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2019 Spring Season Attendance

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2 hours ago, nfitz said:

I've been a bit pessimistic about the financial viability of the league - but quite frankly, so far the attendance seems to be a good news story, especially in some markets. I'm concerned about York ... I don't get the start the team playing in Toronto, but market it to York Region thing ... because it turns off many in Toronto who won't want to travel to a remote stadium near King City, and at the same time, doesn't market it to the large number of potential fans who live near the current stadium. But that's one team - not the league. Toronto (and York, Brampton, Mississauga, Durham) will be tough nuts to crack - but I don't think the league will die on that particular issue.

So long as the league understands what it is and does't get wild ideas about needing "big names" to survive, it should be able to thrive. It is Canadian. It is ours. That is how it needs to be marketed.

I think CPL is off to a very solid start. Once a few more strong clubs get added, and it seems very likely that will happen soon, then the viability of the less well attended teams becomes less of a concern.

For my money, it is the profile of the league that matters more than attendance numbers, as a high profile will lead to revenue streams other than ticket sales.

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7 hours ago, Macksam said:

The questions still stands though. Has there been any tickets distributed that have not been paid for one way or another minus the complimentary tickets given to York and Forge fans for each other's respective home openers? Speaking of which, did Hamilton season ticket holders actually get complimentary tickets for the York game?

Exactly. If there are no free tickets then there is no difference between tickets distributed and tickets sold.

To the best of my knowledge there have been no free tickets for Valour. And my understanding is that HFX are more or less sold out and Forge have around 6,000 STHs. Other than the Forge/York matches, I think we can pretty much count on all the distributed tickets being paid for. Which is a strong start.

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4 hours ago, Lofty said:

Exactly. If there are no free tickets then there is no difference between tickets distributed and tickets sold.

To the best of my knowledge there have been no free tickets for Valour. And my understanding is that HFX are more or less sold out and Forge have around 6,000 STHs. Other than the Forge/York matches, I think we can pretty much count on all the distributed tickets being paid for. Which is a strong start.

I would suggest that since Forge has reported attendance of lower than 6000 that they don't have 6000 STHs.

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17 minutes ago, Watchmen said:

I would suggest that since Forge has reported attendance of lower than 6000 that they don't have 6000 STHs.

Really??!! "Around 6,000" does not mean "at least 6,000".

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1 minute ago, Lofty said:

Really??!! "Around 6,000" does not mean "at least 6,000".

Sure, but if the attendance is below 6000 for a game, I'd assume at least some of that is walk up/single game tickets.  I'm not saying they don't have a strong STH base, just that I don't think it's around 6000.

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3 hours ago, Watchmen said:

Sure, but if the attendance is below 6000 for a game, I'd assume at least some of that is walk up/single game tickets.  I'm not saying they don't have a strong STH base, just that I don't think it's around 6000.

I have seen it suggested by those who would know better than I that Forge have just under 6,000 STHs so I'm inclined to just take their word for it.

And the matches you refer to were played in extremely inclement weather so that the walk up was likely virtually zero; which supports the suggestion that they have approximately (slightly less than) 6,000 STHs, since the announced attendance for those matches was still close to 6,000.

Anyway, if you can pull close to 6,000 in bitter cold and driving rain that is pretty darned good and you will surely do better in warm sunshine.

All of which supports my point: attendance has been pretty good.

Edited by Lofty

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15 hours ago, deschamp86 said:

I think we should try a little science experiment. How long will BBTB continue to post here for if no one responds or quotes him?

He'll just change his name profile. Again.

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To poke a hole into BBTB's argument, TFC and MLS was considered low budget but that didn't stop them from having great attendance right away in 2007. The salaries and product has improved now but that's a different story.

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1 hour ago, CDNFootballer said:

Just under 5300 in Halifax for tonight's midweek game announced on the stream.

Good turnout. 

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22 minutes ago, lazlo_80 said:

Steve milton reporting attendance for Forge was 6019

So basically no walk ups again?  What's the weather?

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7 hours ago, baulderdash77 said:

It was ok out.  About 14 Celsius and overcast.  Pretty good weather but it should be about 20 right now.  

6c and drizzle at Wanders ground last night. Spring has abandoned Nova Scotia I think!    :(  

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Considering that almost every game has been played in miserable weather, I think a league average of 5000 at the end of May is phenomenal despite the way the naysayers are trying to put a negative spin on everything.  Keep it positive people, because that is what it is.

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Have yet to see anyone say anything negative about what's happening in Halifax on attendance, so that's off base. Where things are going well there has been nothing but praise. Looks like they are heading for a sellout for Saturday's game so the winning formula seems to be reasonable ticket prices, a smaller market where the team is treated as a major sports story by the local media outlets, and a small soccer specific stadium with grass in a central location.

 

Edited by Ozzie_the_parrot

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Now I know why he is the parrot....low wages, small market, low budget...small market low budget.  Winnipeg is doing well in a bigger city, large football stadium, with turf and a non central location, with lots of competition from other sports.  So there are plenty of "winning formulas" not just the sludge you keep trying to push.  

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2 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

 Looks like they are heading for a sellout for Saturday's game so the winning formula seems to be reasonable ticket prices, a smaller market where the team is treated as a major sports story by the local media outlets, and a small soccer specific stadium with grass in a central location.

 

Just as a side note as far as I can see Im not 100% sure that the local media is treating it as a major sports story. On the morning news they do announce the score of the games and who scored the goals - usually a 5-10 second segment. Also it would appear the local paper also reports on the games (I cant read it I don't subscribe).

I mean locally there is coverage of the club and the games however id say its kinda underwhelming. I would place the coverage as much less then 'The Mooseheads' (local Jr. Hockey team) and more then the 'Hurricanes' local pro basketball team in NBL.

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^ Similar here.  Wouldn't call what Valour is mostly receiving in the media exactly "coverage".  Would also suggest the organization isn't exactly putting itself out there in the public arena just yet either.  Better now than before, because before it was straight up zero but there is now some low volume advertising out there and some local level sponsorships are coming together (radio station promos, Boston Pizza sponsoring a couple of rows for youth teams, blah, blah, blah).  Advancing the team and league in the public eye has so far been very grassroots, footie sub-culture almost, but improving.  Which is needed.  Feels like we're getting a sense of how this market will support the team.  Have a solid dedicated (full time) core and a solid (part time) supporting core which together I think is large enough to carry the club just fine, but REAL success will be in getting the broad spectrum of potential casuals out to a match a two each season and that ain't going to happen being out of sight and out of mind.   

 

 

 

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