankings have moved around a lot more than their simulation predicted.

I believe the way they did it was start at something like 1600 for the at-the-time-current FIFA ranking for #1, then #2 gets 1596, #3 gets 1592, etc down to #211. That way by switching the ranking methodology, no one in that instant would get shuffled around and only future changes would be added. So you are right that their simulations may not be entirely accurate, but the difficulty in moving spots is still quite evident.

@dyslexic nam if we had beaten Haiti in the GC we would have gotten 16.4 pts which would have put us slightly above Panama and in striking distance of El Salvador, but still out of the Hex and still likely out in the end (because of 6 easy games for ES in CNL).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Kent said:

That link Lofty sent was informative, but to play devils advocate, it was written in June last year before the first rankings with the new system were published. They said one of the problems was the starting point. I don’t know if FIFA did anything about the starting points but we have a years worth of real world results and teams rankings have moved around a lot more than their simulation predicted.

Is CONCACAF guilty of failing to exercise full-disclosure? Does the timing of the announcement of the new format match the time that effected matches were played? Does failure to do either, leave the door to manipulation and cheating open? Is the new format an improvement over the old format with regard to fairness? Are all CONCACAF nations extended the same equal opportunity to qualify for Qatar 2022?

While 6 countries will be playing in the Premier League of CONCACAF qualifying for 3 World Cup berths, Victor Montagliani has arbitrarily decided to relegate Canada and 28 other CONCACAF nations to the Second Division of CONCACAF qualifying for a possible 1/2 World Cup berth, without telling anyone in advance of what he was up to. Are these not justifiable grounds for pursuing impeachment?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Binky said:

Thanks for doing all the calculations above. If the miracle does happen and we somehow do manage to win the group and move on to the Nations League final championship in March 2020, would another victory, or two, make a difference in catching El Salvador?

Best case, if we win the group via 4 wins, beat CRC in SF and MEX in F, we'd get 26.2 (GS) + 15.8 (CRC SF) + 17.9 (MEX F) = 59.9 pts. That would put us 30 pts ahead of ES. ES has 2 games in hand on us, but they can't get 30 points in those because the teams they're playing are all lower than them. I suppose our most 'likely' way to get in is to make it to the final of CNL, win some decent competitive friendlies in the other 2 windows, and hope that some of the minnows can get results (draws or wins both help) against ES in CNL.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 hours ago, Lofty said:

For those who may be quite understandably wondering about Canada's chances of getting into the CONCACAF top 6 in the shiny new FIFA World Rankings in time for an automatic place in the hexagonal, this article should satiate your curiosity. 

Spoiler: 0%.

http://www.weglobalfootball.com/2018/06/12/fifas-new-elo-rankings/

Thanks for this very useful link

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 minutes ago, Binky said:

Is CONCACAF guilty of failing to exercise full-disclosure? Does the timing of the announcement of the new format match the time that effected matches were played? Does failure to do either, leave the door to manipulation and cheating open? Is the new format an improvement over the old format with regard to fairness? Are all CONCACAF nations extended the same equal opportunity to qualify for Qatar 2022?

While 6 countries will be playing in the Premier League of CONCACAF qualifying for 3 World Cup berths, Victor Montagliani has arbitrarily decided to relegate Canada and 28 other CONCACAF nations to the Second Division of CONCACAF qualifying for a possible 1/2 World Cup berth, without telling anyone in advance of what he was up to. Are these not justifiable grounds for pursuing impeachment?

Yes, but since the Republicans hold the Senate he would not be convicted anyway.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
20 minutes ago, Binky said:

Is CONCACAF guilty of failing to exercise full-disclosure? Does the timing of the announcement of the new format match the time that effected matches were played? Does failure to do either, leave the door to manipulation and cheating open? Is the new format an improvement over the old format with regard to fairness? Are all CONCACAF nations extended the same equal opportunity to qualify for Qatar 2022?

While 6 countries will be playing in the Premier League of CONCACAF qualifying for 3 World Cup berths, Victor Montagliani has arbitrarily decided to relegate Canada and 28 other CONCACAF nations to the Second Division of CONCACAF qualifying for a possible 1/2 World Cup berth, without telling anyone in advance of what he was up to. Are these not justifiable grounds for pursuing impeachment?

This is a step backwards for CONCACAF and FIFA too

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 minutes ago, Lofty said:

Yes, but since the Republicans hold the Senate he would not be convicted anyway.

I'm going to call Nancy Pelosi and see what she has to say about this. Is it time to impeach?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

One thing I don't understand, if you are behind the scenes in CONCACAF and even if you're not Canadian, why wouldn't you want a guy like Davies or David involved, front and centre,  in your region's showcase tournaments? Why make it so much more likely that two (or more) of the region's brightest stars wouldn't be shown off to the rest of the world?

This is a ridiculous risk they are taking from a marketing angle, never mind a stupid soccer move. I'm thinking of comparables, and I'm stretching admittedly, but would Europe have gone out of their way to exclude Shevchenko in his prime from European qualifying or Africa the same with George Weah even if their respective countries weren't always in the A List of regional powers?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

Does Victor Montagliani's new format now render the Nations League matches irrelevant for Canada? Like what are we playing for?

Edited by Binky

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Binky said:

Does Victor Montagliani's new format now render the Nations League matches irrelevant for Canada? Like what are we playing for?

The opposite I would say. If we kill it in Nations League, we might make the hex. I'm organizing a group of 13 to go to the Canada vs USA game and when this announcement was made I started telling the people in the group that the game is even more important than I originally thought.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

sorry to spam the board with more math, but in case I don't have time to calculate the points, I made a plot that you can look it up:

image.thumb.png.ba50858864e2b4edf843236dd992d59d.png

 

I limited it to -500 ... +500 because there are no teams 500 better or 500 worse than us right now. As you can see, the plot asymptotically approaches 0 for beating really bad teams, and approaches the multiplier value for beating really good teams. The multipliers here just scale the whole curve, and the points gained for beating the same rank as you is exactly 0.5 x multiplier. 

Hope this helps.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 minutes ago, Kent said:

The opposite I would say. If we kill it in Nations League, we might make the hex. I'm organizing a group of 13 to go to the Canada vs USA game and when this announcement was made I started telling the people in the group that the game is even more important than I originally thought.

I guess I'm just super effing bummed out!! For over 20 years I've been waiting, hoping, wanting, praying for Canada to make it to the Hex and go head-to-head with all of the super-powers of CONCACAF. Now that we finally have the talent to do so, Mt. Vic comes up with this idiotic format, which put us at risk of getting upset by an average Central American side in a series of high-risk home-and home match-ups. Please don't do us no favours, Mt. Vic.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
28 minutes ago, maplebanana said:

sorry to spam the board with more math, but in case I don't have time to calculate the points, I made a plot that you can look it up:

image.thumb.png.ba50858864e2b4edf843236dd992d59d.png

 

I limited it to -500 ... +500 because there are no teams 500 better or 500 worse than us right now. As you can see, the plot asymptotically approaches 0 for beating really bad teams, and approaches the multiplier value for beating really good teams. The multipliers here just scale the whole curve, and the points gained for beating the same rank as you is exactly 0.5 x multiplier. 

Hope this helps.

No apologies necessary for me at least. This is awesome work. Keep the math coming!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

Anyhow!!!

The cards have been dealt. Mt. Vic has forced his master format down everybody's throat, and were still stuck with Herdman, for now. There's no option other than to play our hand as best we can, cause this game only comes to town once every four years, so it's absolutely vital that we stand united from here on in, as the Road to Qatar commences on September 7th, just 57 days from now, and our lads are going to need all the support they can get from us, cause the CSA sure as heck ain't providing it.

Basically, as I see it, we need to win our group, plus the semi-final match of the Nations League in order to qualify for the HEX. If we have any aspirations of making it to Qatar, then we need 10 quality matches against the best in CONCACAF. Sorry, but I'm too old and I just can't get it up anymore for a bunch matches against Caribbean minnows. So first things first. We open our Nations League group campaign with what should be the easiest match on paper, followed by the next easiest, then the next easiest after that, before wrapping up the group with our toughest match of the four. In other words, the best possible progression to building up momentum.

Our players need and deserve a full-house at BMO Field on September 7th. They need to know that Canada stands united behind them in this send off match. Teams in every other CONCACAF country receive that kind of support, and there's no reason why we can't do the same? A full house and a victory in our opening match is a must. If we can't fill a stadium in Canada's most populous city to kick off a World Cup campaign, then there's something seriously wrong us. Unfortunately, I will be unable to leave Victoria in September, but for those living in the Greater TO area there's no excuse. Encourage your friends to attend. Buy a ticket for someone, your Mom, or even someone you don't like. However, most of all, we have to keep the faith and believe in our players. WE ARE GOING TO BEAT THOSE YANKEE BAS_ARDS!!! We've been far too polite, for far too long. No more Mr. Nice Guys!!! Now it's time to kick some serious .... (well you know)

Edited by Binky

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What I’m hearing about the fifa point system is that if we’re as good of a team as we think we are, and keep chipping away at the victories by 2026 we could firmly be in a very nice position 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
45 minutes ago, Yoginess said:

What I’m hearing about the fifa point system is that if we’re as good of a team as we think we are, and keep chipping away at the victories by 2026 we could firmly be in a very nice position 

It will be interesting to see how that unfolds, as I believe it still has not been determined whether Mexico, the United States and Canada will all qualify directly for the 2026 World Cup Final as co-hosts? With the 2026 tournament expanding to 48 countries, and CONCACAF being awarded 6 places, will the other 32 CONCACAF nations still be using the HEX format for qualifying? If that's the case, it would leave a 0% chance of qualifying for the 26 countries that are not ranked in the top-6 of CONCACAF. Mt. Vic's format is showing more and more cracks as time goes on. Maybe his brilliant format will only be used for the Qatar World Cup, and he'll come up with another hair-brained scheme for the 2026 World Cup?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If there was a joint bid with two countries in a 32 team WC, both teams would make it. Seems silly at in a 33% larger tournament they would have a problem expanding host nation spots by 33% but I can totally see FIFA having a problem.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
22 hours ago, maplebanana said:

sorry to spam the board with more math, but in case I don't have time to calculate the points, I made a plot that you can look it up:

image.thumb.png.ba50858864e2b4edf843236dd992d59d.png

 

I limited it to -500 ... +500 because there are no teams 500 better or 500 worse than us right now. As you can see, the plot asymptotically approaches 0 for beating really bad teams, and approaches the multiplier value for beating really good teams. The multipliers here just scale the whole curve, and the points gained for beating the same rank as you is exactly 0.5 x multiplier. 

Hope this helps.

Any post on this forum containing the word "asymptotically" makes me very, very happy. I don't feel quite so alone now. 😂

Lovely graph by the way!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Yoginess said:

If there was a joint bid with two countries in a 32 team WC, both teams would make it. Seems silly at in a 33% larger tournament they would have a problem expanding host nation spots by 33% but I can totally see FIFA having a problem.

I agree 100%. Having a country host/co-host a World Cup Final and not qualifying automatically? It seems impossible to imagine, and it has thus far never happened in the entire 89-year history of FIFA World Cup Finals! However, FIFA has already officially announced that CONCACAF will only have 6 places at the newly expanded 2026 World Cup Final, and that does not fit with the CONCACAF format that Victor Montagliani announced two days ago. The way it stands now, with the new systems, the new FIFA expanded tournament and the new CONCACAF format, there would not be a single berth, or even a half berth left for the non HEX CONCACAF countries to compete for. Mr. Montagliani's math simply does not add up!

Therefore, as I have previously mentioned in this thread, Mr. Montagliani's new format definitely leaves the door open to manipulation, because If Canada fails to qualify for the 2022 World Cup in Qatar, then the pressure would really be on Gianni Infantino and FIFA to award Canada an automatic qualifying berth for co/hosting the 2026 World Cup Final. Bearing this in mind, how would it look to all CONCACAF countries, and all the FIFA countries for that matter, if Canada ends up knocking the U.S.A. out of the CONCACAF Nations League this year, as Montagliani's elitist now format very benevolently has guaranteed Mexico and the United States World Cup participation in perpetuity. All this air of possible corruption because Victor Montagliani, once again, wanted benevolently to ensure that Caribbean minnows like Montserrat are guaranteed 2 or 4 more World Cup qualifying matches every 4 years, or did he simply draft up this new format to buy CONCACAF votes?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

Will Cuba have enough players to field a team when it plays a BMO Field on September 7th? Back in 2012 World Cup qualifying, 4 of the 15 Cuban players defected prior to the match in Toronto.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/canada-dominates-thin-cuban-side-in-world-cup-qualifier-1.1175592

Canada dominates thin Cuban side in World Cup qualifier

Cuba dresses only 11 players after 4 leave team under murky circumstances

The Canadian Press · Posted: Oct 12, 2012 7:29 PM ET | Last Updated: October 12, 2012
 
canada-940-8col.jpg
Canada's Tosaint Ricketts, middle, celebrates with teammates Kevin McKenna, right, and David Edgar, after scoring in the first half. (Nathan Denette/Canadian Press)

A crazy night of soccer. Missing Cubans, two red cards and 35 Canadian attempts on goal in a lopsided World Cup qualifier.

Despite the wild shooting gallery in front of Cuban goalie Odelin Molina, Canada managed only one goal in 72 minutes before scoring twice in five minutes to emerge a 3-0 winner before 17,712 on Friday night at Toronto's BMO Field.

Advancing to the final round of CONCACAF qualifying is still well within Canada's reach. A tie or win Tuesday in Honduras will be enough.

Panama tied visiting Honduras 0-0 in the other final Group C game.

That means Panama (3-1-1) and Canada (3-1-1) are tied with 10 points. Honduras (2-1-2) has eight while Cuba (0-5-0) has zero.

Panama hosts Cuba in the other game Tuesday.

Canada could even lose in Honduras and advance, in the unlikely event that Cuba beats Panama and the goal difference goes Canada's way.

The Canadians will be facing a Honduran side in need of a win to advance.

The top two in Canada's group advance to the final six-team round of qualifying in CONCACAF, which covers North and Central America and the Caribbean.

From there, three will advance to the 2014 World Cup in Brazil. A fourth CONCACAF team will take part in an intercontinental playoff with the Oceania winner to see who joins them.

Asked what a fair scoreline would have been Friday, Canadian midfielder Atiba Hutchinson paused before saying "I think we could have scored at least seven goals today, we had so many chances.

"Obviously we only had three but there could have been a lot more. And that's one of the reasons why players had their heads down a bit. Because we knew we could have had a lot more goals."

Captain Kevin McKenna was disconsolate as he left BMO Field.

"We're just not finishing our chances. It might cost us in Honduras," he said, knowing that goal difference is a tiebreaker.

"It's in our hands, obviously, if we draw or win the game (in San Pedro Sula)," he added. "But it would have been nice if we had taken a lot of pressure off ourselves by scoring more goals tonight and we didn't do that."

The Cubans dressed just 11 players for the game, meaning their bench was empty. Down the field, Canada had 10 substitutes dressed.

Pressed on the issue after the game, Cuban coach Alexander "Chandler" Gonzalez was initially reluctant to discuss anything but soccer, however, he admitted through an interpreter that some players had left the team.

Gonzalez said he had a squad of 15 players when he left Cuba and that four had since left the team. One of those was sick, he added without elaborating.

Gonzalez lamented the departures.

"As with any Cuban sport team that travels around the world, they're all chasing the American dream," he said. "And it's difficult to try to keep the team together … Obviously it's a difficult situation for the team and it's tough for me to talk about it."

FIFA rules says a team should consist of not more than 11 players, one of whom is the goalkeeper. A match may not start if either team consists of fewer than seven players."

Hart knew the Cubans were down players but opted not to tell his team about it before kickoff.

For Hart and his players, playing against a team with no substitutes was a new experience.

"It was strange," said Hart.

And Cuba was reduced to 10 men in the 70th minute after striker Roberto Linares was set off on a challenge that crumpled captain Kevin McKenna.

Three minutes later, Canadian striker Olivier Occean was sent off for a melee that ensued after Will Johnson's headed goal made it 2-0. That means Occean will have to miss the Honduras game.

Whatever the numbers, it was one-way traffic on the field and Canada — ranked No. 61 in the world — should have been ahead by a touchdown after 45 minutes.

The chances were there, but the finishing wasn't for most of the game. It's a familiar story for Hart who saw his team put 14 shots on target to Cuba's one (Canada led goal attempts 35-7) while holding 9-0 edge in corners.

Hart said he thought his team began to doubt itself and lose discipline when the goals did not keep coming in the first half.

Asked what he said at halftime, Hart replied:"The one thing I didn't want to say is keep on doing what we've been doing."

Instead he preached patience and ball movement, to see if he could stretch a tiring Cuban team and find room behind the visitors' defence.

Tosaint Ricketts scored for Canada in the 14th minute. And until Johnson's goal padded the lead with just 20 minutes remaining, the Cubans were one kick away from evening the score and silencing the enthusiastic crowd at BMO Field.

Fullback David Edgar made it 3-0 in the 78th minute with a sweet volley coming in off the flank.

"I would have liked to score six," Hart said later. "But to be honest we scored some goals, we won the game.

"And I told the players our objective should be to win the game. And what happens happens. And we did that, we scored some goals. And I'll take it."

McKenna was far gloomier, especially about the missed chances in front of goal.

"What can you say? It's been like that in Canadian soccer for a long time. I don't know."

"For me it's not good enough," he said of Friday's performance.

The Cubans, ranked 146th in the world, are just playing out the string, glued to the bottom of their four-team group.

The Cuban coach said later he was working in new talent into his squad, players chosen for "a passion and a love of the game." He noted that two of his starting 11 played injured, included one with five stitches in his leg.

Once the game started, Canada's subs and coaches sat in a line of chairs in front of the dugout. The Cuban coaching staff opted to sit in their dugout with only the coach stalking the sideline.

Ricketts finally scored for Canada in the 14th minute, set up by a beautiful interplay between Ante Jazic and Simeon Jackson. Jazic's cross eluded Hutchinson but Ricketts was there to tap it in.

The first half ended with a flurry of Canadian attacks. Canada outshooting Cuba 21-2 (9-1 in shots on target) in the half. The home side had nine corners to Cuba's none.

Cuba regained some of its poise in the second half but Canada still held the upper hand, coming at the visitors in waves. At times, it was a shooting gallery in front of Molina and more than one Canadian player should have left the ground with a big stuffed animal.

Canada is bidding to reach the final round of qualifying in the region since 1997 when it finished last in the six-man group with a 1-6-3 record.

The Canadian men have only qualified for the World Cup final once — in 1986.

Canada opened this round of qualifying with a 1-0 win over Cuba in Havana in June. The Canadians tied Honduras 0-0 in Toronto next time out.

At the recently held Gold Cup in Pasadena California, the Cuban captain defected right after Cuba's match against Mexico.

The captain of Cuba deserts the national team during the Gold Cup

Defender Yasmani López left the Cuban concentration after the match against Mexico played in Pasadena, California

gold CupYasmani López, during a press conference of the Gold Cup. OMAR VEGA GETTY

"We only come to the field to give what we have, delivering the heart," said Cuban defender and captain Yasmani Lopez after the 7-0 loss to Mexico in the Gold Cup, played in the United States. Those were his last words as selected from Cuba.Lopez defected from the national team, as confirmed by his coach, Raul Mederos.

"With regard to the case of Yasmani, it is a decision of him, none of the comrades, we are 30, we have to do with that," Mederos added during a press conference.Yasmani Lopez, a 31-year-old central defender, represented Cuba in international soccer tournaments since 2013. His last game was against Mexico, in the first game of the group stage. Lopez, with number four in the back, played the 90 minutes with the bracelet of leader of Cuba. "The important thing is that we fight," he said at the end of the match against the Mexicans. "I'm taking nice things, it's a nice experience in the Gold Cup for us," he added.

The Cuban national team has faced problems in the start of the Gold Cup . The Caribbean group arrived in the United States with little time to adapt: a day and a half. Yordan Santa Cruz, his first captain and scorer, who was denied his visa, could not go to the trip. The Cuban team also had problems with the distribution of uniforms and even, during the game against Mexico, its goalkeeper Sandy Sanchez wore a uniform with a coat of arms of the Cuban Federation old and different from his teammates.

The history of defections of Cuban national football and baseball teams is long. In the Gold Cup, for example, 11 players have left the team in the past six editions (2002, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2011 and 2015). Four years ago, Ariel Martínez escaped from the hotel where they were staying despite having classified the islanders to the quarterfinals. Last November, a dozen footballers left the Cuban national team's concentration during the Concacaf Premundial sub-20.

Edited by Binky

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

They’ll have enough players. They have a large domestic league to call from. 

Of course as more players defect, the lower the quality of the remaining players. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, king1010 said:

They’ll have enough players. They have a large domestic league to call from. 

Of course as more players defect, the lower the quality of the remaining players. 

I'd be worried about the match in Cuba. Obviously, Cuban defections are nothing new, and the Cuban authorities know that too. Because of this, the Cuban often travel with their B-team, and use their A-team for home matches only. Just go check their past line-ups. Herdman should definitely not overlook this fact. In the past Canada has done okay against Cuba on Canadian soil, but struggled in Havana. Therefore, Herdman should not get over-confident after the September 7th game in Toronto. Canada will definitely need to field our strongest possible line-up in Havana. None of this crap about saving players for other matches. We don't have the depth yet for that kind of luxury. Canada MUST get six points from these first two matches against Cuba if we are going to top the group!!!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So in the lead-up to and during the Gold Cup Canada had the following effect on FIFA rankings:

Win against T&T -- oops, not an official friendly, NO POINTS FOR YOU!
Win against Matrinique -- oops not a FIFA member, NO POINTS FOR YOU!
Loss against Mexico -- oops you lost, NO POINTS FOR YOU!
Win against Cuba -- currently ranked 175th in FIFA ranking...
Loss against Haiti -- oops you lost, NO POINTS FOR YOU!

This has been our calendar year 2019 so far. Herdman better start pushing for friendlies, unless he'd rather just pad his stats against minnows only to lose out near the end to a team that "wanted it more" or whatever.

We need to make the HEX. I don't like our chances against 28 other teams, hurdle after hurdle, only to maybe get a chance to play the 4th place HEX team and if win that probably play against CONMEBOL.

Brutal.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Bertuzzi44 said:

So in the lead-up to and during the Gold Cup Canada had the following effect on FIFA rankings:

Win against T&T -- oops, not an official friendly, NO POINTS FOR YOU!
Win against Matrinique -- oops not a FIFA member, NO POINTS FOR YOU!
Loss against Mexico -- oops you lost, NO POINTS FOR YOU!
Win against Cuba -- currently ranked 175th in FIFA ranking...
Loss against Haiti -- oops you lost, NO POINTS FOR YOU!

This has been our calendar year 2019 so far. Herdman better start pushing for friendlies, unless he'd rather just pad his stats against minnows only to lose out near the end to a team that "wanted it more" or whatever.

We need to make the HEX. I don't like our chances against 28 other teams, hurdle after hurdle, only to maybe get a chance to play the 4th place HEX team and if win that probably play against CONMEBOL.

Brutal.

Brutal? Ha!

As much as I'm no fan of Herdman, this is definitely not on him. Consider the fact that the CMNT has played only 7 international friendlies on Canadian soil over the past 10 years, then surely the CSA must be held accountable for this, as you correctly identified, brutal record.

2010-09-04  Canada - Peru  0-2  BMO Field, Toronto

2010-09-07  Canada - Honduras  2-1  Stade Saputo, Montreal

2011-06-01  Canada - Ecuador  2-2  BMO Field, Toronto

2013-05-28  Canada - Costa Rica  0-1  Commonwealth Stadium, Edmonton

2014-09-09  Canada - Jamaica 3-1  BMO Field, Toronto

2017-06-13  Canada - Curacao 2-1  Stade Saputo, Montreal

2017-09-02  Canada - Jamaica 2-0  BMO Field, Toronto

I know that many of you get upset at me when I criticize the CSA, but come on now, really. Is this an acceptable track record for an national association that tries to pass itself off as being committed to the success of our national teams? Please. Give me an effing break!!!

   

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

Why are FIFA and CONCACAF making the beautiful game so convoluted? It appears that the powers in control are attempting to manipulate the outcome of matches and tournaments far too much. Not only has VAR has taken momentum out of the game, it has also deprived fans of the joy that controversy, as a result of human error, brings about. For example, years from now soccer fans will have nothing memorable to discuss, such as "the Hand of God," or "England's third goal of the 1966 World Cup Final," just to named name a couple of incidents. The powers in control have made the game as sterile as a hospital operating room. Yuk!

Even worse is the emphasis that FIFA and CONCACAF are placing on ranking systems. Talk about convolution of a game originally invented in a London tavern back in 1863 with only 13 rules. That seemed to work just fine for a century and a half. Just look at today's CONCACAF rankings with the FIFA/Coca-Cola rankings. Why the difference? Why not just put all the names in a hat and have a "fair and square" draw?

FIFA World Rankings

CONCACAF FIFA Country Points +/-
1 18 23px-Flag_of_Mexico.svg.png Mexico 1557 Steady
2 30 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States 1495 Decrease 6
3 39 23px-Flag_of_Costa_Rica.svg.png Costa Rica 1453 Decrease 1
4 54 23px-Flag_of_Jamaica.svg.png Jamaica 1397 Increase 2
5 61 23px-Flag_of_Honduras.svg.png Honduras 1368 Steady
6 69 23px-Flag_of_El_Salvador.svg.png El Salvador 1342 Increase 2
7 75 23px-Flag_of_Panama.svg.png Panama 1322 Decrease 1
8 78 23px-Flag_of_Canada_%28Pantone%29.svg.pn Canada 1314 Steady
9 79 23px-Flag_of_Cura%C3%A7ao.svg.png Curaçao 1302 Increase 3
10 92 23px-Flag_of_Trinidad_and_Tobago.svg.png Trinidad and Tobago 1269 Increase 1
11 101 23px-Flag_of_Haiti.svg.png Haiti 1219 Decrease 1
12 124 23px-Flag_of_Antigua_and_Barbuda.svg.png Antigua and Barbuda 1136 Decrease 1
13 129 23px-Flag_of_Nicaragua.svg.png Nicaragua 1118 Steady
14 133 23px-Flag_of_Saint_Kitts_and_Nevis.svg.p Saint Kitts and Nevis 1096 Increase 2
15 145 23px-Flag_of_Guatemala.svg.png Guatemala 1072 Decrease 2
16 152 23px-Flag_of_Suriname.svg.png Suriname 1045 Steady
17 154 23px-Flag_of_the_Dominican_Republic.svg. Dominican Republic 1028 Steady
18 164 23px-Flag_of_Barbados.svg.png Barbados 996 Decrease 3
19 166 23px-Flag_of_Belize.svg.png Belize 994 Decrease 3
20 172 23px-Flag_of_Saint_Lucia.svg.png Saint Lucia 975 Decrease 2
21 173 23px-Flag_of_Grenada.svg.png Grenada 973 Decrease 1
22 174 23px-Flag_of_Bermuda.svg.png Bermuda 964 Increase 1
23 175 23px-Flag_of_Cuba.svg.png Cuba 961 Decrease 1
24 177 23px-Flag_of_Dominica.svg.png Dominica 954 Increase 1
23px-Flag_of_Guyana.svg.png Guyana 954 Decrease 2
23px-Flag_of_Saint_Vincent_and_the_Grena Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 954 Increase 1
27 180 23px-Flag_of_Puerto_Rico.svg.png Puerto Rico 940 Increase 1
28 189 23px-Flag_of_Aruba.svg.png Aruba 909 Decrease 1
29 197 23px-Flag_of_Montserrat.svg.png Montserrat 895 Increase 2
30 199 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States_Virgin_Is U.S. Virgin Islands 888 Increase 1
31 205 23px-Flag_of_the_Cayman_Islands.svg.png Cayman Islands 867 Increase 1
23px-Flag_of_the_British_Virgin_Islands. British Virgin Islands 867 Increase 1
33 208 23px-Flag_of_the_Turks_and_Caicos_Island Turks and Caicos Islands 862 Steady
34 209 23px-Flag_of_Anguilla.svg.png Anguilla 857 Steady
35 210 23px-Flag_of_the_Bahamas.svg.png Bahamas 855 Steady

 

1550cd8dc8e54b0545510d9d21f2d37e.png

 

CONCACAF Ranking

Rank Team Pts +/-
1 23px-Flag_of_Mexico.svg.png Mexico 2,009 Steady
2 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States 1,879 Steady
3 23px-Flag_of_Costa_Rica.svg.png Costa Rica 1,776 Steady
4 23px-Flag_of_Honduras.svg.png Honduras 1,641 Steady
5 23px-Flag_of_Panama.svg.png Panama 1,558 Steady
6 23px-Flag_of_Canada_%28Pantone%29.svg.pn Canada 1,502 Increase 1
7 23px-Flag_of_Jamaica.svg.png Jamaica 1,473 Decrease 1
8 23px-Flag_of_Guatemala.svg.png Guatemala 1,431 Steady
9 23px-Flag_of_El_Salvador.svg.png El Salvador 1,424 Increase 1
10 23px-Flag_of_Haiti.svg.png Haiti 1,392 Decrease 1
11 23px-Flag_of_Trinidad_and_Tobago.svg.png Trinidad and Tobago 1,335 Steady
12 23px-Snake_Flag_of_Martinique.svg.png Martinique 1,328 Steady
13 23px-Flag_of_Cuba.svg.png Cuba 1,163 Steady
14 23px-Flag_of_Nicaragua.svg.png Nicaragua 1,081 Increase 2
15 23px-Flag_of_Cura%C3%A7ao.svg.png Curaçao 1,069 Decrease 1
16 23px-Flag_of_French_Guiana.svg.png French Guiana 1,069 Decrease 1
17 23px-Unofficial_flag_of_Guadeloupe_%28lo Guadeloupe 1,000 Steady
18 23px-Flag_of_Suriname.svg.png Suriname 997 Increase 1
19 23px-Flag_of_Saint_Kitts_and_Nevis.svg.p Saint Kitts and Nevis 970 Decrease 1
20 23px-Flag_of_Bermuda.svg.png Bermuda 955 Increase 3
21 23px-Flag_of_Antigua_and_Barbuda.svg.png Antigua and Barbuda 955 Increase 1
Rank Team Pts +/-
22 23px-Flag_of_Guyana.svg.png Guyana 955 Decrease 1
23 23px-Flag_of_the_Dominican_Republic.svg. Dominican Republic 919 Decrease 3
24 23px-Flag_of_Belize.svg.png Belize 828 Steady
25 23px-Flag_of_Saint_Lucia.svg.png Saint Lucia 826 Steady
26 23px-Flag_of_Saint_Vincent_and_the_Grena Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 802 Steady
27 23px-Flag_of_Grenada.svg.png Grenada 798 Steady
28 23px-Flag_of_Bonaire.svg.png Bonaire 735 Steady
29 23px-Flag_of_Barbados.svg.png Barbados 694 Steady
30 23px-Flag_of_Dominica.svg.png Dominica 649 Increase 1
31 23px-Flag_of_Puerto_Rico.svg.png Puerto Rico 609 Decrease 1
32 23px-Flag_of_Aruba.svg.png Aruba 579 Steady
33 23px-Flag_of_Montserrat.svg.png Montserrat 567 Increase 2
34 23px-Flag_of_the_Bahamas.svg.png Bahamas 540 Decrease 1
35 23px-Flag_of_the_Cayman_Islands.svg.png Cayman Islands 494 Decrease 1
36 23px-Flag_of_the_Turks_and_Caicos_Island Turks and Caicos Islands 473 Steady
37 23px-Flag_of_the_United_States_Virgin_Is U.S. Virgin Islands 418 Steady
38 23px-Flag_of_Sint_Maarten.svg.png Sint Maarten 344 Increase 1
39 23px-Flag_of_France.svg.png Saint Martin 293 Decrease 1
40 23px-Flag_of_the_British_Virgin_Islands. British Virgin Islands 236 Increase 1
41 23px-Flag_of_Anguilla.svg.png Anguilla 235 Decrease 1


 

 

Edited by Binky

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×
×
  • Create New...