Gian-Luca Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Obinna said: Yeah. Mexico have brought an A squad. Rumor is that Jamaica is bringing an A squad. Costa Rica and Honduras will probably bring A squads. It's really only the USA treating this as a B tournament. They still have a very solid B team, so it will be interesting to see how this pays off for them. With Jamaica I expected a A squad. They are doing a Surinam-esque recruitment of European players but unlike every other team in the region, they were neither in Nations League nor WCQ so they have had no opportunity to get their new players acclimatized to each other in competitive matches. Mexico on the other hand has called more of a 1st choice squad than I expected and with home field advantage in the US will be difficult to beat Edited June 24, 2021 by Gian-Luca The Real Marc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treppy2 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 8 hours ago, dyslexic nam said: I got into footy a few years after the 86 WC, and watching Hastings banging in the winning goal in the GC final To be pedantic, Hastings actually scored his “golden goal” in the quarterfinals. Canada had to win another two matches to capture the 2000 Gold Cup. But, agreed, it was one of the most iconic moments in our soccer history. Free kick and narduch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Treppy2 said: To be pedantic, Hastings actually scored his “golden goal” in the quarterfinals. Canada had to win another two matches to capture the 2000 Gold Cup. But, agreed, it was one of the most iconic moments in our soccer history. Ha. My bad. My most vivid memory of that tournament is Gerry Dobson yelling “HASTINGS!!!” so it is obviously clouding my memory of events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Alex, Corazon, johnyb and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Free kick said: For some reason I can't remember the semi vs. T+T at all. But I will never forget this game or the final vs. Colombia. Free kick, dyslexic nam and cronaldo7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SthMelbRed Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 15 minutes ago, Free kick said: Who was the guy in the Canada kit getting attacked in the stands after the Corazzin goal at the 2:20 mark? Surely, he must be a V. lamptern and narduch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treppy2 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, narduch said: For some reason I can't remember the semi vs. T+T at all. But I will never forget this game or the final vs. Colombia. Ditto - I can’t remember the semi-final at all, either. But the other two games - well, yeah! narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiedPilko Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, SthMelbRed said: Who was the guy in the Canada kit getting attacked in the stands after the Corazzin goal at the 2:20 mark? Surely, he must be a V. I dunno, but we should make a meme out of it https://imgur.com/a/Pt87uBd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 24 minutes ago, Treppy2 said: Ditto - I can’t remember the semi-final at all, either. But the other two games - well, yeah! I think I remember a lot of those games being at 11pm ET. Maybe I fell asleep for that one. You can find the full match on Youtube. But this is the winning goal by Watson. dyslexic nam, Cheeta and cronaldo7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diego Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 That marking from T&T is insane. Every single player is open. Ruffian and narduch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kent Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 In the knockout rounds in 2000 we played in front of 18,000 fans against Mexico, 2,800 against T&T, and 7,000 against Colombia. This is why I hate the argument that the Gold Cup is always played in the USA because of attendance. It took them a long time to get the kind of following that they have there. It sucks that USA gets infinite patience while no other countries really get a chance (aside from the occasional one off games). narduch, Unnamed Trialist, dyslexic nam and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 1 hour ago, El Diego said: That marking from T&T is insane. Every single player is open. It’s because they were trying to spring the offside trap rather than marking, but Ronald Dwarika had other ideas and single handedly kept 3 Canadian players on side El Diego 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSoccerFan Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Kent said: In the knockout rounds in 2000 we played in front of 18,000 fans against Mexico, 2,800 against T&T, and 7,000 against Colombia. This is why I hate the argument that the Gold Cup is always played in the USA because of attendance. It took them a long time to get the kind of following that they have there. It sucks that USA gets infinite patience while no other countries really get a chance (aside from the occasional one off games). Alternatively they forget the whole concept of a "host". Just let one of the teams play at home each game. narduch and Free kick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Kent said: In the knockout rounds in 2000 we played in front of 18,000 fans against Mexico, 2,800 against T&T, and 7,000 against Colombia. This is why I hate the argument that the Gold Cup is always played in the USA because of attendance. It took them a long time to get the kind of following that they have there. It sucks that USA gets infinite patience while no other countries really get a chance (aside from the occasional one off games). I think this is in the back of Vic's mind and they know they have to find a way to make it happen. Fact is, for a Gold Cup with 16 teams, say four groups, at least 5-6 countries have the stadiums to handle it. Canada could host. Mexico, Costa Rica, Panama, Honduras. Or you could do co-hosts, even Euros were once Austria-Switzerland. For the US, playing at home in a confederation championship, but where for FIFA rankings it is like they are on neutral ground, is a huge advantage. Just look at their WC qualifying results away from home. They play every two years for maximum FIFA points at home, everyone else away, but the venue is considered neutral. BS. And don't tell me that Mexico gets good crowds in LA--Mexico results in Mexico are far better than in the US in front of expats. If the US had the GC only one of three times (like Canada with the world hockey, for example), their FIFA ranking would drop by at least 10 spots and they would not be getting these artificially favourable seedings all the time. Edited June 25, 2021 by Unnamed Trialist dyslexic nam, Kent, The Real Marc and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 4 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said: I think this is in the back of Vic's mind and they know they have to find a way to make it happen. Fact is, for a Gold Cup with 16 teams, say four groups, at least 5-6 countries have the stadiums to handle it. Canada could host. Mexico, Costa Rica, Panama, Honduras. Or you could do co-hosts, even Euros were once Austria-Switzerland. For the US, playing at home in a confederation championship, but where for FIFA rankings it is like they are on neutral ground, is a huge advantage. Just look at their WC qualifying results away from home. They play every two years for maximum FIFA points at home, everyone else away, but the venue is considered neutral. BS. And don't tell me that Mexico gets good crowds in LA--Mexico results in Mexico are far better than in the US in front of expats. If the US had the GC only one of three times (like Canada with the world hockey, for example), their FIFA ranking would drop by at least 10 spots and they would not be getting these artificially favourable seedings all the time. Agreed! Just look at Mexico's results the 2 tournaments that they got to host their own games in Mexico. 1993 Mexico 9 Martinique 0 Mexico 1 Costa Rica 1 Mexico 8 Some northern country 0 Mexico 6 Jamaica 1 Mexico 4 USA 0 2003 Mexico 1 Brazil 0 Mexico 0 Honduras 0 Mexico 5 Jamaica 0 Mexico 2 Costa rica 0 Mexico 1 Brazil 0 That's 8 wins, 2 draws, 0 losses, with 37 goals for and 2 goals against. And notice that the 2 draws were against Central American teams. The Central American teams would likely fare a lot better against the USA (and Canada) if the entire tournament was held in Mexico (or of course in Central America). That 4-0 win against the USA in the 1993 final is the ONLY game the USA has ever played in the Gold Cup away from home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 An argument could be made that holding the Gold Cup in the US all the time may explain why they have trouble away from home in CONCACAF. Perfect stadiums, no general safety or overnight noise concerns, docile crowds for the most part and playing friendlies against European teams don’t help them acclimatize to away matches. Free kick, Kent and narduch 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, JamboAl said: An argument could be made that holding the Gold Cup in the US all the time may explain why they have trouble away from home in CONCACAF. Perfect stadiums, no general safety or overnight noise concerns, docile crowds for the most part and playing friendlies against European teams don’t help them acclimatize to away matches. The US was eliminated from the WC away to a T&T B team in Fall 2017. All they needed was a draw. It is not even the hardest of places to play in Concacaf, it is probably amongst the easier spots. That kind of fiasco they can experience easily away, they are fragile, much more so than at home. In that HEX, the US only won three matches, at home vs. Panama, Trinidad and Honduras. Away in 5 matches they drew Mexico (good result), Panama and Honduras, lost the rest. 12 points from 10 games. That very Fall T&T courts ruled against Jack Warner's appeal, who was trying to block extradition to the US to be tried for corruption, and why do I say this? Even their federation was in one of its worst moments after Warner's corrupt years as head of the Confederation, and you would not have been surprised by a reffing job biased against the locals, or some favoritism to the US. Not even that, having T&T with its tail between its legs and humilliated by its former leader was not enough to give the US an advantage. That does not mean we should not be getting better results away ourselves, or that we should be missing a semi final in a GC, with the FIFA points that entails, by blowing a lead to Haiti. Edited June 25, 2021 by Unnamed Trialist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 13 hours ago, Free kick said: Martin Nash - Most underrated Canadian soccer player ever. Obinna, Free kick, Ivan and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pottsy3 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, El Hombre said: Martin Nash - Most underrated Canadian soccer player ever. I feel like if the CPL was established 15-20 years earlier, Martin Nash would've been a star in that league. Corazon, Ruffian and Obinna 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplebanana Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 11 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said: I think this is in the back of Vic's mind and they know they have to find a way to make it happen. Fact is, for a Gold Cup with 16 teams, say four groups, at least 5-6 countries have the stadiums to handle it. Canada could host. Mexico, Costa Rica, Panama, Honduras. Or you could do co-hosts, even Euros were once Austria-Switzerland. For the US, playing at home in a confederation championship, but where for FIFA rankings it is like they are on neutral ground, is a huge advantage. Just look at their WC qualifying results away from home. They play every two years for maximum FIFA points at home, everyone else away, but the venue is considered neutral. BS. And don't tell me that Mexico gets good crowds in LA--Mexico results in Mexico are far better than in the US in front of expats. If the US had the GC only one of three times (like Canada with the world hockey, for example), their FIFA ranking would drop by at least 10 spots and they would not be getting these artificially favourable seedings all the time. Agreed with your point in general about fairness. But FIFA rankings points no longer take into account who's at home, who's away, or even goal difference. Just rank, win/loss/draw, and weighting factors for importance (friendly vs WCQ vs continental championship). Unnamed Trialist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Marc Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 5 hours ago, Pottsy3 said: I feel like if the CPL was established 15-20 years earlier, Martin Nash would've been a star in that league. Yeah but right now that’s not saying much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 3 hours ago, maplebanana said: Agreed with your point in general about fairness. But FIFA rankings points no longer take into account who's at home, who's away, or even goal difference. Just rank, win/loss/draw, and weighting factors for importance (friendly vs WCQ vs continental championship). Really? Home or away does not matter? Had no idea. In any case, the US gets the neutral points at home and the rest get neutral points away for GC. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 9 hours ago, Pottsy3 said: I feel like if the CPL was established 15-20 years earlier, Martin Nash would've been a star in that league. I'm not sure where you live but that's basically what he was. Was the face of Caps A league team. Wasn't underrated out here, if I recall correctly a lot of the hardcores thought he was overrated a bit by the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplebanana Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Unnamed Trialist said: Really? Home or away does not matter? Had no idea. In any case, the US gets the neutral points at home and the rest get neutral points away for GC. Yup. Ever since they changed the way the rankings were calculated, no home/away, goal differential, or confederation weighting considerations anymore. The rankings are kind of messed up. If San Marino goes to Wembley and beats England 5-0 in WCQ, they would get 24.2 pts which would take their ranking from #210 (dead last) to #207, solidly behind Turks and Caicos at #206. If they win the home leg again against England 10-0 (or 1-0), they would vault all the way to #204. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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