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14 minutes ago, youllneverwalkalone said:

I would also trade this off-weekend for one less Wednesday match.

It's a learning process for the league. They might want to consider Thursdays instead of wednesdays in my opinion.

Also, teams will catch on pretty fast that investing in some time of roofing protecting fans from the rain is good for attendance 

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On 6/6/2019 at 2:25 PM, grasshopper1917 said:

At then end of the day the public decides what is a 'big' competition. While I and a small circle of Canadian soccer enthusiasts consider the Voyagers Cup a cool tournament the VAST majority of Canadians don't know it exists. On top of that of those that know it exists I would say a strong majority don't really care.  

For instance last year the second leg of the championship was held at BMO Field and drew under 15,000 which was well below what even a regular season MLS game would draw.

In the USA the attendance at the US Open cup is even more abysmal with MLS sides frequently drawing a few thousand fans.

As it stands now most people in Canada and the USA just don't care about the soccer cup competitions. I'm not saying that wont change, im not saying if that is right or wrong. However the reality is the US and American domestic cups today according to the fans are not really 'big competitions'.

Hopefully over time that will change.

You're not wrong on any of this.  But also, it's disappointing that a league that's droned on and on and on about "telling a story" couldn't do anything with "it's a trophy awarded by fans during some of the darkest times of Canadian soccer and in which pro clubs, regardless of level, compete with one another to determine the champion of Canada and then go on to compete in a continental competition."

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14 hours ago, Ansem said:

It's a learning process for the league. They might want to consider Thursdays instead of wednesdays in my opinion.

Also, teams will catch on pretty fast that investing in some time of roofing protecting fans from the rain is good for attendance 

There is definitely room to improve the schedule. I am particularly disappointed with PFC home schedule in the fall. Whereas, the summer is great, one game on Canada day and four more Saturdays, once September rolls around it is not so great. Three of their final five home games are on Wednesday. Two of those are September 4th and 11th, which is right during back to school and sports and such starting for kids, certainly not a great time for families to go. 

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The attendance at last week's Valour - Wanderers 1st leg in Halifax was apparently 3,854. I'm pleasantly surprised, as my high end guess was 2,500. This wasn't included in the season ticket package, so the numbers weren't boosted by that. Weather wasn't that great and the start time was **** (6:15 local), so maybe folks picked up tickets with the intention of going, but didn't venture out to the grounds? 

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Posted (edited)

No announced crowd number so far for Cavalry vs Forge but looked like they got a good response to their ticket discount deal, because there were a depressingly large number of blue dots in the main stand until a day or two ago.

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3 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

No announced crowd number so far for Cavalry vs Forge but looked like they got a good response to their ticket discount deal, because there were a depressingly large number of blue dots in the main stand until a day or two ago.

How much were they discounting the tickets?

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The Cavalry fans absolutely killed it last night. Spruce Meadows looked to have around 4K attendance for a Wednesday cup game. I seen a lot of people saying that was there first game at spruce and absolutely loved it. Should be a unreal atmosphere for the Whitecaps game. 

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Very smart, that is still 25$ a ticket and you rope them into getting 4.  Have the parking and traffic issues gotten ironed out at Spruce meadows??  The complaining about it seems to have died down.  

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Some perspective on attendance:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rte.ie/amp/1039008/

The CPL already has higher average attendance than the Irish Premier League, which has existed for a while now. Nobody is shilling about the imminent folding of any of that league’s clubs, but all you have to do is check out the York 9 FC thread here to see multiple examples of that sort of negativity. By the way, York 9 FC’s average attendance would be on the high end of the IPL’s. Maybe we should be grateful for this amazing new league that we have, and stop with the damned negativity. 

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Safe to say that York Lions and Spruce Meadows will sell out for Montreal Impact and Vancouver Whitecaps.

We know that Halifax will do well but hoping that Halifax attracts the highest attendance for the Fury...you know... to prove a point.

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8 hours ago, Ams1984 said:

Some perspective on attendance:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rte.ie/amp/1039008/

The CPL already has higher average attendance than the Irish Premier League, which has existed for a while now. Nobody is shilling about the imminent folding of any of that league’s clubs, but all you have to do is check out the York 9 FC thread here to see multiple examples of that sort of negativity...

Not sure you understand what shilling means. It refers to taking money to push a misleading corporate line of propaganda in a deceptive manner. I don't think that applies to any of your fellow York 9 fans who have been expressing concern about what they have been seeing on actual as opposed to announced attendance at the games so far.

Beyond that what you need to understand about the League of Ireland (or whatever it calls itself at the moment) is that it is mainly (but not exclusively) semi-pro and since you can get to most places in the Republic of Ireland in under 3 hours or so by bus there is no necessity for air travel. That means that clubs with under 500 fans on average can and do sustain themselves in the RoI's national league structure although they are normally confined to the second tier. In contrast, once fully pro contracts are the norm and air travel is involved a league like CanPL probably needs 4000 minimum to break even.

http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/aveirl.htm

Even in the LoI, clubs like Monaghan United have folded, however, when they have struggled to regularly attract more than 200 fans. The RoI is also pretty much the only UEFA member not to have a pyramid system, because national travel is viewed as too much of a burden for most of the smaller local clubs there, so there is no appetite for promotion from the regional leagues that exist. Soccer is probably only the fourth most popular spectator sport there after Gaelic football (a bit like Aussie rules but on a rectangular field), hurling (a bit like field hockey) and Rugby Union and was actively discouraged by church and state for many decades since it was viewed as being too British. You are not setting the bar very high by using the RoI for comparison purposes.

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Posted (edited)

Crowd in Edmonton announced as 2076:

https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2019/06/13/canada/canadian-championship/fc-edmonton/york-9/2984611/

which may provide an insight into the number of season tickets given this was their first home game in this competition, so would probably have been included in the season ticket package.

The crowd in Cavalry is now given as 4000:

https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2019/06/12/canada/canadian-championship/cavalry/forge/2984610/

which looks like a rough placeholder estimate rather than an exact tickets distributed number.

9 hours ago, Ngravs said:

Attendance was announced at the Valour game at 4578 if I remember correctly. 

No number on soccerway yet:

https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2019/06/13/canada/canadian-championship/valour/hfx-wanderers/2984609/

Looks quite good in the highlights even with the scope for season ticket holder no shows given it was the first home game in the competition:

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Edit: 4373 now showing on soccerway for the announced crowd. Actual looks a bit lower than that but not drastically.

https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2019/06/13/canada/canadian-championship/valour/hfx-wanderers/2984609/

Edited by Ozzie_the_parrot

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7 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

Not sure you understand what shilling means. It refers to taking money to push a misleading corporate line of propaganda in a deceptive manner. I don't think that applies to any of your fellow York 9 fans who have been expressing concern about what they have been seeing on actual as opposed to announced attendance at the games so far.

Beyond that what you need to understand about the League of Ireland (or whatever it calls itself at the moment) is that it is mainly (but not exclusively) semi-pro and since you can get to most places in the Republic of Ireland in under 3 hours or so by bus there is no necessity for air travel. That means that clubs with under 500 fans on average can and do sustain themselves in the RoI's national league structure although they are normally confined to the second tier. In contrast, once fully pro contracts are the norm and air travel is involved a league like CanPL probably needs 4000 minimum to break even.

http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/aveirl.htm

Even in the LoI, clubs like Monaghan United have folded, however, when they have struggled to regularly attract more than 200 fans. The RoI is also pretty much the only UEFA member not to have a pyramid system, because national travel is viewed as too much of a burden for most of the smaller local clubs there, so there is no appetite for promotion from the regional leagues that exist. Soccer is probably only the fourth most popular spectator sport there after Gaelic football (a bit like Aussie rules but on a rectangular field), hurling (a bit like field hockey) and Rugby Union and was actively discouraged by church and state for many decades since it was viewed as being too British. You are not setting the bar very high by using the RoI for comparison purposes.

I actually think I’m using the word correctly; I don’t view anyone who discusses the probability of a club folding at this stage as constructive or in good faith. I believe that they aren’t just concerned fans, but are instead either trolls or people hoping for their predicted outcome, and pushing to make it happen by reinforcing the most negative possible perceptions of the league and it’s clubs. In other words, they may not be literal shills (not being paid to tow a proscribed line) but they do have a disingenuous agenda in my opinion. 

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2 minutes ago, Ams1984 said:

I actually think I’m using the word correctly; I don’t view anyone who discusses the probability of a club folding at this stage as constructive or in good faith. I believe that they aren’t just concerned fans, but are instead either trolls or people hoping for their predicted outcome, and pushing to make it happen by reinforcing the most negative possible perceptions of the league and it’s clubs. In other words, they may not be literal shills (not being paid to tow a proscribed line) but they do have a disingenuous agenda in my opinion. 

1aone who acts as a decoy (as for a pitchman or gambler)
 
bone who makes a sales pitch or serves as a promoter
 
-From M. Webster. 
 
Using a term with some amount of metaphor is an acceptable rhetorical device. I understand that these commenters aren’t likely directly linked to some commercial agenda, but they are acting as a shills would in the sense that they are disguising the true agenda of their comments (which can only be to create or reinforce a detrimental perception of the club and league) and passing them off as legitimate good faith posts. 

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7 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

Not sure you understand what shilling means. It refers to taking money to push a misleading corporate line of propaganda in a deceptive manner. I don't think that applies to any of your fellow York 9 fans who have been expressing concern about what they have been seeing on actual as opposed to announced attendance at the games so far.

Beyond that what you need to understand about the League of Ireland (or whatever it calls itself at the moment) is that it is mainly (but not exclusively) semi-pro and since you can get to most places in the Republic of Ireland in under 3 hours or so by bus there is no necessity for air travel. That means that clubs with under 500 fans on average can and do sustain themselves in the RoI's national league structure although they are normally confined to the second tier. In contrast, once fully pro contracts are the norm and air travel is involved a league like CanPL probably needs 4000 minimum to break even.

http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/aveirl.htm

Even in the LoI, clubs like Monaghan United have folded, however, when they have struggled to regularly attract more than 200 fans. The RoI is also pretty much the only UEFA member not to have a pyramid system, because national travel is viewed as too much of a burden for most of the smaller local clubs there, so there is no appetite for promotion from the regional leagues that exist. Soccer is probably only the fourth most popular spectator sport there after Gaelic football (a bit like Aussie rules but on a rectangular field), hurling (a bit like field hockey) and Rugby Union and was actively discouraged by church and state for many decades since it was viewed as being too British. You are not setting the bar very high by using the RoI for comparison purposes.

Also, I didn’t realize that the Irish league wasn’t fully professional; I thought that they had a pathway to the European Champions League. It surprises me that semi pro clubs would. It’s not germane to my point though; the CPL isn’t perfect, but it’s doing well so far. There is no basis at this point to speculate about the folding of any of our clubs. Our attendance rivals already established and viable leagues like USL and (I thought) the Irish League, but the point holds, there are many viable leagues with attendance numbers like ours. 

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3 hours ago, Ams1984 said:

Also, I didn’t realize that the Irish league wasn’t fully professional; I thought that they had a pathway to the European Champions League. 

Almost every nation in Europe has a pathway to the Champions League - except Liechtenstein who have no national leagues (though their teams that play in the Swiss league can still get there).

Some of top soccer teams in Northern Ireland, Wales, Gibraltar, Faroe Island, aren't even semi-professional - let alone fully professional!

 

2 hours ago, Gopherbashi said:

If anyone in this thread is acting as a shill, they would probably be repeatedly harassing others in order to stifle any discussion they don't see as positive towards a certain club.

One can shill a product or something occasionally, or even once. No repetition is necessary.

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2 hours ago, Gopherbashi said:

If anyone in this thread is acting as a shill, they would probably be repeatedly harassing others in order to stifle any discussion they don't see as positive towards a certain club.

I'm within my rights to respond to people who I perceive to be pushing a bogus negative agenda. It's hardly harassment, especially when it entails rebuttal comments posted on a comment-by-comment basis. I never initiate such exchanges, I limit myself to responding. Also, I can't be a shill in this case because I am very open about my agenda. My comments are exactly what they appear to be on their face; the calling out of disingenuous negative comments for what they are. 

You'll also note that I have never attempted to, nor called for, the censorship of any comment or poster on this or any forum. If you don't like what I have to say, feel free to argue against it. You may also ignore it at your discretion. Again, hardly harassment. As to stifling discussion, again that's not applicable here, as you have engaged and disagreed with me, and I've responded. There is no stifling, no censoring, no chilling effect whatsoever. In fact, its definitional conversation. Your and others' comments have elicited a contrary opinion from me.  

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16 hours ago, Ansem said:

Safe to say that York Lions and Spruce Meadows will sell out for Montreal Impact and Vancouver Whitecaps.

 

You think York will sell out their game? Or were ya joking? May be an outside chance if they have the 10$ ticket deal again. 

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13 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

Not sure you understand what shilling means. It refers to taking money to push a misleading corporate line of propaganda in a deceptive manner. I don't think that applies to any of your fellow York 9 fans who have been expressing concern about what they have been seeing on actual as opposed to announced attendance at the games so far.

This is correct.

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This is also correct but I don't think it is what was meant. 😁

Edited by Lofty

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