SthMelbRed Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gian-Luca said: Some shocking defending there by Monaco on Lille's 2nd. You continued watching after David was subbed? 🤔 narduch, Olympique_de_Marseille, Kyle_The_Hill and 10 others 4 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lansdude Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Yazici is too talented and has to be kept on the boil. Someone had to come off for him. Cblake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoH037 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Just now, narduch said: The game on Thursday is meaningless Maybe to us, but not to the players/coaches and Lille supporters who likely want to see the team finish on top of the group. Only a point separates them from Milan, who play Prague Obinna and Cblake 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, narduch said: The game on Thursday is meaningless For qualifying, not for seeding in the round of 32 Ruffian, johnyb, narduch and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 They probably don't care about the seeding that much. If this score holds they are valid title contenders in Ligue 1. They will rest a lot of players in order to be fresh for the next leauge match. Cblake and dyslexic nam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoH037 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 FFS though, on David's goal.. Ikone had Yilmaz and David both free (There was a time interval when he could have seen the defenders moving away from Yilmaz, who seems to be yelling for the ball, and had time to make the pass)… but the man's first instinct is to keep dribbling into a wall of defenders and hope for the best 🤣 TOcanadafan, Cblake, Nate3322 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfque8 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Video of the goal for anyone that didn't catch it live: narduch, WyattTaylor, Watchmen and 10 others 7 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lansdude Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Yeah, they have two games a week until the 23rd including a crucial match against PSG in two weeks. The league has to be their priority right now. I would think they field a weaker lineup against Celtic. narduch and Cblake 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 1 hour ago, LeoH037 said: FFS though, on David's goal.. Ikone had Yilmaz and David both free (There was a time interval when he could have seen the defenders moving away from Yilmaz, who seems to be yelling for the ball, and had time to make the pass)… but the man's first instinct is to keep dribbling into a wall of defenders and hope for the best 🤣 At least he is consistent. He dribbled into traffic and lost possession a number of times when there were clearly better passing options. It is like he is wearing blinders. TOcanadafan, gator, LeoH037 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoH037 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 44 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said: At least he is consistent. He dribbled into traffic and lost possession a number of times when there were clearly better passing options. It is like he is wearing blinders. I used to get frustrated and think he was just a selfish player... but I think it goes deeper than that.. genuinely curious what goes on through the guy's head in those moments. Cblake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, LeoH037 said: I used to get frustrated and think he was just a selfish player... but I think it goes deeper than that.. genuinely curious what goes on through the guy's head in those moments. Cblake and LeoH037 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowcrash Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 1 hour ago, dyslexic nam said: At least he is consistent. He dribbled into traffic and lost possession a number of times when there were clearly better passing options. It is like he is wearing blinders. If you watch goal, four defenders start converging on Ikone on top of the box when he gets the ball. From the scouting reports, they know he isn't giving up the ball no matter what. David was just the lucky recipient of a botched shot attempt out of a low margin play. johnyb, Dominic94 and Cblake 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 I cut out at the half, went to the gym. For me the highlight was me running suicide drills. Still think at my age it was better than David's goal. Seriously, that first half stunk, there is no point. The French commentator on my Spanish broadcast said that Bamba is the player in Ligue 1 who spends most time dribbling. Not Neymar, not a talented creative mid. Bamba. Ridiculous. Cblake and narduch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 1 hour ago, dyslexic nam said: At least he is consistent. He dribbled into traffic and lost possession a number of times when there were clearly better passing options. It is like he is wearing blinders. I used to think the same about Giovinco...sometimes the blinders are on and over and over they ignore team mates thinking their dribbling skill is the best option. Juts way too confident. And that definately wasnt a pass, but a flubbed shot. Cblake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Bison44 said: ... And that definately wasnt a pass, but a flubbed shot. Sooooo... a text-book Ikone assist then? Was going to watch the match this evening. May just have been talked out of it after reading a few of the posts here. Nate3322 and Cblake 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowcrash Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 22 minutes ago, Cheeta said: Sooooo... a text-book Ikone assist then? Was going to watch the match this evening. May just have been talked out of it after reading a few of the posts here. You might watch it to appreciate how good Yilmaz is. He's 35 and and Lille is the first club he's been on that's outside of Turkey. Can't believe he hasn't played in a better league. JuicyHam, Cblake, JamboAl and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoH037 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 6 hours ago, Snowcrash said: If you watch goal, four defenders start converging on Ikone on top of the box when he gets the ball. From the scouting reports, they know he isn't giving up the ball no matter what. David was just the lucky recipient of a botched shot attempt out of a low margin play. it would have been a shame had David not finished that, given how he did all the work in midfield to start the counter attack. I honestly don't get how the coaching staff continue to witness Ikone/Bamba continually put out play after play not shake their heads. Cblake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 6 hours ago, Snowcrash said: You might watch it to appreciate how good Yilmaz is. He's 35 and and Lille is the first club he's been on that's outside of Turkey. Can't believe he hasn't played in a better league. You know who would know about Yilmaz? Atiba. Played with him the last couple of seasons. I suspect the money in Turkey amongst the traditional big three Istanbul clubs isn't horrible. Cblake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradMack Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 We're all really focused on the big picture, but I feel like we should take a second to say how cool it is David just scored an important goal against a club as big as AS Monaco... We're pretty spoiled with Davies and maybe forgetting that 3/4 years ago this would've been like the biggest news. cronaldo7, Corazon, Jith12 and 6 others 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 13 hours ago, Snowcrash said: You might watch it to appreciate how good Yilmaz is. He's 35 and and Lille is the first club he's been on that's outside of Turkey. Can't believe he hasn't played in a better league. I think he is like the striker David had success with last year - DePoitre. Smart and aware, can be physical if he needs to, and can finish. Just really lacking the baseline pace for the top 4 leagues. Cblake and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diego Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Tangible results for David in the last two matches -- a goal, a drawn red card (drew both yellows), and a secondary assist (everyone on twitter is starting to call these "pre-assists" which makes me cringe for some reason). And yet, I don't think he played very well. His first touch has been very poor the last two matches. Still, it is good to see him having a positive impact in matches even if not everything is coming off. His smart running, drawing of fouls, and defensive work makes him useful even if he isn't scoring (though hopefully he does start scoring more!). It is encouraging that Galtier thinks he and Yilmaz can play together. I think this would be his preferred strike force. Not sure where this would leave Yazici. Yilmaz likely needs heavy rotation due to age, and I think Yazici did play on the right before earlier in the season. It's plausible that Lille were expecting Ikone to be sold -- they have Araujo, Lihadji, and Yazici who can play there. Cblake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lansdude Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 10 hours ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: I think he is like the striker David had success with last year - DePoitre. Smart and aware, can be physical if he needs to, and can finish. Just really lacking the baseline pace for the top 4 leagues. Really? He looked old so I looked up his age and was surprised at his age and with that body type he was as quick as he was. I didn't think he was slow. Obinna and Cblake 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Lansdude said: Really? He looked old so I looked up his age and was surprised at his age and with that body type he was as quick as he was. I didn't think he was slow. Maybe he meant DePoitre? He doesn't really have much pace and didn't score much in the English Premier League, hence his comment about not having the baseline pace for the top 4 leagues? I agree that Yilmaz has pretty decent pace for a 35 year old. I watched that counter on the second goal multiple times to see how his speed was. Cblake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lansdude said: Really? He looked old so I looked up his age and was surprised at his age and with that body type he was as quick as he was. I didn't think he was slow. About opinions I guess. For me, you don't need to be slow to not have enough pace for some situations. DePoitre's pace did not look out of place in Belgium, it did in the Premier League. Yilmaz looks similar to me, decent pace for France but not his best quality. (For reference and possibly working against my grouping the top 4 leagues together, Pablo Fornals spoke explicitly of the pace difference in the Premier League after 120+ appearances in LaLiga and almost 20 in the Europa League. At that level, different leagues have their styles, the Premier League can often not be as technical as some of the other top ones.) On the topic, David's pace is still deceptively high but feels like it dropped slightly from last year. Whether that is just better opposition or he has been asked to bulk up, not sure yet - honestly. Edited December 7, 2020 by WestHamCanadianinOxford Obinna and Cblake 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer21 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 17 hours ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: About opinions I guess. For me, you don't need to be slow to not have enough pace for some situations. DePoitre's pace did not look out of place in Belgium, it did in the Premier League. Yilmaz looks similar to me, decent pace for France but not his best quality. (For reference and possibly working against my grouping the top 4 leagues together, Pablo Fornals spoke explicitly of the pace difference in the Premier League after 120+ appearances in LaLiga and almost 20 in the Europa League. At that level, different leagues have their styles, the Premier League can often not be as technical as some of the other top ones.) On the topic, David's pace is still deceptively high but feels like it dropped slightly from last year. Whether that is just better opposition or he has been asked to bulk up, not sure yet - honestly. Yilmaz has 80 pace in FIFA 21 and Depoitre has 56 pace. As we all know, FIFA’s ratings are perfect so in conclusion, Yilmaz has good enough pace. For comparison, Jonathan David has 85 pace, Aguero 78, Kane 68, Raul Jimenez 78, Lacazette 76. Cblake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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