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2019 Canadian Premier League Attendance

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19 minutes ago, Reign said:

Well they only had like 15 of them there. 

I thought there were only 9 members. Great to hear they managed 166.67% attendance!

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3 hours ago, Reign said:

Well they only had like 15 of them there. 

Yeah, I counted the fans in that group at the banner at different times and there were never 15 unless you are gonna pretend that everyone sitting in that end stand are Gen IX.

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Just now, ted said:

Yeah, I counted the fans in that group at the banner at different times and there were never 15 unless you are gonna pretend that everyone sitting in that end stand are Gen IX.

A Gen IX guy told me there was that many and he was at the game, but meh could careless lol.

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It's that simple guys.

As long as major Canadian channels snobs CPL and aren't showing highlights nor talking about it while ESPN plays Aparicio goals on the same night, it will be a tough ladder to climb.

The potential is there. I keep harassing French media and journalists and sports channels to talk CPL. We have to collectively hammer them nonstop until they cave.

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8 hours ago, Reign said:

Well they only had like 15 of them there. 

I am always in supporters and a lot of the members were missing. There were about 5 actually in Generation IX who attended the game last night and they probably felt like a missing jigsaw. They started out lifeless, but I can't blame them when a few I'd bet went to Toronto FC. We really peaked once Pacific scored, that was the loudest we were in the game.

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5 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

Has to be quite disappointing. Saturday match on what looks on be a beautiful afternoon. That middle stand at center line looks almost empty. The other stands (besides the Battalions) looks really sparsely populated. 

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23 minutes ago, grasshopper1917 said:

Has to be quite disappointing. Saturday match on what looks on be a beautiful afternoon. That middle stand at center line looks almost empty. The other stands (besides the Battalions) looks really sparsely populated. 

Its 45 degrees out. I didnt go for that reason. It looks beautiful, its anything but tho. 

Edited by king1010

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3 minutes ago, king1010 said:

Its 45 degrees out. I didnt go for that reason. It looks beautiful, its anything but tho. 

Ohh ok - yea similar hot here in Halifax today. 41 on the humidex   :S

 

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...and probably a lot more comparable to the Forge on actual attendance than the announced numbers imply:

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which is something to bear in mind whenever people start talking about the need to relocate Pacific FC (more a talking point on Reddit than on here, admittedly). If this weekend shows anything so far it is that warm sunny days in July can have their own set of problems and are not necessarily always the answer on what works best for drawing a large crowd.

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There is quite a difference between a "warm sunny day in July" and a day with extreme heat warnings, I love hot weather and was ok with the conditions yesterday, it obviously was a deterrent for some and many who were at the Forge match watched from the shade of the concourse!

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The weather explanation for low attendance is closely tied to the fact that the fan base for these teams is still relatively small and the importance of the games is not yet felt to the degree it is for other more established teams/leagues. It's not yet "can't miss" for most people. From reading these boards it sounds like if the game isn't being played in a temperature range of between 22 and 28 degrees with clear skies, and not at the same time as another sporting event, and not at the right time of day or the right day of the week, that makes it perfectly fine that attendance is small. I don't think, say, NFL teams or EPL teams have those same constraints.

My thoughts have always been that the attendance is what it is in year 1. It sets the bar and we hope it improves (but it's very possible attendance will dip after year 1, like we saw with MLS, after the novelty factor wears off).

Edited by Kent

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On 7/21/2019 at 7:59 AM, gator said:

There is quite a difference between a "warm sunny day in July" and a day with extreme heat warnings, I love hot weather and was ok with the conditions yesterday, it obviously was a deterrent for some and many who were at the Forge match watched from the shade of the concourse!

This isn't an exaggeration.  The concourse was full all around the stadium, with people watching from the shade, and none of these people would have been captured on camera.  It was so hot that I heard a few people say they were leaving at half time because they were just too hot.

 

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It does raise an issue I have always wondered about tho - is it risky to assume soccer will outdraw things like water parks, beaches, etc during peak summer.   It would be a consideration if PEI ever got a D2 team.  We basically get 8-10 weeks of peak summer and Islanders squeeze every bit of fun out of that time.  For lots of folks - twenty somethings and family types alike - the idea of a soccer game isn’t the best option at that time of year.  Someone like me would go, but even I would have family priorities that conflict.  

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9 hours ago, gator said:

There is quite a difference between a "warm sunny day in July" and a day with extreme heat warnings, I love hot weather and was ok with the conditions yesterday, it obviously was a deterrent for some and many who were at the Forge match watched from the shade of the concourse!

Well, we are taking seriously the words of a troll who relies on what is in many was a troll site.

I'm used to being in hot weather conditions, especially with travel and work over the past few years, but even I learn to have my limits. Victoria, hasn't been too bad with hot weather compared to last year (certainly been more of a wet summer).

This is often why I would consider that the only daytime matches should be played on a Sunday. If not for the need to have broadcast requirements, PFC and others would certainly like to have matches in the evening.

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About this, I have seen a few articles in Spain these last weeks about how they are using rather sophisticated formulas to decide what team plays when in the league, I'll try to find it. 

In any case, major leagues the world over have gotten to a high level of analysis in this regard, especially when it comes to tv audiences at home and abroad. This is why La Liga hardly ever plays games simulateously anymore, and has had Friday and Monday matches. Matches are  also starting way earlier, at noon or 1 pm, when in the past only one team did this when in top flight, Rayo Vallecano, being the third team in Madrid. This has to do with Asian markets, mostly, in the effort to compete with EPL which is way ahead. 

These odd times, especially Mondays and Fridays, are hated by most fans and hurt gates, but clubs don't overly complain because of the tv money coming in. 

This would suggest that similar principles could and will be applied for the CPL. The capacity for analysis is there. But it would have a possible consequence: not releasing a full schedule at the start of the season, but adjusting as you go, which is the way things go in Spain--basically all decisions by Media Pro/Movistar.

I personally think that this is fine that apart from certain dates like Canada Day, or a provincial holiday perhaps, no one really cares if their team plays on September 21st or 22nd, until you get to within 5-6 weeks. 

If CPL is going to be part of a French cable package next season, you would logically have to look at French schedules, and adjust the CPL scheduling accordingly, for your one weekly match. The problem, of course, is that anything from noon on live in Canada clashes with peak tv times in Europe. So maybe it is recorded filler?

Edited by Unnamed Trialist

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6 hours ago, MM3/MM2/MM said:

yes the crowd looked very good on one soccer.

I suspect the bean counters at Spruce Meadows would prefer that the large white letters in the main grandstand were not quite as visible as they are during games like this and that they weren't having to use the 4 for $99 general admission deal to get it to look as full as that in the central sections:

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They spent more money on their popup than Halifax did and that's probably the main reason why the ticket pricing schemes were so different. It would be interesting to see whether they could have consistently been at 5000+ on reasonable weather days with Halifax's approach.

 

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Roughly the halfway point in games, CPL attendance overall doing quite well IMHO. The first year Division 1 Canadian league is averaging more than the American D2 USL Championship who is averaging 4389 per game as comparison, and CPL's worst drawing club is still better than 12 of the USL franchises.

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54 minutes ago, CDNFootballer said:

Roughly the halfway point in games, CPL attendance overall doing quite well IMHO. The first year Division 1 Canadian league is averaging more than the American D2 USL Championship who is averaging 4389 per game as comparison, and CPL's worst drawing club is still better than 12 of the USL franchises.

All in all I agree it has been fairly decent. York I think is a cause for concern. Edmonton and Pacific also have some serious work to do.as well. I think Calgary will be fine as long as they bring ticket prices WAY down next year. Winnipeg, Hamilton and Halifax all have strong season ticket bases and solid numbers.

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