Vince193 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 https://www.canadasoccer.com/canada-selects-u-17-squad-for-mexico-trip-as-part-of-men-s-excel-program-p162078-preview-1 The team. All Canadians clubs are MLS or CPL affiliated. No Marcelo Flores either. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Vince193 said: https://www.canadasoccer.com/canada-selects-u-17-squad-for-mexico-trip-as-part-of-men-s-excel-program-p162078-preview-1 The team. All Canadians clubs are MLS or CPL affiliated. No Marcelo Flores either. Couple of youngsters with EU passports i see...good luck to them at Feyenoord and Chievo. Would assume Flores had something else on the go or is injured. CSA has to know about him. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corazon Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Disappointed that Pinzon isn't listed as he is based in Mexico already, unless there is some underlying reasoning that I am unaware of. Blackjack15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Didn't know Olivieri was running this team too. Was not too impressed with him at the U20s. Anybody know anything about Jamie Dunning? Kamron Habibullah is supposed to be something special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Pretty much only mls guys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackjack15 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) Oh boy Olivieri is coaching this team? For the love of god he should have been fired for the last U-20 failure yet CSA reward mediocrity. I'm telling you it's an old boys club that promise no change and quite sad reality to be frank with you 20 players from the 3 Canadian MLS clubs just wow. Lets run the numbers down shall we? 8 from Impact, 7 from TFC and 5 from the Whitecaps and 1 from FC Edmonton No Ottawa Fury? I guarantee you there's talent in that academy too as the only 5 pro clubs with youth set ups at the moment. Aside from FCE, can't wait for the other 6 CPL clubs and expansion sides to come to open up their own Academies because CANADA IS MUCH MORE THAN VANCOUVER, TORONTO and MONTREAL! Yet some of you compare it's not the MLS teams cause US does a good job, give me a break for crying out loud; they have 20 teams to pick from and have a scouting network of players abroad in Europe and in Mexico - even dual nationals who's first choice would not be the Yankees they pursue every possibility I hope that by the official tournament the roster is different although it won't be by much at best, How can a player in Marcelo Flores who's at Arsenal and has publicly stated that he wants to represent Canada not be included? Is there not more Canadians based out of the states (1) and European based talent (2) out there? Srsly though, we can do so much better yet they keep putting a team from 3 sides plus a few other springled in If the impact, whitecaps and TFC have 75 players for this age group and you're picking the best 20 out of these 3 clubs NOT THE COUNTRY definition of insanity ? Doing the same thing and expect a different result If only the few soccer journalists there were in this country would actually bother to question Canada Soccer but they don't Edited March 2, 2019 by Thomas Stryker911, SpecialK and Corazon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SpecialK Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) Just some the players not called up for the camp. What a joke !! There must be a deal between MLS and the CSA! GK - Owen Goodman Crystal palace MF/ST- Marcelo Flores Arsenal RW - Theodor Corbeanu ( Romania)-Wolverhampton Wanderers U18 W - Kilian Bourleau - TSV Grünwald U19 MF - Raul Matton - TuS Grevenbroich U17 MF - Noah Pacheco - Chievo Verona International Academy U17 DF - Scott Sidawi - Rood Groen LVC'01 MF - Logan Cavaco - CF Belenenses ST Luke Rosettani-AD Oeiras Defender - Remedi Llalpi - Valencia Soccer Academy MF- Fabian Bouleau- Älvsjö AIK FF GK - Andy Käppeli - FC Zürich MF - David Sloane - Carrigaline United ST- Saviola Elva - Big Players FC Defender - Alejandro Francisco Kukovica- Connah's Quay Nomads FC ST - Rafael Pinzon - Escuela de Fútbol Cruz Azul Edited March 2, 2019 by SpecialK BenFisk'sBiggestFan, Corazon, Strait Red and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatest Cockney Rip Off Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 How many weren’t call and how many declined? Blackjack15 and MtlMario 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 39 minutes ago, Greatest Cockney Rip Off said: How many weren’t call and how many declined? Olivieri is coaching , I wouldn’t be surprised a lot declined. The guy is an idiot !! Also it’s the CSA- the Ottawa Senators of the soccer world ! Blackjack15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawafan74 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Fury don’t have a youth system although there is talk of getting one up and running again. Really wish the CSA would get out and scout kids as opposed to just asking the pro academies to send over a bunch of kids. Blackjack15 and Kent 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corazon Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 5 hours ago, Blackjack15 said: Oh boy Olivieri is coaching this team? For the love of god he should have been fired for the last U-20 failure yet CSA reward mediocrity. I'm telling you it's an old boys club that promise no change and quite sad reality to be frank with you 20 players from the 3 Canadian MLS clubs just wow. Lets run the numbers down shall we? 8 from Impact, 7 from TFC and 5 from the Whitecaps and 1 from FC Edmonton I also want to point out that there is complete bias as to the youth players that play for MLS clubs and that these are not even necessarily the best players in their respective cities. There are numerous youth soccer players sprinkled throughout these cities that are not playing for the MLS club. Lets face it, these MLS clubs have specific feeder clubs and there are still "politics" on who is invited to play for these clubs. Althoug, I want to be clear that these kids on MLS clubs are still very talented. Blackjack15 and BenFisk'sBiggestFan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corazon Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 2 hours ago, SpecialK said: Just some the players not called up for the camp. What a joke !! There must be a deal between MLS and the CSA! GK - Owen Goodman Crystal palace MF/ST- Marcelo Flores Arsenal RW - Theodor Corbeanu ( Romania)-Wolverhampton Wanderers U18 W - Kilian Bourleau - TSV Grünwald U19 MF - Raul Matton - TuS Grevenbroich U17 MF - Noah Pacheco - Chievo Verona International Academy U17 DF - Scott Sidawi - Rood Groen LVC'01 MF - Logan Cavaco - CF Belenenses ST Luke Rosettani-AD Oeiras Defender - Remedi Llalpi - Valencia Soccer Academy MF- Fabian Bouleau- Älvsjö AIK FF GK - Andy Käppeli - FC Zürich MF - David Sloane - Carrigaline United ST- Saviola Elva - Big Players FC Defender - Alejandro Francisco Kukovica- Connah's Quay Nomads FC ST - Rafael Pinzon - Escuela de Fútbol Cruz Azul How is this acceptable? The sooner we bring these players into our youth player pool, must increase our chances for securing them to our senior team down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Olivieri running the team.. enough said. What an embarrassment, if this team goes anywhere it will be all down to the players. Soccerpro and SpecialK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ottawafan74 said: Fury don’t have a youth system although there is talk of getting one up and running again. That's no excuse. Thomas is right, Fury are probably hoarding some players in a closet somewhere. Edited March 2, 2019 by jpg75 BuzzAndSting, Fullback and RS 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawafan74 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 1 hour ago, jpg75 said: That's no excuse. Thomas is right, Fury are probably hoarding some players in a closet somewhere. I’m not allowed to talk about it. jpg75 and Bison44 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullback Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 7 hours ago, SpecialK said: Just some the players not called up for the camp. What a joke !! There must be a deal between MLS and the CSA! GK - Owen Goodman Crystal palace MF/ST- Marcelo Flores Arsenal RW - Theodor Corbeanu ( Romania)-Wolverhampton Wanderers U18 W - Kilian Bourleau - TSV Grünwald U19 MF - Raul Matton - TuS Grevenbroich U17 MF - Noah Pacheco - Chievo Verona International Academy U17 DF - Scott Sidawi - Rood Groen LVC'01 MF - Logan Cavaco - CF Belenenses ST Luke Rosettani-AD Oeiras Defender - Remedi Llalpi - Valencia Soccer Academy MF- Fabian Bouleau- Älvsjö AIK FF GK - Andy Käppeli - FC Zürich MF - David Sloane - Carrigaline United ST- Saviola Elva - Big Players FC Defender - Alejandro Francisco Kukovica- Connah's Quay Nomads FC ST - Rafael Pinzon - Escuela de Fútbol Cruz Azul I am going to throw it out there that most of those clubs are a much lower quality than our MLS academies. I am also going to assume that those that are at strong clubs were probably invited and declined. I agree that we should not solely rely on MLS acadmies but I do not really think a kid at club in St. Lucia belongs at a camp like this. I think what we should be annoyed at is no kids from smaller Canadian clubs. Grandbloke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Keegan said: Olivieri running the team.. enough said. What an embarrassment, if this team goes anywhere it will be all down to the players. Again, there are options out there ! Why does the CSA do this. In the past they have hired Little to no experience or amateur coaches. Now it’s Herdman’s bag man ! It’s just crap. Enzo Concina ( former Impact,former SSC Napoli assistant manager ), Kevin McKenna ( 1.FC Köln II assistant manager ) , Patrice Bernier ( Montreal impact academy) , Jimmy Nicholl. Those are just a few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullback Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 1 minute ago, SpecialK said: Again, there are options out there ! Why does the CSA do this. In the past they have hired Little to no experience or amateur coaches. Now it’s Herdman’s bag man ! It’s just crap. Enzo Concina ( former Impact,former SSC Napoli assistant manager ), Kevin McKenna ( 1.FC Köln II assistant manager ) , Patrice Bernier ( Montreal impact academy) , Jimmy Nicholl. Those are just a few Because they might not want to. I too would like to have a better manager lead our youth teams and have better/more players at camps but WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES. So please stop acting like the sky is falling because of a U17 camp jpg75 and Northvansteve 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, Fullback said: I am going to throw it out there that most of those clubs are a much lower quality than our MLS academies. I am also going to assume that those that are at strong clubs were probably invited and declined. I agree that we should not solely rely on MLS acadmies but I do not really think a kid at club in St. Lucia belongs at a camp like this. I think what we should be annoyed at is no kids from smaller Canadian clubs. Arsenal, crystal palace , CF Belenenses, Wolverhampton, FC Zürich, Escuela de Fútbol Cruz Azul. Are bigger than MLS . Elva should be part of ID camp. I’m pretty sure he’s the younger brother of Caniggia Elva. If he’s like his brother the kid got some talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Fullback said: Because they might not want to. I too would like to have a better manager lead our youth teams and have better/more players at camps but WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES. So please stop acting like the sky is falling because of a U17 camp The sky is not falling, but it’s just crap and we are just shooting Ourselves in the foot when we don’t have a real manager at the helm. Also the CSA is just lazy and cheap to scout young players. Edited March 2, 2019 by SpecialK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, SpecialK said: Arsenal, crystal palace , CF Belenenses, Wolverhampton, FC Zürich, Escuela de Fútbol Cruz Azul. Are bigger than MLS . Elva should be part of ID camp. I’m pretty sure he’s the younger brother of Caniggia Elva. If he’s like his brother the kid got some talent. That may be true, but let's be fair. Elva is a bit player on a 3rd tier German team. And he is 23 years old. He may never be good enough to play for us. We have many kids 4-5 years younger playing at a higher level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullback Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, SpecialK said: Arsenal, crystal palace , CF Belenenses, Wolverhampton, FC Zürich, Escuela de Fútbol Cruz Azul. Are bigger than MLS . Elva should be part of ID camp. I’m pretty sure he’s the younger brother of Caniggia Elva. If he’s like his brother the kid got some talent. Yeah and I am guessing those kids were invited as the CSA is aware of at least four of them but guess what they can say no or are injured. So maybe lets relax a little bit since we do not know any of the details. Would also be absolute bush league to invite a kid just because he is someones brother Northvansteve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Qualifying for youth World Cups are very important, for building winners and for showcasing Canadian players on the world stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullback Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, SpecialK said: Qualifying for youth World Cups are very important, for building winners and for showcasing Canadian players on the world stage. I am sorry to say it really is not. Look at the squads that qualified in 2011 and 2013. Not a lot of senior team contribution. I honestly dont think there is another country in the world that cares about U17 teams as much as we do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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