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5 hours ago, Lofty said:

I'm finally over the pettiness of all this whingeing about the USA goal celebrations. If you don't want teams celebrating goals, DEFEND BETTER!!!

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You're an idiot, but we already knew that. You don't even know the difference between scoring and celebrating. And you prove you have never played sports, or at least never won big at anything, you are so armchair and it shows.

If you ever get a chance to coach, though I doubt they'd let you get near children, you will perhaps learn that when your team is way superior, it is the time to teach them other things, including: try scoring in a different way; give other players a runout; be respectful to the other side; be ready to have your leg or face broken if you get in the rival's face.

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9 hours ago, Lofty said:

I'm finally over the pettiness of all this whingeing about the USA goal celebrations. If you don't want teams celebrating goals, DEFEND BETTER!!!

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Why do you insist on coming here again and again to embarrass yourself. Get a ******* clue, mate.

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15 hours ago, Lofty said:

I'm finally over the pettiness of all this whingeing about the USA goal celebrations. If you don't want teams celebrating goals, DEFEND BETTER!!!

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And if you don't want people to criticize your goal celebrations, BE CLASSIER!!!

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14 minutes ago, Kent said:

And if you don't want people to criticize your goal celebrations, BE CLASSIER!!!

The irony here is that Thailand are not the ones who are crying!

Anyway, I do agree that the USA goal celebrations were OTT but at the same time I can appreciate the joy those players must have felt at being part of a record breaking WWC performance. And I think it is very "tabloid press" to focus on the former rather than the latter.

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28 minutes ago, Lofty said:

The irony here is that Thailand are not the ones who are crying!

Anyway, I do agree that the USA goal celebrations were OTT but at the same time I can appreciate the joy those players must have felt at being part of a record breaking WWC performance. And I think it is very "tabloid press" to focus on the former rather than the latter.

lol they were so joyous they acted like dicks

Nobody cares.

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7 minutes ago, Lord Bob said:

lol they were so joyous they acted like dicks

Nobody cares.

You must have not read this thread!

However, a few triggered Voyageurs aside, I'm inclined to agree.

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VAR is slowing down the game, but I wouldn't say it is ruining it.  I don't mind waiting if the ones committing sneaky fouls get caught on camera.

I was in agreement with the panel in thinking they got Australia's third goal wrong, even with VAR.  But the vast majority of the judgements using VAR look like they are more accurate.

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27 minutes ago, rkomar said:

VAR is slowing down the game, but I wouldn't say it is ruining it.  I don't mind waiting if the ones committing sneaky fouls get caught on camera.

I was in agreement with the panel in thinking they got Australia's third goal wrong, even with VAR.  But the vast majority of the judgements using VAR look like they are more accurate.

Did you agree with the penalty awarded to France against Norway?

I think when you see things like that in slow motion it changes your perception. Things don't happen in slow motion. That is why the ref didn't bat an eye in real time. And suddenly it is a penalty kick and nobody knows why.

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24 minutes ago, rkomar said:

I did agree with the call, if it's the one I'm thinking of.  Where the Norwegian grabbed a fistful of jersey and dragged the French player down?

No. The Norwegian player cleared the ball but under pressure she kicked the top half of the ball and her follow through contacted the French player's thigh.

Edit: At around the 1:20 mark:

 

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1 hour ago, Lofty said:

Changing topic, VAR is ruining the game.

That is all.

I didn't see the games today, and don't know what call(s) triggered this topic, but I 100% agree. I don't think video review has increased my enjoyment of any sport, with the exception of line calls in Tennis. Black or white calls work (goal line technology in soccer is also fine/good), but changing a subjective call with video review just changes who was pissed off.

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11 minutes ago, Kent said:

I didn't see the games today, and don't know what call(s) triggered this topic, but I 100% agree. I don't think video review has increased my enjoyment of any sport, with the exception of line calls in Tennis. Black or white calls work (goal line technology in soccer is also fine/good), but changing a subjective call with video review just changes who was pissed off.

Nothing in particular today (in fact they corrected a bad offside call on Australia's 3rd goal), just an ongoing aggregation of ludicrous penalty kicks that change the outcome of matches (see above) and lengthy delays that give the lie to the phrase "continuous play".

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The guys at the VAR got it wrong in the 3rd goal of Australia.  It was offside.  Offside is judged when the ball leaves the passing player, what happens after is irrelevant.  No goal.

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5 minutes ago, The Ref said:

The guys at the VAR got it wrong in the 3rd goal of Australia.  It was offside.  Offside is judged when the ball leaves the passing player, what happens after is irrelevant.  No goal.

Offside is also judged by whether the player in an offside position was "gaining an advantage" by being in that position, which in recent years has been interpreted to mean "touched the ball". Hence the decision to award the goal was correct.

Personally, I do not agree with that fairly recent interpretation (offside player must touch the ball) because there are many ways to gain an advantage without touching the ball and this was very probably one of them. But you must have consistency.

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28 minutes ago, Lofty said:

Offside is also judged by whether the player in an offside position was "gaining an advantage" by being in that position, which in recent years has been interpreted to mean "touched the ball". Hence the decision to award the goal was correct.

Personally, I do not agree with that fairly recent interpretation (offside player must touch the ball) because there are many ways to gain an advantage without touching the ball and this was very probably one of them. But you must have consistency.

With regards to the offside law, 'gaining an advantage' is only applicable where a shot comes back off the goal posts or from a deliberate save by a defender (including the goalkeeper).

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1 hour ago, SthMelbRed said:

With regards to the offside law, 'gaining an advantage' is only applicable where a shot comes back off the goal posts or from a deliberate save by a defender (including the goalkeeper).

If you did not touch the ball or prevent an opponent from playing the ball, you are not penalized for being in an offside position. The Australian player did neither of these two things and was therefore not penalized. This is a relatively new incarnation of the offside rule.

You should try to apply a little intelligence before you blindly quote from the rule book. I realize that may max you out, but please try.

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Offside position

It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position. A player is in an offside position if:

• he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent A player is not in an offside position if:

• he is in his own half of the field of play or

• he is level with the second-last opponent or

• he is level with the last two opponents

Offence

A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:

interfering with play or

interfering with an opponent or

gaining an advantage by being in that position

No offence

There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:

• a goal kick

• a throw-in

• a corner kick

Infringements and sanctions

In the event of an offside offence, the referee awards an indirect free kick to the opposing team to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred (see Law 13 – Position of free kick).

Definitions

In the context of Law 11 – Offside, the following definitions apply:

• “nearer to his opponents’ goal line” means that any part of a player’s head, body or feet is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent. The arms are not included in this definition

• “interfering with play” means playing or touching the ball passed or touched by a team-mate

“interfering with an opponent” means preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or challenging an opponent for the ball

• “gaining an advantage by being in that position” means playing a ball

i. that rebounds or is deflected to him off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent having been in an offside position

ii. that rebounds, is deflected or is played to him from a deliberate save by an opponent having been in an offside position A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent, who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save), is not considered to have gained an advantage.

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I love what Kaylyn Kyle is bringing to the analysts' booth this WWC but I had to laugh at her inconsistency today. After roundly criticizing the USA for their supposed poor sportsmanship in over zealously celebrating their later goals in a big win, she today suggested that China should try not to beat Spain in their final group match -- in order to finish 3rd instead of 2nd and thus avoid (wait for it...) the USA in the knockout phase!

Playing to not win sounds like very poor sportsmanship to me Kaylyn!!

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VAR has officially jumped the shark.  The call, caution, and retake of the penalty against Jamaica was beyond ridiculous.  If the only way you can see that infraction is to run it in slow motion then it should never be called.  Utterly ridiculous.

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I didn't see the penalty call. I did see the retake call though and didn't even realize that was a thing that was reviewable. Technically she was off the line when the kick was taken, but I have NEVER seen it called that strictly, with the possible exception being that clip where a penalty had to be retaken like 9 times.

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21 minutes ago, narduch said:

Feels like this event is the guinea pig for wider is of VAR. 

FIFA will probably decide not to use it for 2022 in Qatar

I agree, I think FIFA is deliberately testing the envelope to see how far they can go.  I'm already on the record opposing the use of only female match officials, I think the women deserve the best officials regardless of wedding tackle, and now we're seeing the result of inferior referees coupled with overzealous VAR reviews.  It's not a good combination.

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