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Shame on all of you who feel that Christine Sinclair needs to prove that she is worthy of coaching the CWNT. This woman was chosen to carry Canada's flag at the closing ceremony of the London Olympics (an honour neither Herdman or Heiner-Moller will ever experience). Christine Sinclair has also been recognized with the order of Canada (again an honour neither Herdman or Heiner-Moller will ever experience). Soon she will be the highest international goal scorer of all-time, male or female. What is the CSA or Portland going to teach her that she doesn't know already. Why do you think that she has been acknowledged with all these accolades?

 

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1 hour ago, Binky said:

Shame on all of you who feel that Christine Sinclair needs to prove that she is worthy of coaching the CWNT. This woman was chosen to carry Canada's flag at the closing ceremony of the London Olympics (an honour neither Herdman or Heiner-Moller will ever experience). Christine Sinclair has also been recognized with the order of Canada (again an honour neither Herdman or Heiner-Moller will ever experience). Soon she will be the highest international goal scorer of all-time, male or female. What is the CSA or Portland going to teach her that she doesn't know already. Why do you think that she has been acknowledged with all these accolades?

 

There is no fight here.

If she can coach, and more to the point, wants to coach, fantastic.  However, you just can't snap your fingers and make it happen. 

I think she will be involved in the game going forward, I hope she wants to be as it seems not enough players remain involved in the game at all and we need more of them to do so.

No one thinks she needs to 'prove she is worthy' or doubts her commitment to soccer in this country.  You are asking for her to be the coach. We are only saying she should work on being a coach first to get there.  

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Binky said:

Please reread your words carefully and try to imagine how a woman would feel and react to them?

This post is further derailing and already absurd thread but:

-You don't need ovaries to coach women and you don't need testicle to coach men. 

-Unfortunately, there are still not enough women being given the respect and the opportunities they deserve to coach both men's and women's teams. That is slowly changing, but not fast enough.

-Rhian Wilkinson, who actually has coaching experience, would likely do a better job. Sinclair is a great player, maybe the greatest player; that does not signify that she would be a great coach.

 

Edited by Olympique_de_Marseille

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16 minutes ago, Blackdude said:

I remember how great Wanye Gretzky was as a coach.

And I remember how great Emmanuel Sanon was as a coach. Can't wait to see Haiti get slaughtered on Tuesday.

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2 hours ago, Lofty said:

I will be really disappointed if Sinclair retires while she is still one of Canada's best eleven.

She is done as a forward. She was never fast but even the little speed she had is gone. But she is still a fantastic footballer, a cut above, and could still be outstanding in midfield, partnering Jesse Fleming; and her leadership out there makes everybody better. All she needs is a coach who will imbue her with the confidence to grab that ball and put it on the penalty spot when circumstances demand it.

No one ever became a less effective footballer because of age. Age is just the thing that is closely correlated with reduced speed and stamina. But let's not make the call based solely on age.

 

Seeing the way you answered my question, I suppose that there is a duality to "When will it happen?"

There is the when will Christine retire? And there is also the when will Christine break the goal scoring record? And maybe the two questions add up to one and the same?

From a retirement point of view, I would say that she has one year left at an international level, at best. There were numerous occasions during the recently completed World Cup, where she looked absolutely gassed. I know what that's like. At 63 years of age, I long ago recognized that there is no way I can keep up with an 18 or 19 year old. However, being as physically fit as Christine is, and the fact that Canada has never in her lifetime produced another player anywhere near her caliber, she can probably hold down a place for another year with the Tokyo Olympics looming on the horizon, from July 22 to August 8, 2020. After all, the Olympics are the stage where she has enjoyed her greatest moments, and a 12 team tournament seems to be the best suited for a 37 years veteran. Sticking around beyond that, say for the next World Cup in 2023, at the ripe old age of 40, would seem unrealistic and be a really sad reflection of how shallow the Canadian women's talent pool is at.

However, how would you rate Canada's chances of qualifying for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics? With 5 of the 12 spots already claimed, and only 2 spots allotted to CONCACAF, it would be difficult to picture the United States not qualifying. Therefore, is the CNWT the next best in CONCACAF right now? Canada has fallen to 7th place in the July 12, 2019 FIFA/Coca-Cola rankings.

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USA
USA
2180 2101 0  
7 1976 2006 -2  
27 1699 1700 -1  
37 1630 1630 -1  
51 1453 1449 2  
56 1429 1433 0  
Means of qualification Ref. Dates2 Venue2 Berths Qualified
Host country   7 September 2013 N/A 1 23px-Flag_of_Japan.svg.png Japan
2018 Copa América [12] 4–22 April 2018 23px-Flag_of_Chile.svg.png Chile 1 22px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.png Brazil
2018 OFC Nations Cup [13] 18 November – 1 December 2018 New Caledonia New Caledonia 1 23px-Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg.png New Zealand
2019 FIFA Women's World Cup
(As UEFA qualifying)
  7 June – 7 July 2019 23px-Flag_of_France.svg.png France 3 23px-Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg.png Great Britain
23px-Flag_of_the_Netherlands.svg.png Netherlands
23px-Flag_of_Sweden.svg.png Sweden
2020 CAF Olympic Qualifying Tournament [14] 13 January – 9 February 2020 Various 1 TBD
2020 CONCACAF Olympic Qualifying Championship   February 2020 TBD 2 TBD
2020 AFC Olympic Qualifying Tournament [15] 2–11 March 2020 Various 2 TBD
CAF–CONMEBOL play-off   2020 (TBD) TBD 1 TBD
Total     12  

 

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You make up your team with the best that you have.  As long as replacing Sinclair with another player makes the team worse, she should stay on the roster.  I don't care about how she has fallen off with the years; she's not in competition with her past self.  She's in competition with our other players, and so far I don't see a lot of them that could replace her and make the team better (and that includes leadership along with playmaking and scoring skills).

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22 minutes ago, rkomar said:

You make up your team with the best that you have.  As long as replacing Sinclair with another player makes the team worse, she should stay on the roster.  I don't care about how she has fallen off with the years; she's not in competition with her past self.  She's in competition with our other players, and so far I don't see a lot of them that could replace her and make the team better (and that includes leadership along with playmaking and scoring skills).

Of course, you're raising a highly subjective point. How do you determine whether or not a player's contributions are making the team better or worse? To answer that question you need to define Christine Sinclair's role on the team. Are you going to field a 60-year old because she still exhibits better leadership qualities than anybody else? Is Christine Sinclair's play-making ability or scoring touch better than anyone else avaible for the CWNT? If you consider the following World Cup records, then Christine Sinclair's ship has long since sailed:

Oldest goalscorer
37 years, 98 days: Formiga (22px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.png Brazil), vs South Korea, 9 June 2015.
Oldest hat-trick scorer
34 years, 25 days: Christiane (22px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.png Brazil), vs Jamaica, 9 June 2019.
Oldest goalscorer, final
34 years, 2 days: Megan Rapino (23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States), vs the Netherlans, 7 July 2019.

Quite possibly, the CONCACAF Olympic qualifying tournament will end-up representing Christine Sinclair's final competitive internationals, if Canada fails to qualify for Tokyo 2020. (Now there's a sobering thought, eh?)

I truly hope that Christine Sinclair's legacy will not turn out to be: The Ghost of Christine Sinclair!

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Sinclair and the A&W man are on a commercial again for the Teen Burger.  

It's August 22nd this year where proceeds from buying them go to finding a cure for MS.  

I tried to find it on YouTube and they were last year's commercial (August 16th was the day).  

Looks like it was just outtakes and repeats because some of the 'people in the park' and dialogue are the same.  

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She has been named Canada Soccer Player of the Decade.

Christine Sinclair has been named the Canada Soccer Player of the Decade after an unparalleled 10 years of world-class performances in which she continued to build a legacy as of one of Canada’s greatest athletes of all time. A Concacaf champion in 2010 and back-to-back Olympic medal winner from London 2012 and Rio 2016, she was the 2012 Lou Marsh Trophy and Bobbie Rosenfeld Award winner, the 2011 WPS Championship MVP, and seven-time Canada Soccer Canadian Player of the Year.

 

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Posted (edited)

This might be the perfect time for the CSA to appoint Christine Sinclair as a player/head coach of the Canadian Women's National Team on an interim basis, a tactic frequently employed by the CSA in the past. Who knows the current squad and Canadian talent pool better than CS? Who has more experience at the Women's World Cup and Olympic tournaments than CS? The Olympics have been the scene of Christine's greatest on field accomplishments, therefore, why risk going with to Tokyo with someone who is unfamiliar with the program on short notice? If Canada does well at the Olympics, CS can remain on a permanent basis, if not no harm done. Hopefully the CSA has enough brains to see that this is a no-brainer.

Edited by Peggy

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There's no way Sinclair can or should just waltz in to the top job.  Just for starters, does she have any of the required licences to coach at that level?  Is she even interested in coaching?  But that aside, coaching is not playing and there have been very few players who have successfully transitioned immediately to high level coaching let alone coaching a top 10 national team.  Sinclair is special but she still needs to put some time in learning the trade.  Gretzky was a great player, not so much a coach.  And finally, our women deserve the best coach available, and I don't think that's Christine Sinclair... yet.

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For someone who bitches about the CSA non stop you are not trying very hard to help them.  How did the former player/interm coaching go for the mens side?  Havnt you railed about the poor coaching decisions the mens side has endured over the years??  If SInclair wants to be a coach (has she even said that?) then I am sure she'll put in the work and be a good one, but you just dont hand the keys over to the program because you can put the ball in the net.  The team deserves a real coach with experience to get them another medal.  

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There's way more to coaching the national squad than pep talks and selecting tactics during a game.  There's so much administrative work between the games.  Hiring, firing, budgets, scouting,...  You need to work your way up into such a position.

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To all the replies above; name one person who knows more about the Canadian women's program than CS? Better yet, name one person that players know and respect as much as CS? Also, with the Tokyo Olympics scheduled to start on July 23, 2021, how successful could a new coach be in implementing her/his system in less than a year after KHM's departure in August?

As far as the CSA's track record when it comes to hiring interim coaches is concerned, I remember a few year's back when our national association called Nick Dasovic, who was working on his garage roof when the phone rang, and offered him an interim coaching job two weeks before the start of a World Cup Final competition!

I'm just trying to help the CSA out here as best I can, even though a few words of help coming from me will never be received in the light they were intended. Anyhow, it will be interesting to see how the CSA responds to the situation, especially considering the fact that the CWNT is the only Canadian team ever to medal in back-to-back summer Olympics? 

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Lenarduzzi, Miller, Mitchell, all 3 guys who knew the CDN program, and had some coaching experience and none of them very successful with Canada.  And I am sure you complained loudly about it.  Its disingenuous to ***** when the men do it but think its great for the womens side.  Take the summer and find a good professional coach.  Let Christine play she'll have time tor coaching later. 

And werent you the guy whining about coaches having all the proper coaching licenses etc??  Shitting on Herdman for not having the proper license...does Sinclair have any??  Your rap about helping the CSA is so very thin, usually you are wanting to get paid for any bright ideas you might give.  Go back to posting your nonsense with your other account.  

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This article is kind of related to this thread topic.

https://canpl.ca/video/canpl-ca-debate-which-canwnt-player-will-be-the-most-important-for-the-new-era

I'm surprised Kadeisha Buchanon didn't get mentioned. All three women that were picked are deserving, but I'm still surprised there wasn't at the very least an honourable mention for Buchanon. Maybe it's just a matter of people taking her for granted at this point, or not prioritizing defense. If I had to pick a top 3 I would probably drop Fleming, and have mine be Buchanon, Lawrence, Huitema, in that order.

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1 hour ago, Kent said:

This article is kind of related to this thread topic.

https://canpl.ca/video/canpl-ca-debate-which-canwnt-player-will-be-the-most-important-for-the-new-era

I'm surprised Kadeisha Buchanon didn't get mentioned. All three women that were picked are deserving, but I'm still surprised there wasn't at the very least an honourable mention for Buchanon. Maybe it's just a matter of people taking her for granted at this point, or not prioritizing defense. If I had to pick a top 3 I would probably drop Fleming, and have mine be Buchanon, Lawrence, Huitema, in that order.

Centre backs aren't scoring goals. Sure she's important at the back, but if you can't score or create something how do you beat top teams?

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As long as she has the fire in her belly, and there is no other player that improves the team more than she does, then she should stay.  We've seen the team play without her, and it's not very inspiring.  I wouldn't mind seeing her pushed off the team by superior players, but the latter haven't shown up yet.  I don't blame her for still playing, I don't blame the coaches for playing her, I blame the millions of soccer playing women in this country who can't find what it takes to beat out a 37 year old player.

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1 hour ago, rkomar said:

I blame the millions of soccer playing women in this country who can't find what it takes to beat out a 37 year old player.

There wouldn't be that many playing, perhaps about 400k by registrations. And only a percentage of that would be strikers. But your statement still stands on it's own.

Anyone care to fathom a guess at how much funding Christine Sinclair has received from Canada over the past 20 years?

Now how about the rest of the women in this country? I seem to remember the "wish sandwich" in the Blues Brothers... two slices of bread and you wish you had something to go in-between.

Pretty much every other country in the world you have an elite women's club system that produces annual crops and rotations of players. They have great programs and professionalism (read: attitude and approach) and facilities. They take it very seriously. Build it and they will come, and they did.

Some like the Scandinavians did it 40 years ago. But this true north social democracy is still waiting for the right moment. Perhaps on the centenary of the Northern Europeans doing it, only 100 years of caution is probably politically correct enough considering we're a leading country in women's rights. 

Long story short: when you live in a country where the highest opportunity and level of club play is beer league amateur, putting their lack of world class standard on the players is perhaps a bit misdirected.

Edited by _Vic_
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