El Hombre Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, Obinna said: So I took understood him to be saying: Why are we acting different than those from other countries with similar values, people and governments? I work for a company headquartered in Paris and Marseille and I disagree pretty strongly with this characterization. Very different mindsets in my experience. Also, I think the situations between Europe and North America are pretty different. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 56 minutes ago, Obinna said: Yeah but they can all be grouped under "Western world", as he said. So I took understood him to be saying: Why are we acting different than those from other countries with similar values, people and governments? You can’t group all “western world” countries into one simple pot and say they have similar priorities, values and context. El Hombre and dyslexic nam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, El Hombre said: I work for a company headquartered in Paris and Marseille and I disagree pretty strongly with this characterization. Very different mindsets in my experience. Also, I think the situations between Europe and North America are pretty different. The mindsets are different, sure. Canada is more similar to France than say China. It is relative. Yeah there must be a difference that explains why France has fans in the stands and we don't (well, Montreal is trying, which is sort of ironic). The difference is less obvious than say New Zealand. They are an island with low case totals. France still has plenty of cases. 44 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said: You can’t group all “western world” countries into one simple pot and say they have similar priorities, values and context. Why not? They share commonalities in people, values and government. That is why New Zealand is part of the "western world" despite their geography in the Eastern Hemisphere. Yes context is different, which is why I am asking what the difference is between us and France? Seems to be what @SkuseisLoose was asking too. What do you guys think? Edited September 3, 2020 by Obinna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Obinna said: The mindsets are different, sure. Canada is more similar to France than say China. It is relative. Yeah for sure there must be a difference that explains why France has fans in the stands and we don't (well, Montreal is trying, which is sort of ironic). The difference is less obvious than say New Zealand. They are an island with low case totals. France still has plenty of cases. Why not? They share commonalities in people, values and government. That is why New Zealand is part of the "western world" despite their geography in the Eastern Hemisphere. Because there’s many more factors than “people, values and government.” I’m not even sure how you would define commonalities in “people” or “government” and if those commonalities are even relevant in determining public health policy. There’s dozens of nuanced factors that have dictated policy response to this pandemic. There are things that are not easily measurable or tangible like risk aversion, attitudes towards sickness and death and trust in public officials and government. There’s also many more factors that are more easily identifiable, ones that revolve around social security programs, economic policy and priorities as well as legislation that vary widely from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said: Because there’s many more factors than “people, values and government.” I’m not even sure how you would define commonalities in “people” or “government” and if those commonalities are even relevant in determining public health policy. There’s dozens of nuanced factors that have dictated policy response to this pandemic. There are things that are not easily measurable or tangible like risk aversion, attitudes towards sickness and death and trust in public officials and government. There’s also many more factors that are more easily identifiable, ones that revolve around social security programs, economic policy and priorities as well as legislation that vary widely from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. In China, some people suspected to have the virus were physically locked in their apartment. That was a public health measure that didn't happen in Canada or France, because we place a greater value on human rights and freedoms. Edited September 3, 2020 by Obinna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Obinna said: In China, some people suspected to have the virus were physically locked in their apartment. That was a public health measure that didn't happen in Canada or France, because we place a greater value on human rights and freedoms. Exactly, there is a wide range of measures that have been enacted. I would not however consider forced confinement as an apt definition “people” or “governmental” factors in policy response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 In Sweden there is a case of a mother who was confused because she didn't speak Swedish and was getting her news from abroad. She locked her 3 children in separate rooms for 4 months. She's been arrested and the children now have a lawyer. I wonder if we'll see things like this on Canada? Some of these internet addicts are just crawling out of their bunker now and they're looking a little Howard Hughes if you know what Im saying. Its sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 15 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said: Exactly, there is a wide range of measures that have been enacted. I would not however consider forced confinement as an apt definition “people” or “governmental” factors in policy response. Nor would I expect you to as a Canadian, but that was their response. For China, forced confinement was an acceptable measure commanded by government and enforced by people, unfortunately. All the factors you do speak about shouldn't vary greatly between France, Canada, Netherlands, Belgium, etc. That is why I find it so interesting. All these countries are "relatively" similar. It is strange to me that France, a country with (probably) more cases per capita than Canada, allows fans before we do. I am "sure" there is a good reason for it, but that reason is not obvious to me. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, SpursFlu said: In Sweden there is a case of a mother who was confused because she didn't speak Swedish and was getting her news from abroad. She locked her 3 children in separate rooms for 4 months. She's been arrested and the children now have a lawyer. I wonder if we'll see things like this on Canada? Some of these internet addicts are just crawling out of their bunker now and they're looking a little Howard Hughes if you know what Im saying. Its sad Not sure, but I know people who are low risk yet afraid to leave their homes. The mental health damage for them is beyond sad. That was kind of different than what happened in China. It was the authorities locking people in their homes. Edited September 3, 2020 by Obinna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kacbru Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Obinna said: That is why New Zealand is part of the "western world" despite their geography in the Eastern Hemisphere. From over here, the fact that I have look to the East to see the West Coast of North America suggests that we'll bend the rules to accept Canada as part of the western world even though it is further east. 😀 Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 (edited) I was checking out other countries dual nationals. Surprisingly Barbados could be pretty good. Also they would have a pretty easy first group the only real threat would be Panama and if they won the group they would most likely Curaçao in the second round . But if they got their duals man they would have a potent attack. *Nick Blackman- Maccabees Tel Aviv - Already playing for Barbados Tom Ince - Stoke city- Championship Mason Bennett - Millwall - Championship Nathan Holland - West Ham U23 GK- Jamal Blackman- Rotherham United - Championship ( on loan from Chelsea) Nesta Guinness-Walker - AFC Wimbledon - League one ( Sir . Alec Guinness grandson) Nathan Tyson - Chesterfield FC - Nations League ( old but has played a lot in Championship) Lewis Montrose - Kidderminster Harriers - ( played a lot in League one and two) Tom Soares - unattached - has played a lot of Championship and even some games in the premiership- 34 years old. also I did see on a fifa 20 squad creator that someone listed CB Jamaal Lascelles - Newcastle has some relations to Barbados but I can’t confirm anywhere else. Also it would be cool to have Ashely Cole manage them. He’s coaching with Chelsea’s Academy. Edited September 6, 2020 by SpecialK Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 17 minutes ago, _Roberto_ said: September 8, 2020 - It is the first day of school in the Covid 19 era. It is also exactly one month to go before the Road to Qatar is scheduled to begin for Canada with a match against Bermuda. Will that happen? Has the Bermudian team booked its flight and made hotel reservations already? Maybe the Director of Communications for Soccer Canada can let Canadian soccer fans know what's up, S.V.P.? The answer is obviously no Robert. El Hombre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSoccerFan Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Does this mean we can start bickering over October friendlies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 17 minutes ago, CanadianSoccerFan said: Does this mean we can start bickering over October friendlies? Haha. We will argue over who gets to host closed door matches. Olympique_de_Marseille, dyslexic nam and gator 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strait Red Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 hour ago, _Roberto_ said: If it's obvious, then why hasn't it been officially announced by the CSA? Montagliani was on one soccer last week and announced October will not happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 45 minutes ago, Strait Red said: Montagliani was on one soccer last week and announced October will not happen. Did CONCACAF officially announce that though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 17 minutes ago, narduch said: Did CONCACAF officially announce that though? No, but FIFA just did! https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/update-on-the-concacaf-qualifiers-for-the-fifa-world-cup-qatar-2022tm No games 'til March! 2 hours ago, _Roberto_ said: If it's obvious, then why hasn't it been officially announced by the CSA? Because they were waiting for FIFA to do it first! narduch, Kyle_The_Hill and Trois Reds 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 So will they try to salvage this format? johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Just now, narduch said: So will they try to salvage this format? Yes they will. Now CONCACAF have announced it too: https://www.concacaf.com/en/world-cup-qualifying-men/article/update-on-the-concacaf-qualifiers-for-the-fifa-world-cup-qatar-2022 Obinna, narduch and johnyb 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 I hope the team plays before this though. Maybe some friendlies against the US with an NA based squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, VinceA said: I hope the team plays before this though. Maybe some friendlies against the US with an NA based squad. Would it be easier to play in Europe with a European squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 28 minutes ago, Alex said: Would it be easier to play in Europe with a European squad? How about both? I know there is a cute GIF for this out there somewhere. Alex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 16 months btw Nov 2019 and Mar 2021 with no activity for the CMNT would be a major issue. Are there any FIFA windows during that period? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Likely not. I think most countries in the world (except Europe) are in the same boat as us. Suspect friendlies are a no go but if they are, then why would friendlies be okay but not actual matches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trois Reds Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Ivan said: How about both? I know there is a cute GIF for this out there somewhere. I would love to see Herdman coaching a friendly here with North American players and then watching a European CMNT game with him having to coach on Zoom... 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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