Ansem Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Molinaro on the Jeff Blair show: http://www.sportsnet.ca/590/jeff-blair-show/zambranos-style-possibility-losing-herdman-pushed-canada-soccer-make-changes/ Some players complained too it seems A must listen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 14 minutes ago, Jahinho Guerro said: You would have to admit you are naive if you think the CWN team situation was the same as the CMNT. There's no other way to put it. Uhhhh... FYR pointed out that the WNT situation at the top and moving from 12 to 4 is much different than the MNT situation at the bottom moving from 120 to 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 25 minutes ago, Ansem said: Molinaro on the Jeff Blair show: http://www.sportsnet.ca/590/jeff-blair-show/zambranos-style-possibility-losing-herdman-pushed-canada-soccer-make-changes/ Some players complained too it seems A must listen He said he spoke to one player who had an issue w training sessions and then went on to state clearly that the real issue behind the change was not with Zambrano but with Herdman forcing the move by threatening to walk away. Wow. CSA. Total amateurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, BrennanFan said: He said he spoke to one player who had an issue w training sessions and then went on to state clearly that the real issue behind the change was not with Zambrano but with Herdman forcing the move by threatening to walk away. Wow. CSA. Total amateurs. It was also said that Zambrano clashes with the CSA because he was not exactly politically correct. Interesting.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Obinna said: It was also said that Zambrano clashes with the CSA because he was not exactly politically correct. Interesting.... any word about what the clashes were? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 28 minutes ago, ray said: John Herdman would not get a cup of tea with most men's professional teams, let alone the a full MNT. That he is so valued by the CSA as a technical director and coach for the men is scary. Given that the men's program is in desperate need of success, their judgement is highly questionable. He's obviously done a reasonable job with the CWNT, but a different group dynamic and mentality is involved with a men's team so it won't be an easy adjustment for him and given he has not played at much higher than glorified pub team level and even then not for all that long at least some of his players are almost certainly going to be seriously questioning his qualifications to be coaching them. A couple of bad results at the beginning and this could start to unravel very quickly. Marc dos Santos has had the kind of career trajectory that makes more sense for someone that had a less than stellar playing career to eventually take the CMNT job, which kind of begs the question why he wouldn't be considered instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnyb Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 14 hours ago, Ansem said: Worst-kept secret in Canadian soccer: Zambrano was on hot seat from day one https://the11.ca/worst-kept-secret-in-canadian-soccer-zambrano-was-on-hot-seat-from-day-one/ Who came up with the Title for this piece? Worst kept secret, WTF?! Why are we all so blindsided by this then. If it was really that well known to everybody, why wasn't something written about it earlier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruud Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Obinna said: It was also said that Zambrano clashes with the CSA because he was not exactly politically correct. Interesting.... Training sessions? What player wouldn't have problems with someone's sessions - either too hard or too easy...who the hell knows? Plus don't trainings have a lot to do with Assistant coaches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 this thread is exhausting and this story is stupid. let's talk about something else.............how about that radiohead vs. lana del rey thing? pretty stupid too. not as stupid as this story but pretty stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said: He's obviously done a reasonable job with the CWNT, but a different group dynamic and mentality is involved with a men's team so it won't be an easy adjustment for him and given he has not played at much higher than glorified pub team level and even then not for all that long at least some of his players are almost certainly going to be seriously questioning his qualifications to be coaching them. A couple of bad results at the beginning and this could start to unravel very quickly. That's my fear as well though to be fair to Herdman, according to the John Molinaro piece, Herdman is completely aware of this and expecting it - it seems like he understands that it's not even a question of him losing the room, he understands that in some cases he is going to have to gain it to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, johnyb said: Who came up with the Title for this piece? Worst kept secret, WTF?! Why are we all so blindsided by this then. If it was really that well known to everybody, why wasn't something written about it earlier? This whole episode basically tells us that the bloggers and podcasters that follow Canadian soccer don't like to rock the boat and will often only report what they think the CSA (or CanPL for that matter) wants us to hear so they can keep getting access. That makes them an extension of the old boys network culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bob Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 14 minutes ago, Obinna said: It was also said that Zambrano clashes with the CSA because he was not exactly politically correct. Interesting.... so-cuck-er canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 26 minutes ago, BrennanFan said: He said he spoke to one player who had an issue w training sessions He said "he was talking to some of the players including 1 yesterday", so more than one (0:55) 26 minutes ago, BrennanFan said: then went on to state clearly that the real issue behind the change was not with Zambrano but with Herdman forcing the move by threatening to walk away. It was still "part of the story". Both factors contributed to last night events. Herdman leaving had a bigger factor than just Zambrano, doesn't make the issues with the coach any less real from the CSA perspective Also, Herdman "forcing" the issue was just him saying he had other offers, not blackmailing...lots of comments here implies that and that's just not how it works. He's not our property after all. There's no "threat" telling your employer you received better offers. Can we stop deforming what's being said? Blair also pointed out that Herdman made his ambitions clear as early as 2013. (3:30) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince193 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I don't think Herdman is going to have the trust of many of the players. I also think this hurts us with fence sitters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 17 minutes ago, Obinna said: It was also said that Zambrano clashes with the CSA because he was not exactly politically correct. Interesting.... Not a lot of employers/management would put up with it either... unless your name is Mourinho :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcalibre Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 The CSA never seems to waste an opportunity to promote-from-within. Remember Dale Mitchell humiliating our U20 program in 2007 but getting the senior gig, because we all knew it was written from the start? Can only assume they had similar long-term plans for Herdman and he forced their hand. How on earth does Marc dos Santos not even get a call?? After some initial enthusiasm with the direction of the CSA I'm starting to feel like it's 2001 again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 18 minutes ago, Ruud said: Training sessions? What player wouldn't have problems with someone's sessions - either too hard or too easy...who the hell knows? Plus don't trainings have a lot to do with Assistant coaches? Was probably akindele lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruud Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, Ansem said: Not a lot of employers/management would put up with it either... unless your name is Mourinho :-) politically correct - such a loaded term - ruffling feathers with provinces, TDs etc. Honestly, there are plenty of reasons to hear that these staff can't work with this guy.... However, again, this has little or nothing to do with the players or results on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 21 minutes ago, Ruud said: Training sessions? What player wouldn't have problems with someone's sessions - either too hard or too easy...who the hell knows? Plus don't trainings have a lot to do with Assistant coaches? I believe managers would be the ones creating a training plan and the assistants would be the ones executing them. In terms of problems, it could be the players didn't feel what they were working on was effective or the right direction, could be the pace, guidance or intensity was not what was thought to be appropriate, could be too short, not enough... There's many factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolynduthie Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, BrennanFan said: Prediction: Herdman will go with a very young team, as those are the only players that will respect him. He will also hand out many new first caps for the same reason. He will say hes building a team for the future, and will use their youth to insulate himself from poor results. I mean he did this with the women's roster after half of 2015 retired and they beat Germany for the first time ever at the Olympics and then won a bronze medal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 via Imgflip Meme Generator the situation in a nutshell. The CSA is acting like they had to act to save us meanwhile we watch Floro do his best seinfed mechanic impression for 3 years and it’s fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreadBoy Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Does CSA have a technical director? i wonder if this could be Herdman goes in for a few years on the men‘s side and then gets bumped up to TD for CSA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, carolynduthie said: I mean he did this with the women's roster after half of 2015 retired and they beat Germany for the first time ever at the Olympics and then won a bronze medal. I see guys like Hutchinson, Arfield and Hoilett passing on caps until Herdman proves himself. The mens pool is not as easily replaced by teens and NCAA players as is the womens side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopherbashi Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 34 minutes ago, matty said: this thread is exhausting and this story is stupid. let's talk about something else.............how about that radiohead vs. lana del rey thing? pretty stupid too. not as stupid as this story but pretty stupid How dare we discuss Zambrano in the Zambrano Out thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 hours ago, SpecialK said: BUT the way Herdman threatening his way to the top is just sickening with no men's international football experience not even as an assistant coach. Lots of people have talked about how Herdman is back stabbing, threatening, putting a gun to the head of the CSA etc. I'm curious what he should have done? It seems to me like the options were one of the following... 1. Just leave for the England job. Which leaves the women's program without him and the men's program with Zambrano, which agree with it or not the CSA preferred to have Herdman in that position over Zambrano. 2. Turn down the England job and wait out his contract with Canada and then leave in 2020. Players can ask to be transferred, but managers can't entertain other options? Managers sometimes get fired for having a run of 3 bad games (in particular in a World Cup/Olympics/etc.) but they have to see out their contract all the way regardless of what better options come along? 3. He could give Canada the option to make him a better offer before leaving for option number 1 above. Seems like this is a better option for both him and the CSA than number 1, because they have the choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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