Stryker911 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Here is the value of the top 10 provisional list rosters according to Transfermarkt. (I realize no-one likes using it, but cool to see that we have arguably the 3rd/4th most valuable roster). I also expect in a year or two this will take a major jump with David, Davies, and others making a large Bailey-like increase. Mexico - 179,450,000 Euros USA - 143,980,000 Jamaica - 49,83,0000 (Bailey @ 35,000,000) Canada - 42,980,000 Costa Rica - 34,900,000 Curacao - 19,250,000 Honduras - 18,580,000 Panama - 10,850,000 Haiti - 8,930,000 T&T - 8,130,000 johnyb, apbsmith and Bertuzzi44 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) Ouch, so without Bailey (which is expected) Jamaica is 1/3 Canada’s squad value. I’d expect us to be closer to that USA number in the next few years. This is telling. This gold cup is a time to send a message. We haven’t had a truly satisfying win (in my mind) since 2007 v Guatemala. I hope we come out of the gate and wipe the floor with Martinique to open the tournament. My hope is that at the end of game one and heading into our Mexico match the hype is at an all time high. The final game against Cuba should be an absolute slaughter. With our depth and Cuba’s defections and travel across the country anything less than a 3 goal win will be a disappointment. Somehow we always suck against Cuba at all levels. Edited May 21, 2019 by CanadaFan123 Alex and johnyb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Interesting that curacao is 6th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 @Stryker911 market value listing sort of reflects the club quality level that players are at. It's been discussed before but if you look at the rosters of Panama and Honduras we should be way ahead of them. CR's squad is also not intimidating. I think Curacao may turn out to be the surprise team. Getting really excited for this GC and hope we can put our demons to rest once and for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KW519 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 50 minutes ago, canta15 said: Interesting that curacao is 6th Future looks bright for Curacao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, CanadaFan123 said: We aren’t going to use Busti or Pantemis either. It’s just symbolic and the message is that you have a better shot not playing than actually playing. Even if you didn’t want to call a CPL keeper there are guys in USL like Irving and Macleod who are much more deserving than Busti or Pantemis at this stage. Even St Clair would be more deserving having just won a national championship months back and has played USL. Reward players who are playing, even if it’s symbolically. That’s all those keeper calls were. Honestly I would have called Ranjitsingh as well over those guys. Let’s be aggressive and smart. Calling Busti and Pantemis is neither. I know it's extremely unlikely, but if Borjan and Crepeau get injured, one of those guys likely makes the final 23, like it or not. Once again, if your plan is to ensure Cavalry, for example, are not left short-handed, you can't call Carducci for the sake of symbology, because if injury strikes that's one less player you can call upon. Can't very well say "oh don't worry, I won't take him from you, I just want to name him for optics", then turn around and call him in because injuries. As for those USL guys vs. youth like Busti/Pantemis, that's another matter, but the latter have been in NT camp recently, so perhaps that's why they made the cut. Edited May 21, 2019 by Obinna apbsmith and BCM 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 20 minutes ago, KW519 said: Future looks bright for Curacao I think they have a player from Cardiff City in the squad, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strait Red Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 17 minutes ago, Obinna said: I think they have a player from Cardiff City in the squad, no? Yes Leandro Bacuna, who is a MF. They also have Cuzco Martina who has played for Everton. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KW519 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 43 minutes ago, Obinna said: I think they have a player from Cardiff City in the squad, no? Ya Leandro Bacuna then theres Cuco Martina from Feyenoord who is the best player in the 40 for me. Throw in the guys playing for some very respectable clubs throughtout Europe and you have a player pool better than countries like Panama T&T and Jamaica on paper Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 31 minutes ago, Strait Red said: Yes Leandro Bacuna, who is a MF. They also have Cuzco Martina who has played for Everton. Right. He's there captain too if I recall correctly. I think they're in the American's group. I hope they pull an upset. Seems like a team the US would sleep on. On paper, they are right there with Jamaica, T&T and El Salvador. I would love to see them do well. CONCACAF could always use more competitive teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Great selections by Herdman once again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 This maybe a stupid question, but I thought that by virtue of Jamaica's position in the Nations League (8th) they didn't qualify for the Gold Cup? Why the nervousness about finishing in the top 6 if number 7 and 8 qualified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 1 minute ago, BCM said: This maybe a stupid question, but I thought that by virtue of Jamaica's position in the Nations League (8th) they didn't qualify for the Gold Cup? Why the nervousness about finishing in the top 6 if number 7 and 8 qualified? The Top 10 in the Nations League qualifying made the Gold Cup, so Nicaragua and El Salvador (9th and 10th) also made it, the latter at the expense of Cinderella-story Monsterrat. Jamaica finishing 8th meant they didn't qualify for League A of the Concacaf Nations league, which might be what you are thinking. You had to be Top 6 for that, although Guyana at 7th (thanks in part to being awarded a win after a 2-2 draw as their opponent fielded an ineligible player) was actually the top runner up. Obinna, BCM, apbsmith and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Gian-Luca said: The Top 10 in the Nations League qualifying made the Gold Cup, so Nicaragua and El Salvador (9th and 10th) also made it, the latter at the expense of Cinderella-story Monsterrat. Jamaica finishing 8th meant they didn't qualify for League A of the Concacaf Nations league, which might be what you are thinking. You had to be Top 6 for that, although Guyana at 7th (thanks in part to being awarded a win after a 2-2 draw as their opponent fielded an ineligible player) was actually the top runner up. That was it, the A League. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamrock Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 On 5/20/2019 at 6:58 PM, toontownman said: Okello is very much earmarked as a top top prospect more so than Fraser and Chapman isnt he? He certainly has all the tools but was lacking the concentration and consistency at the U20s late last year. Could be they are just grooming him with the older players and getting around the likes of atiba while they can. Okello is such a physical presence that he's ready for it, at least on that level. And I'd still try him in the backline (but that is more up to TFC). toontownman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Keeper Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 I'm actually ok with no CanPl guys on this roster for 2019. The league is in its first season and really all clubs need their best players to gel and get going. The 2021 GC is different. By that time, alot of Canadian talent will have distinguished themselves and truly earned a call up. Perhaps we will see our first call ups for the Nations League. Let the lads develop for now. Its going to be bloody phenominal to watch canadians come through the CPL as the years add up. We have always waited for this.... gator, apbsmith, ted and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sébastien Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 My hope for the next ten years is to see mostly players be called up to the NT who started their career in the CPL, but no longer play in the league because they got transferred up. johnyb, Blackjack15, Corazon and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blackjack15 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) Prediction - 23 man roster [4-3-3] Goalkeepers: (3) GK - Milan Borjan GK - Maxime Crepeau GK - Jayson Leutwiler Defenders: (7) LB - Sam Adekugbe CB - Doneil Henry CB - Manjrekar James CB - Andre Hainault CB - Derek Cornelius RB - Marcus Godihno RB - Zach Brault-Guillard Central Midfielders: (5) CDM - Atiba Hutchinson [RET]* CDM - Samuel Piette CM - Scott Arfield [C]* CM - Jonathan Osorio CM/LB - Mark Anthony Kaye CM - Russell Teibert Wingers: (2) W - Alphonso Davies W - Junior Hoilett Forwards: (5) CF - Lucas Cavallini CF - Cyle Larin CF - Tosaint Ricketts CAM/W - Jonathan David ST/W - Tesho Akindele Just misses the cut by position | Called up in case of injury | Replacements GK - Simon Thomas, LB - Ashtone Morgan, CB - Adam Straith, CB - Kamal Miller, RB - Juan Cordova, CM - Will Johnson, MF - David Wotherspoon, W - Liam Millar, CF - Anthony Jackson-Hamel Not considered: Ballou Tabla and Raheem Edwards (Lack of Playing Time) Not available | INJ: CDM/CM - Stephen Eustaquio *RET = Will retire from the National Team post Gold Cup *C = Named Captain Edited May 23, 2019 by Blackjack15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Picking the final 23 man squad is going to be the most challenging it's been for a very long time. Regardless, some very good and deserving players are going to be left off...progress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikmacdo Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Theres no way m.a.k or david arent starting. I would also take Cordova over godinho who hasn't been playing much. Zgb-henry-Cornelius-kaye Arfield-hutch-david Davies-cav-hoilet apbsmith, Corazon, king1010 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mikmacdo said: Theres no way m.a.k or david arent starting. I would also take Cordova over godinho who hasn't been playing much. Zgb-henry-Cornelius-kaye Arfield-hutch-david Davies-cav-hoilet Completely agree with those points in bold. Corazon and apbsmith 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Mikmacdo said: Theres no way m.a.k or david arent starting. I would also take Cordova over godinho who hasn't been playing much. Zgb-henry-Cornelius-kaye Arfield-hutch-david Davies-cav-hoilet I don't think David will start, for 3 reasons: -can't start too many strikers /attacking mids -need to ensure our maximum quality in midfield is on the pitch -David is not clearly prepared to be pushed into a defensive mode if need be Shway and Blackjack15 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said: I don't think David will start, for 3 reasons: -can't start too many strikers /attacking mids -need to ensure our maximum quality in midfield is on the pitch -David is not clearly prepared to be pushed into a defensive mode if need be What do you base this opinion on? Hasn't David started every match since USVI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) Also, I see people counting out Ballou due to PT. I get it, we have options and we should be calling players based on form. But guys, I really don't see Tabla being left out. He just has too much talent. He's part of the future and Herdman really put in work to convince him to commit. Do you think he's going to turn around and leave him out because he's had a hard time for half a season with a club chasing La Liga promotion? Give me a break. That's not going to happen. The Gold Cup is important, but it's not WCQ. If WC qualifying is on the line, I think Tabla gets dropped. You need fit players who are in form for an all or nothing match. This is not the case. This is a tournament that gives the group it's first chance at real competition. This is about development as much as results. Tabla is part of that group now and in the future. He'll be there. WCQ is what matters. Also, you're kidding yourself if you think Liam Miller won't make it. He'll definitely make the final 23. Edited May 23, 2019 by Obinna spitfire, Kadenge, Corazon and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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