Olympique_de_Marseille Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Just a general update: 1) He is still getting regular playing time, with Fenerbahçe, often as a sub. 2) The Turkish manager Senol Günes indeed spoke with him late last summer:https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/1030474633/ferdi-kadioglu-oranje-gaat-het-lastig-krijgen-tegen-turkije Kadıoğlu declined to file his switch then. 3) Still with The Netherlands U21. They had 3 matches in March: Did not play in the 1st match.https://www.uefa.com/under21/match/2030673--romania-vs-netherlands/ Came on for the injured Noa Lang at the 22nd minute in the 2nd match.https://www.uefa.com/under21/match/2030675--germany-vs-netherlands/ Played 82 minutes in the third match.https://www.uefa.com/under21/match/2030680--netherlands-vs-hungary/ The Netherlands U21 did qualify for the final 4 of the UEFA-U21 in late May / early June. This is great news. This makes it very likely that he will be with the Dutch U21 squad then; he therefore won't get capped for the senior Dutch squad ( or file a one-time-switch for the Turkish squad ) for the senior EUROs. The EUROs start June 11. Squads are due 10 days before that (June 1st); unless Kadıoğlu lights the Turkish League on fire in the next 8 matches at club level, this buys us (and him) a few more months before he has to make a senior team choice. Corazon, johnyb, Obinna and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 My take on him is that he will most likely play for Turkey where his club side is and his family roots are as he is likely not good enough for the Dutch side. That being said, he may not be good enough to be a regular for the Turkish national side either at the moment. If he’s smart, he focuses on his club side for the next year and establishes himself as a regular starter which likely will get him into the Turkish national team picture. O/w he risks switching and not playing, and then he is screwed. I don’t think we really see him in a Canadian shirt unless (1) he doesn’t really develop enough to be a regular with Turkey in the next year and/or (2) we qualify and they don’t for next years World Cup. And at that point, it’s possible that he won’t be good enough for us with the players we have (or are emerging) on the wing. johnyb, lowlander, Dominic94 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM3/MM2/MM Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, An Observer said: My take on him is that he will most likely play for Turkey where his club side is and his family roots are as he is likely not good enough for the Dutch side. That being said, he may not be good enough to be a regular for the Turkish national side either at the moment. If he’s smart, he focuses on his club side for the next year and establishes himself as a regular starter which likely will get him into the Turkish national team picture. O/w he risks switching and not playing, and then he is screwed. I don’t think we really see him in a Canadian shirt unless (1) he doesn’t really develop enough to be a regular with Turkey in the next year and/or (2) we qualify and they don’t for next years World Cup. And at that point, it’s possible that he won’t be good enough for us with the players we have (or are emerging) on the wing. Good Observation, of all of the duals I think he is the least likely to play for Canada. Edited April 10, 2021 by MM3/MM2/MM Dominic94 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 It seems like he’s really stagnated the last year -I’m actually surprised he is still getting calls to the Dutch U21 squad. I would have thought they would have many better options by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM3/MM2/MM Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 On 9/27/2018 at 5:05 PM, toontownman said: Kadioglu, Ferreira, Tomori, Eustaquio and Gutierrez are all players probably still beyond reach but would be huge gets. 3 out of 4 so far, with Kadioglu the only unknown. toontownman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Kadioglu has generally seen his playing time drop as the season has gone on. Today he's getting his first start in the Süper Lig since mid-December and his first start since his February 9th match in the Turkish Cup.https://twitter.com/Fenerbahce/status/1393601003640049664 --- He has been named to the preliminary 31-man Dutch U-21 squad for later this month:https://www.onsoranje.nl/nieuws/jong-oranje/78963/voorlopige-selectie-jong-oranje-knock-outfase-ek For those who want to compare, here is the Dutch 34-man preliminary squad senior for the EUROs:https://www.onsoranje.nl/nieuws/nederlands-elftal/78966/de-boer-maakt-voorlopige-ek-selectie-oranje-bekend (There are obviously a lot of big names in that list) And for those who want to compare, here is the 30-man Turkish senior squad for their training camp before the EUROs:https://www.tff.org/default.aspx?pageID=628&ftxtID=35106 (Obviously plenty of top players in that list as well) --- On his Insta he still only has the Dutch and Turkish flags on his profile. However, he's clearly following the developments of the #CanMNT team; he posted a congratulatory comment on the Insta of former NEC Nijmegen teammate Sturing's post about his #CanMNT debut (and goal). Corazon, johnyb and Norrin Radd 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoH037 Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said: On his Insta he still only has the Dutch and Turkish flags on his profile. However, he's clearly following the developments of the #CanMNT team; he posted a congratulatory comment on the Insta of former NEC Nijmegen teammate Sturing's post about his #CanMNT debut (and goal). or maybe he is just casually congratulating a former teammate... Edited May 15, 2021 by LeoH037 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 (edited) 57 minutes ago, LeoH037 said: or maybe he is just casually congratulating a former teammate... ...on his Canada debut. Maybe "following the developments of the #CanMNT team" is worded too strongly on my part. ----- EDIT: Kadioglu subbed out at the half & Fenerbahçe are still losing. Edited May 15, 2021 by Olympique_de_Marseille Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 (edited) Started and played almost 80 as Netherlands u-21 beat France with a stoppage time goal, 2-1. Euro u21 final tournament, quarter finals. Botman a teammate of David at Lille playing 90 with Ferdi, Lille's Ikone on the rival squad. They play Germany in semis on Thursday. Edited May 31, 2021 by Unnamed Trialist Norrin Radd and johnyb 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 I watched the game....nothing was impressive about him. France looked like Man City, and Netherlands looked like Chelsea - just looking to break on the counter, which they did so perfectly. Unnamed Trialist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, Shway said: I watched the game....nothing was impressive about him... He wasn't rate that highly by this person either: http://www.football-oranje.com/netherlands-u21s-player-ratings-against-france/ ---- With a lack of playing time at club level, there are rumours of a move back to the Netherlands with AZ Alkmar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 How does Ferdi start for the U21 Dutch team? They must have more in form options than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Floortom said: How does Ferdi start for the U21 Dutch team? They must have more in form options than him. They have players who could be with them but are with the first team, perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 12 hours ago, Shway said: I watched the game....nothing was impressive about him. France looked like Man City, and Netherlands looked like Chelsea - just looking to break on the counter, which they did so perfectly. That France team was absolutely stacked. Almost all of their players are starters for top 4/5 leagues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 9 hours ago, Kadenge said: That France team was absolutely stacked. Almost all of their players are starters for top 4/5 leagues and looked like Lille, with Ikone leading the attack.🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackjack15 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Why are we still following this guy? He said he wants to represent Netherlands or Turkey. He doesn't feel a connection to Canada El Hombre, TGAA_Star, Greatest Cockney Rip Off and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 8 hours ago, Blackjack15 said: Why are we still following this guy? He said he wants to represent Netherlands or Turkey. He doesn't feel a connection to Canada Ferdi has the same connection to Canada that most of the players have to Surinam and Jamaica that they have added to their respective rosters. Until he is cap-tied by either of the two nations he "prefers", he remains eligible to play for us. That said, I don't think he is a starter for us now, or potentially in the future, but could be a nice depth add if he wants international football and it doesn't come with Netherlands or Turkey. johnyb, Corazon and An Observer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Marc Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Ivan said: Ferdi has the same connection to Canada that most of the players have to Surinam and Jamaica that they have added to their respective rosters. Big difference between the connection as we judge it and the connection that he personally feels. Totally different from the Suriname guys. Shway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 10 hours ago, Blackjack15 said: Why are we still following this guy? Until he is cap-tied, we follow him! I don't make the rules. NVsoccer, johnyb and dyslexic nam 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 40 minutes ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said: Until he is cap-tied, we follow him! I don't make the rules. You get a like because of my Pokémon collection. Olympique_de_Marseille 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ivan said: Ferdi has the same connection to Canada that most of the players have to Surinam and Jamaica that they have added to their respective rosters. Until he is cap-tied by either of the two nations he "prefers", he remains eligible to play for us. That said, I don't think he is a starter for us now, or potentially in the future, but could be a nice depth add if he wants international football and it doesn't come with Netherlands or Turkey. Maybe I am missing something, and/or taking my assumptions too far, but I really do assume the Dutch and English players, for the most part anyways, have cultural ties to the Netherlands and England respectively. I have not seen anything suggesting Ferdi has any cultural ties to Canada, so I don't see how you are making the comparison, unless you are just speaking about eligibility when you say "same connection". If anything, Ferdi to Turkey is a near-perfect analogy as *insert Dutch player here* to Suriname. The difference of course is the Turk population in the Netherlands grew out of economic migration, while the Suriname population in the Netherlands is more deeply rooted and a relic of the colonial past. Also, Ferdi probably starts against Suriname if he were in our camp today. Edited June 2, 2021 by Obinna Shway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 2 hours ago, The Real Marc said: Big difference between the connection as we judge it and the connection that he personally feels. Totally different from the Suriname guys. What have the Suriname guys personally told you? Ivan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 2 hours ago, The Real Marc said: Big difference between the connection as we judge it and the connection that he personally feels. Totally different from the Suriname guys. With all due respect Marc, how do you know the connection the Suriname guys felt? I would imagine many of them dreamt of playing for Holland, but used Suriname as a international football option when their dreams weren't realised. Again, pure speculation on my part to which I feel your statement is just as much speculation. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 52 minutes ago, Obinna said: Maybe I am missing something, and/or taking my assumptions too far, but I really do assume the Dutch and English players, for the most part anyways, have cultural ties to the Netherlands and England respectively. I have not seen anything suggesting Ferdi has any cultural ties to Canada, so I don't see how you are making the comparison, unless you are just speaking about eligibility when you say "same connection". If anything, Ferdi to Turkey is a near-perfect analogy as *insert Dutch player here* to Suriname. The difference of course is the Turk population in the Netherlands grew out of economic migration, while the Suriname population in the Netherlands is more deeply rooted and a relic of the colonial past. Also, Ferdi probably starts against Suriname if he were in our camp today. On the first bolded statement, yeah possibly (I assume this is where @The Real Marcis going as well above), but really, I was speaking to the same eligibility connection. On the second bolded statement, I say "not a chance". Who do you suggest he replaces? The guy who finished second in scoring in the same league in which he is a part time player? Davies or David? Maybe Cav, although they are different players. Heck, I would say he would have a tough time beating out Buchanon at this point. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 32 minutes ago, Ivan said: On the second bolded statement, I say "not a chance". Who do you suggest he replaces? The guy who finished second in scoring in the same league in which he is a part time player? Davies or David? Maybe Cav, although they are different players. Heck, I would say he would have a tough time beating out Buchanon at this point. I would say he takes up one of the midfield spots in a 3 man midfield, giving us a little more offense from that part of the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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