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I don't really see a problem with it. That's always the risk of buying seasons or buying early. I mean, you don't buy a season's ticket to a start up team in a start up league that plays in a 20,000 seat stadium because you think the a season's ticket is the most cost-effective purchase. 

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On 7/2/2019 at 5:48 PM, CDNFootballer said:

 

Keeping in mind that many leagues are in the off season (and therefore not included), here's where we stand in first division worldwide, per Transfermarkt:

126. Forge

146. Valour

151. HFX Wanderers

213. Pacific

230. FC Edmonton

239. York 9

241. Cavalry

19. Toronto FC

40. Vancouver Whitecaps

65. Montreal Impact

 

 

Edited by youllneverwalkalone

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9 hours ago, grasshopper1917 said:

Wouldnt you be kind 'cheesed off' as a season ticket holder if a club did this?? I know if I bought seasons then they started selling single game tickets for as cheap or cheaper I would never be a season ticket holder again. 

I do think single game prices were generally set too high in most laces around the league - however it is bad practice to offer discounts lower then the season ticket holders.

Could not agree more. This is a practice that will kill the club. The people who are attracted by these offers are the ones who will only come back for these offers. Meanwhile you destroy your base of real fans who don't need a deal to come out.

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6 hours ago, Lofty said:

Could not agree more. This is a practice that will kill the club. The people who are attracted by these offers are the ones who will only come back for these offers. Meanwhile you destroy your base of real fans who don't need a deal to come out.

Valour prices for our next home game appear to be reduced. I believe single game tickets for the pinnacle club seating used to be around $59, but they are currently $49 (which is still $10 higher than the season ticket holder price) but tickets in 104 & 105 are currently cheaper than season ticket holder prices ( $25/game for season tickets vs $21 on ticketmaster).  I think it was smart to reduce the pinnacle club seats, and I probably would have reduced them even more, but they are charging the same price for 144, (which are the worst seats in the house) as they are for 105, which are quite good seats.  I know we are bringing the atmosphere, but If I bought seasons in 104 or 105, I'd be pissed.

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53 minutes ago, MrsC said:

Valour prices for our next home game appear to be reduced. I believe single game tickets for the pinnacle club seating used to be around $59, but they are currently $49 (which is still $10 higher than the season ticket holder price) but tickets in 104 & 105 are currently cheaper than season ticket holder prices ( $25/game for season tickets vs $21 on ticketmaster).  I think it was smart to reduce the pinnacle club seats, and I probably would have reduced them even more, but they are charging the same price for 144, (which are the worst seats in the house) as they are for 105, which are quite good seats.  I know we are bringing the atmosphere, but If I bought seasons in 104 or 105, I'd be pissed.

Good points. I'm OK with reducing the Pinnacle Club seats. I liked their pricing scheme for season tickets: $11 extra for those premium seats seems reasonable to me. As does the $39 STH price. But the $58 it went up to for non-STHs was a greedy gouge and that lesson was emphasized by all the empty seats when the other sections were full. Embarrassing.

As for 104 & 105, does $21 include fees? And is it just for the one game? You cannot sell seats for less than your STHs paid. That is just wrong.

Edit: TM currently says that adult tix in 105 for next match (Cavalry) are $31.43 all in. Youth tix are $20.98 all in.

Edited by Lofty
I think Pinnacle Club seats were actually $11 more for STHs. And $57.57 for non-STHs.

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26 minutes ago, Lofty said:

Good points. I'm OK with reducing the Pinnacle Club seats. I liked their pricing scheme for season tickets: $10 extra for those premium seats seems reasonable to me. As does the $39 STH price. But the $59 it went up to for non-STHs was a greedy gouge and that lesson was emphasized by all the empty seats when the other sections were full. Embarrassing.

As for 104 & 105, does $21 include fees? And is it just for the one game? You cannot sell seats for less than your STHs paid. That is just wrong.

Edit: TM currently says that adult tix in 105 for next match (Cavalry) are $31.43 all in. Youth tix are $20.98 all in.

You are right.  Initially it looks like tickets are $20.98 but when you click in, it does show that that is for youth tickets.  That makes more sense.

 

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3 minutes ago, MrsC said:

You are right.  Initially it looks like tickets are $20.98 but when you click in, it does show that that is for youth tickets.  That makes more sense.

 

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At least they have seen some sense with those two centre sections. Even so, might continue to be a tough sell.

But overall Valour definitely in great shape. Here's hoping some of the other CPL teams can pick it up so that we still have a league to play in!

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As long as CanPL continue to keep salaries in check and don't get silly New York Cosmos like ideas about taking on MLS in pecking order terms (it's only Bob Young and the Forge that worry me a bit over that), I don't think there's much chance of the league folding, but if it does I'm sure the Valour could find their way into the USL and cause no end of confusion among Americans on the spelling of their name.

Meanwhile in Calgary all that is standing between the Cavalry and their first sellout for the game against the Whitecaps is that there are no tickets left costing less than $89.90.

https://www1.ticketmaster.com/canadian-championship-rd3-cavalry-fc-vs-vancouver-whitecaps-fc/event/110056CB74571F86

Will be interesting to see how much of a late rush there is on those. Hopefully they adjust those sections downwards next season.

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I'm receptive to the argument that offering discounts on ticket prices may upset some season ticket holders, but I'd hope STHs would have the sense to recognize that this whole first season is somewhat of an experiment, and finding a pricing model that works is more important than catering exclusively to their goodwill. Even if this involves lowering prices midseason, and especially in the markets where the STHs aren't significant in number to begin with.

Edited by jonovision

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This is what a 6000+ announced crowd looks like in a sunny Halifax just before kickoff:

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and this is what it looks like in the rain in Hamilton:

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later on the people seeking shelter on the concourse seem to have sat in the seats:

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but given those sections probably need to be well over half full to have 6000 actual, it's still safe to assume it's a tickets distributed number.

Purple and white seats are becoming more obvious again in the main stand in Langford:

 

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so not so clear now that summer weekends are making a difference on the turnout, unfortunately, but maybe some people prefer to stand in the beer garden area on the camera side when the weather is better?

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On 7/6/2019 at 11:21 AM, jonovision said:

I'm receptive to the argument that offering discounts on ticket prices may upset some season ticket holders, but I'd hope STHs would have the sense to recognize that this whole first season is somewhat of an experiment, and finding a pricing model that works is more important than catering exclusively to their goodwill. Even if this involves lowering prices midseason, and especially in the markets where the STHs aren't significant in number to begin with.

If they're that worried about it, offer STHs an equivalent discount on repurchasing next season.

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1 hour ago, Gopherbashi said:

If they're that worried about it, offer STHs an equivalent discount on repurchasing next season.

I doubt whether anybody will say they are worried about it. They will just do the math and not buy season tickets next year. And that is how you kill your season ticket base.

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I'm not going to quote Ozzie the f**g parrot, but wtf is this a**holes problem? Upset that CPL is like other sports leagues that show attendance as tickets distributed? Fine, made your f**g point. Move along, nothing more to see. Buy a f***g ticket and go to games.

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1 hour ago, Lofty said:

I doubt whether anybody will say they are worried about it. They will just do the math and not buy season tickets next year. And that is how you kill your season ticket base.

Team played the "founder" pitch I wouldn't say hard, but certainly with great enthusiasm.  And fair enough.  I think there's a percentage of people who will knowingly overpay in order to do a little more than their part to make this team a success.  The Pinnacle seating is part of that I think.  But agreed, careful where you go with discounted seating.  Don't make anyone feel like they're being taken for granted.  The organization will live to regret it.

Or worse.  You create a wait and see attitude amongst the interested casuals.  They wait to buy tickets knowing there will be some sort of discounted promo in the future.  They wait and wait and before you know it the seasons come and gone. 

Think Valour has done a decent job of weighing the promos.  Very targeted where actual discounts, modest discounts, have occured.   Otherwise selling to businesses.  At least from the little I've heard. 

In 104 I think for the pair we hold we save $5 per off the match day pricing.  $10.  Enough to pay for parking but not enough to buy a beer.  Of course you have a home for the season, which is nice,  already familiar with the other regulars in and around our seats and the usual suspects living in other sections know where to find us, so that maked the event more enjoyable.  And as a STH you get a decent discount off merch, which can add up of course. 

So far so good.  We're in for next season.  I't'll be years before Valour gets anywhere even close to the number of matches I saw the Fury lose.   

Edited by Cheeta

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13 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

This is what a 6000+ announced crowd looks like in a sunny Halifax just before kickoff:

i5szv6.jpg

and this is what it looks like in the rain in Hamilton:

28hms2d.jpg

2wd6jq9.jpg

later on the people seeking shelter on the concourse seem to have sat in the seats:

wa38f7.jpg

but given those sections probably need to be well over half full to have 6000 actual, it's still safe to assume it's a tickets distributed number.

Purple and white seats are becoming more obvious again in the main stand in Langford:

 

2eamr93.jpg

so not so clear now that summer weekends are making a difference on the turnout, unfortunately, but maybe some people prefer to stand in the beer garden area on the camera side when the weather is better?

So every time it rains we are going to get an evidence package purporting to prove that the actual attendance was less than the announced attendance? 

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4 hours ago, Lofty said:

So every time it rains we are going to get an evidence package purporting to prove that the actual attendance was less than the announced attendance? 

Why did you quote the squawker?

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