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CPL's Independent Club League Model (Not Single Entity)

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49 minutes ago, longlugan said:

At no point was he trying to solve the problem...*******.

No, he was being a big-headed *******, I offered to discuss a rather hefty subject by personal message and he started pontificating like an idiot. But since he is probably sitting on your face, you didn't notice. 

There, that was fun. Back to CPL. 

 

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Must be difficult for Barca having to be sympathetic to independence even though it's a one way ticket to a Vardar Skopje or Buducnost Titograd/Podgorica sort of scenario of being shrunk down massively in scale by having to play in a greatly reduced domestic league that most fans are unlikely to want to watch regularly. Easier to be the traditionally Unionist club like Espanyol.

We are very lucky to be allowed to have exceptional circumstances for our clubs in "cross-border" terms. Without MLS showing pro soccer can be made to work single-entity and independent club would be viewed as equally pie-in-the-sky by most potential investors. Hopefully the best balance between the possible polar extremes on that has been struck.

Edited by BringBackTheBlizzard

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1 hour ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

No, he was being a big-headed *******, I offered to discuss a rather hefty subject by personal message and he started pontificating like an idiot. But since he is probably sitting on your face, you didn't notice. 

There, that was fun. Back to CPL. 

 

You’re not doing yourself any favours with such petulant infantile insults. 

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Dropping a few more links/quotes here for reference :

I assume that CSB is a registered company - who owns CSB (and %) and who are the directors? 

Yes, CSB is a registered company – it’s owned by CPL team owners who will be the company’s directors.

How will CSB be different than SUM in the US? 

CSB was created purposefully for CPL owners and investors along with representing Canada Soccer. We can’t comment on SUM or their operations or structure.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbymcmahon/2018/03/29/the-creation-of-canadian-soccer-business-brings-opportunity-risk-and-the-seed-of-future-conflicts/#2b90f6acb983

The league will eschew the franchise-ownership model used by MLS, and instead opt for a “club-based style” built “from the ground up.”

https://www.wakingthered.com/2018/1/12/16882202/canadian-premier-league-cpl-welcome-news-in-turbulent-week-for-canada-soccer

 

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My main objection to a "single entity" model, where the LEAGUE decides where it will allow FRANCHISES to be located, is the possibility of having your team uprooted and shunted elsewhere, as when the Winnipeg Jets went to Phoenix. In this case it is hard to feel that the team is really "yours".

When CLUBS are independent entities, the league can simply mandate that you cannot move. If you want a team in a different city, start one there, but don't even think about trying to move an existing one. In this case, the CLUB really does belong to the community where it resides.

In theory, even with the club based model the league could still allow an existing team to move, but as a matter of practice they typically don't. The Wimbledon to Milton Keynes move in England is an exception but it is worth noting that the distance moved was only around 40 miles and it was thought this was small enough to allow Wimbledon fans to continue to support their team. Nevertheless, the fall out is still felt today and Milton Keynes (aka Franchise FC) are the most hated team in English football.

The salary cap discussion has nothing to do with "single entity". A club based league can certainly have a salary cap and miscellaneous other financial constraints, such as the rules in England that are commonly referred to by the misnomer "financial fair play".

Edit: Although this is my "main" objection, single entities do seem to come with many additional objectionable features, as described very well in earlier posts on this thread.

Edited by Lofty

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If you are not directly involved, I don't see how the recent Duane Rockerbie interview can so easily be dismissed when trademarks for each team are being registered by a CanPL holding company, there is a single kit deal with Macron and shirt sponsorships and stadium naming rights are being handled through CSB. Actions speak louder than words, and marketing and finance can be two very different things. 

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12 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

If you are not directly involved, I don't see how the recent Duane Rockerbie interview can so easily be dismissed when trademarks for each team are being registered by a CanPL holding company, there is a single kit deal with Macron and shirt sponsorships and stadium naming rights are being handled through CSB. Actions speak louder than words, and marketing and finance can be two very different things. 

Yes it can, he's not a CSB or CPL employee while the commissioner of the league said it wasn't single entity.

It can be dismissed unless you're implying that the commissioner (all the owners) are liars.

Edited by Ansem

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No offence intended but this Rockerbie dude comes across as a paid consultant that mixes up a bunch of details/facts.

Whatever he said needs to be taken with a massive grain of salt.

Edited by narduch

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I'm not calling anybody a liar. I have pointed out previously that it could easily be a case of there being enough of a difference from how MLS is structured to be able to draw some distinction which they have chosen to define in terms of club vs franchise for marketing reasons.

Edited by Ozzie_the_parrot

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14 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

I'm not calling anybody a liar. I have pointed out previously that it could easily be a case of there being enough of a difference from how MLS is structured to be able to draw some distinction which they have chosen to define in terms of club vs franchise for marketing reasons.

At the end of the day, that's just your opinion. 

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12 hours ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

If you are not directly involved, I don't see how the recent Duane Rockerbie interview can so easily be dismissed when trademarks for each team are being registered by a CanPL holding company, there is a single kit deal with Macron and shirt sponsorships and stadium naming rights are being handled through CSB. Actions speak louder than words, and marketing and finance can be two very different things. 

Single kit deal, Shirt sponsorships, etc don't mean single entity and CSB is not owned by a single entity but is owned by the CPL club owners as we already know.

Rockerbie talks of a 10 team limit for CPL which is also the opposite of the 14-16 team maximum league officials have talked of. He recalls incorrect dates the late 80's CPL was in operation, and incorrectly says most of that leagues teams were in Ontario.

Rockerbie's comments are in the face of multiple statements by the league saying CPL is not single entity in its model. He really has no credibility when we look at the overwhelming opposite info coming from the league. He helped with an initial study/assessment years ago when the types of models for the league were being looked at but in the end the CPL choose the club based model and not single entity as we have seen by info from the league itself.

 

 

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The only thing we know with 100% certainty at this point is that Ozzie_the_%%%% will be citing this Rockerbie fella as irrefutable evidence to back up whatever ******** claims he's making about CanPL for years to come, regardless of the number of times those claims are contradicted by direct quotes from actual credible sources in the interim.

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11 hours ago, SthMelbRed said:

The only thing we know with 100% certainty at this point is that Ozzie_the_%%%% will be citing this Rockerbie fella as irrefutable evidence to back up whatever ******** claims he's making about CanPL for years to come, regardless of the number of times those claims are contradicted by direct quotes from actual credible sources in the interim.

This post says a lot more about you than it does about him.

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4 minutes ago, Lofty said:

This post says a lot more about you than it does about him.

What I hope it says about me is that I think the poster to whom I referred is a ****...and that he's single-handedly destroying the CanPL sub-forum for a large percentage of members. The only worthwhile posts he makes are when he puts up the highlight links for individual matches.

If that's what it says about me, I'm more than content.

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8 minutes ago, Lofty said:

This post says a lot more about you than it does about him.

And thanks for quoting me. It increases the chances that the target of my comment will actually get to see what I think of him.

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10 hours ago, SthMelbRed said:

What I hope it says about me is that I think the poster to whom I referred is a ****...and that he's single-handedly destroying the CanPL sub-forum for a large percentage of members. The only worthwhile posts he makes are when he puts up the highlight links for individual matches.

If that's what it says about me, I'm more than content.

Destroyed the forum mostly.

 

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